You Westerners Are Deluded

reply to post by SplitInfinity


They economically much closer to China than the US however. Many of their raw materials they sell to China. Are we 'protecting' them from their biggest customer? Who else are we protecting them from? North Korea? Iran? Why do they need a large military when there is very little threat towards them?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Aborigines are native peoples of Australia, Dude. Your dismissal of them is only more evidence of your own delusions.

Aborigines are not, as you claim, "asian" (sic). Deny Ignorance!

You do realise the true native peoples of Australia were the Cape York pygmies, who were wiped out from the Aboriginals who migrated here from the Indo-sub continent. I never dismissed them, they are called Aboriginals and I am called Australian, different people who proudly share the same land.

reply to post by Mkoll

I am sorry but you will have to clarify your reply to me. Who is THEY and if they is Australia...they are only closer Geographically not economically. Split Infinity

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


Playing games of semantics doesn't make you any less ignorant. It matters not who named the continent Australia, your backpedaling just gets worse and worse. You asked me why I found it funny that you claimed to be WHITE as some sort of declaration of being a Westerner, and I've explained. I could care less if you accept that answer or not, and can only watch this train wreck for so long before I have to close my eyes and wince.

Remain ignorant for all I care, mate. Deluded is as deluded does.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

I noticed you have not replied to my post...too much REALITY for you? LOL!

Seriously...you being Aussie and I have been to Australia several times and enjoyed it and it's very interesting Women...that YOU...an AUSTRAILIAN...of all people...benefit directly from the United States Militaries Existance to a greater extent than most others.

For GOD SAKES...Australia has no Military to speak of with the exception of a small number of purchased F-18 Hornets...you have no defensive capabilities. You rely exclusively upon the grace of the United States Military and in particular the U.S. Navy.

Right now their are U.S. Carrier Groups with their Aegis Cruisers AMB's on constant watch to prevent a piece of S#!% North Korean ICBM TEST that could possibly hit Mainland Australia. These North Korean Missles are large and Heavy and if this missle that is supposed to land near Australia vears of course...a very real possibility since they always do...and even with a Dummy Warhead hits a Australian City or Community....the shear Kinetic Force of Energy obtained from an ICBM this Heavy being launched...temp. obtaining low orbit and re-entering Earths Atmosphere....thus F=MA...Force equals Mass x Acceleration...it could LEVEL SEVERAL CITY BLOCKS!

If it does vear off trajectory...the U.S. Space Command will send a signal to which ever Carrier Group is in the most favorable position...and an SM-3 ABM will be launched at it preferably while in temporary low orbit and BLOW IT UP!

The Australian Government has requested the U.S. to provide this protection and asked for a shoot down if necessary as is the proper thing to do for Australias People. I have talked to few Australians on this board that have said...We don't need protecting! Well...let me ask you this. If you refused U.S. Navy help...and this ICBM did hit a City and killed say a bunch of kids at a school....and you had the oppertunity to have avoided this by simply asking for help....what would you think of yourselves then?

If Australia was EVER threatened...the U.S. Military would defend her without question. Some statements you have made DISHONOR those Brave Military Men and Women both Australian and U.S. who fought together in WWII. I feel sorry for your ignorance. Split Infinity

Um sorry mate but I didn't see you had posted to me, its not because as you say (its too much reality).

I would disagree with your post though we already have Canada, the UK, and New Zealand all behind us as well as the Australian army and SASR. I wouldn't call that "no military capability" as that is quite sad to see coming from an American who can't even win a war with terrorists in Afghanistan.
Truth is America benefits from us they use our soldiers for their wars, use us as a military base, and so on.

The reason why those Australians said we don't need your protecting is because Australia and China have a very close relationship to the point where we allow their troops to train with ours!! We feel safe with the rise of China, while some may disagree I have to say how many wars has China gotten Australia involved in? None.

What statements did I make that dishonour Australian soldiers? It seems you are the one who is dishonouring by talking down the strength of our military.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Playing games of semantics doesn't make you any less ignorant. It matters not who named the continent Australia, your backpedaling just gets worse and worse. You asked me why I found it funny that you claimed to be WHITE as some sort of declaration of being a Westerner, and I've explained. I could care less if you accept that answer or not, and can only watch this train wreck for so long before I have to close my eyes and wince.

Remain ignorant for all I care, mate. Deluded is as deluded does.

Dude I have answered your questions, but then you just use my answers against me. Your not even on the thread topic for starters and your calling ME deluded and ignorant???

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

OH MAN! Canada, New Zealand and the U.K.? Are you trying to be funny?

First of all...Canada is the 51st State. Canada and the United States are literally one in the same and when Russian Military Threat Accessments come out they always say Threat Accessment NORTH AMERICA as the U.S. and Canada are both part of NORAD...and there are huge numbers of Joint Canadian/U.S. bases ALL OVER CANADA AND ALASKA.

An attack on Canada is the same as an attack on Mainland United States.

Secondly...N.Z. and U.K. are both protected by the U.S. We even suppy the U.K. with our Trident II D-5 Nuclear Mirved Sub Launched Missles. The most accurate and leathal Sub Launched Missles in the World. The U.K. is host to a Multitude of U.S. Military Bases as well as being protected under the USN. ABM Net.

If you put together all three of these countries capabilities without U.S. Bases or U.S. equipment...you would have....Australia. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


By they I meant Australia, and Australia's business relations with China are quite cozy. Anyways, I ask you to justify why American military forces and support are necessary to the wellbeing of Australia as opposed to being a senseless use of my tax money.

reply to post by Mkoll

A better question to ask would be...What would the state of relations be between Australia and China if there was not a Massive U.S. Military presence in the region?

China has just of late become much less of a threat despite what some may say. This lessoning of a threat is due to two influences.

1. The fact that China and the U.S. are the Worlds Largest Trade Partners.
2. Chinas realization that since the abilities of the U.S. Military make former plans such as an Invasion of Taiwan or Japan an impossibility...that China will gain a much greater role in sculpting world events by peaceful cooperation with the U.S. and it's allies. China has been a very big help with the reigning in of North Korea as well as helping to inform Iran it will not come to it's aid if Iran tries to Close the Strait of Hormuz or make a Nuclear weapon.

I can only see China and the U.S. strengthening ties between each other. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Mkoll

 

A better question to ask would be...What would the state of relations be between Australia and China if there was not a Massive U.S. Military presence in the region?

China has just of late become much less of a threat despite what some may say. This lessoning of a threat is due to two influences.

1. The fact that China and the U.S. are the Worlds Largest Trade Partners.
2. Chinas realization that since the abilities of the U.S. Military make former plans such as an Invasion of Taiwan or Japan an impossibility...that China will gain a much greater role in sculpting world events by peaceful cooperation with the U.S. and it's allies. China has been a very big help with the reigning in of North Korea as well as helping to inform Iran it will not come to it's aid if Iran tries to Close the Strait of Hormuz or make a Nuclear weapon.

I can only see China and the U.S. strengthening ties between each other. Split Infinity

Well to be honest I don't see China being that much different than what it currently is. The US hasn't really been in the Pacific/ Asia region since the Vietnam war (which America lost).
Why would China attack Australia? We already send them vast amounts of resources for free, and Chinese developers profit from massive infrastructure projects in Australia. If they attacked Australia they would be attacking their own interests.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

OH MAN! Canada, New Zealand and the U.K.? Are you trying to be funny?

First of all...Canada is the 51st State. Canada and the United States are literally one in the same and when Russian Military Threat Accessments come out they always say Threat Accessment NORTH AMERICA as the U.S. and Canada are both part of NORAD...and there are huge numbers of Joint Canadian/U.S. bases ALL OVER CANADA AND ALASKA.

An attack on Canada is the same as an attack on Mainland United States.

Secondly...N.Z. and U.K. are both protected by the U.S. We even suppy the U.K. with our Trident II D-5 Nuclear Mirved Sub Launched Missles. The most accurate and leathal Sub Launched Missles in the World. The U.K. is host to a Multitude of U.S. Military Bases as well as being protected under the USN. ABM Net.

If you put together all three of these countries capabilities without U.S. Bases or U.S. equipment...you would have....Australia. Split Infinity

While Canada and America are quite close, you can never be as close to them as Australia or the UK. Why? Because they are in the Commonwealth, America is not.
Just because you provide the UK with weapons doesn't mean you own them militarily speaking, you supplied the Muhjahadeen in Afghanistan to fight the Russians now they are fighting YOU with the weapons you gave them!!!
Australia is already in the process of constructing 12 new submarines as well as over 60 new fighter aircraft, my government is also looking at purchasing a air-fleet carrier.
But you still think the commonwealth has no military???
The Commonwealth armies are more highly trained than those of america, who only pumps out soldiers after completing a 2 week training camp. Thats why your casualties are so high in every war, because your soldiers are of poor quality.
The Commonwealth won victory in the Indonesian Confrontation, the Indo/Malaysian Crisis, and the Falklands war.
Whereas America loses Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and so on. Yet you call our military non-existant?

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

Let me be clear...this is not a knock on the Good People of the Australian Military...of which many I know because of my sometimes job...but...Australia does not have any way to protect itself should a major or even sub-major Military Power attack it.

Ausie Special Forces are Good...Very Good...but this does nothing from a Strategic Position. Right now...China would never attack Australia...but a few decades ago...they actually had a plan to do so. It was part of a plan to take back Hong Kong...Taiwan...invade New Guinea as well as Australia and eventually Japan.

This plan was crafted during the Korean War Era and was a Foolhardy Plan at that. Today...the U.S. Military Reigns Supreme. It is so far in advancement of any other country or groups of countries militaries that for the first time in World History...a single Countries Military has complete Worldwide Dominance without rival.

The Good News is that Military belongs to the U.S. and not Russia or China or any other country. We may make mistakes...but we have no desire to conquer. Split Infinity

Originally posted by BiggerPicture

the East is and has always been more noble and potent, already.

let us not infantalise billions of people- plenty of non "noble" actions have occurred out East, from Pot to Mao...........

East...West...does it really matter?

It doesnt matter what country your in, America is Soooooo intertwined with everyone else that when the dollar stops being the reserve curancy, your gonna feel the pinch.

Thats not conceit, thats truth. All because America was a corporation first, and a nation second.

You cannot blame the people as they had no hand in it, and as stated before, most of us didnt want it to begin with. Still, it is a crash to be felt around the world as the companies that control the west are global....not national.

Your OP is over simplified. Whether it's NWO or anything else...don't be deluded that if America or Europe falls, that everything else will remain standing. State of today's affairs is such that it's all interconnected. China, Russia, Australia, US, Europe...they are all part of the global market...when one crashes...all suffer.

Maybe you are not aware of it...but simple fact that whoever get's elected as US president, has a whole lot to do with many people in the world. Not just US citizens.
Thinking that you are somehow not touched by the collapse of the western economy, because you live down under, is a bit naive IMO.

Originally posted by jlm912
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

I don't want to argue, guy. Manufacturing isn't the only factor of an economy. When it comes to resources and labor power, our economy hasn't really lost anything. Losing manufacturing isn't a decline of economic quantity, it's a failure in economic structure.

The Industrial Revolution (i.e. the Manufacturing Power of Britain) IS what allowed the 'West' to outcompete everyone else

reply to post by OliverNorthsCat

The British had a fatal flaw in their concept of Empire...that flaw was the attempt to hold Land. It backfired on them in India and everywhere else they lay claim to. Many good things were imparted by the Brits but after WWII...just about every major Market Changing Tech. discovery was American.

The reality is the United States warned the Europeans and ESPECIALLY the Brits that the War Reperations forced on post WWI Germany were too severe and would lead to a resurgent nationalism. Europe and England scoffed at the U.S. and very shortly after came the rise of the Nazi's.

The current size and lethality of the U.S. Military is a direct result of the U.S. never wanting to be involved with another European War. Split Infinity

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


Mario on the fly has it nailed. There is no east or west anymore for all practical purposes. Maybe in the 70's, but not anymore. Those words pertain to geography only and that doesn't really matter anymore.

Besides which, you need to come out and say what you really mean. You keep saying America AND the west. You do know that Canada and South America are in the western hemisphere don't you? And Europe is, geographically speaking, in the east? You're America bashing. Plain and simple. The average American isn't going to disagree with you, you just have to get more real about it.

But again, none of that really matters because the wealthiest among us, no matter WHERE they are, are screwing everything over for the sake of a quick profit. Yes. it's all orchestrated. Orchestrated idiocy. Kind of like "random intent". A contradiction of terms that is doomed to fail and the proof is all around you. You just have to open your eyes.

Judging from the intent of your message I'm going to assume you're in the same financial boat as the majority of the world. You're a "commoner". You need to realize that we're all in this together, friend, and nit-picking who lives where isn't going to get you anywhere. (No pun intended, it just came out that way)

I starred and flagged you anyway because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

The reality is the United States warned the Europeans and ESPECIALLY the Brits that the War Reperations forced on post WWI Germany were too severe and would lead to a resurgent nationalism. Europe and England scoffed at the U.S. and very shortly after came the rise of the Nazi's.

Do you have a source for this?

Also the US HAS been involved with other European wars since then (Kosovo anyone?), your bulky military-no involvemet argument doesn't make any sense

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
After WWII...just about every major Market Changing Tech. discovery was American.

The reality is the United States warned the Europeans and ESPECIALLY the Brits that the War Reperations forced on post WWI Germany were too severe and would lead to a resurgent nationalism. Europe and England scoffed at the U.S. and very shortly after came the rise of the Nazi's.

And after the U.S. and Russia beat Germany, we took their best minds and brought them over here. Hence the market changing technology and the fact that we gave them asylum and overlooked their war crimes. You don't think we brought them over here because they were nice people do you?

I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, but I'm not going to overlook the facts just to try to help America look good. I may live in this country, but if the leaders and power structure want my respect they're going to have to earn it like anyone else. And between me, you and the fencepost, they're not doing a very good job.

They're glorified thieves. Always have been, always will be. They're going down and if you don't open your eyes, you're going with them.