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Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by Rosha
Well, I do believe that psychopath as a diagnosis has been thrown out of DSM-IV. But if we are being colloquial, I'm happy to go with the label. It wouldn't be the first time.
Now, if I may, I'll try to rephrase my question again?
If, as you say, you believe all of these to be labels conjured up by a shadowy cabal, then they should all be equally frightening for you, right? Which then begs the question, if they are all equally frightening for you, why is it that you were moved to start a thread about the nationalists with far fewer seats than the communists? Which in turn makes me wonder if you really are able to separate your emotions from your analyses, therefore making a somewhat hypocritical stance against nationalists and not communists?
Originally posted by Phantom traveller
I wasn't gonna say this,but the way the discussion is going you leave me no choise.
I VOTED FOR THEM.
The decision wasn't taken light-hearted,but after a long thought and research.
a)I decided that i wouldn't vote for any of the 5 parties that were in the parliament and are ALL responsible for the current situation.
b)I decided that i will not vote for the new political parties that were created 2 to 6 months before the elections and they were actually people who WERE in the parliament and left their parties and then had the nerve to go public and accuse their former parties for corruption(they forgot they were members of those parties).
c)I would not throw a white or an invalid vote,because according to a law,those votes go to the first political party and count as valid for them.
So it left me with a couple of dozen political parties.I read their proposals and their "manifestos" and to be honest most of them were a joke.
Golden Dawn has proposals that,at least in theory,will help the Greek people in their everyday proplems.
And to all of you that scream about the poor,poor illegal immigrants let me ask you how would you feel if you were afraid to walk in the center of the town you live and work,especially after dark?
How would you feel if an illegal immigrant had more "human rights" than you?Do you know that in Greece if a Greek citizent without health insurance go to a hospital,they ask him to pay,but they don't if he is an illegal immigrant?
As a side project i help homeless people and junkies anyway i can.You know what they tell me?
The homeless sleep with one eye open,because the illegals they steal and kill them for a jacket or a pair of shoes.
The immigrants who deal drugs they put in the drugs battery fluid .It makes the drug stronger but it kills the people who use them.
In the homeless centers the Greeks can't find a bed,because it's full of illegals.If you are a Greek you need a load of papers to be accepted,but not if you are an immigrant.
In the public kitchens for the poor and homeless,the Greeks never "get in time" and all the food has been consumed by the illegals.
This and a lot more is the reality we live in.
I know that political promises equal this:
but the "good" politicians that were in charge all those years,gave me no other choise.
Now all of you righteous people go on and call me a Nazi,a fascist or whatever you want.I don't care anymore.Putting labels to people,without living in their shoes is always easy.
Oh and if it takes a fascist regime to make this country livable again,i will take it.
Good Day
Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by Rosha
But, by addressing one and ignoring the other, the stance you are taking is necessarily hypocritical. The same way that Stalin was given a free pass compared to Hitler.
I am not sure why you feel I am trying to pick a fight with you, unless you are being emotionally reactive - I, however, do differentiate between a fight and a debate. Here, I am simply trying to debate.
Yes, we talk about what we know, but we must always expand our horizons, or our view is limited by fear. If I were part of a shadowy cabal, it would please me greatly to have placed so much hatred toward one political ideology, whilst not the other. It makes things so much easier. One so-called threat to distract from another.
One is able to talk positively about communism without being hammered, but one is not able to discuss national socialism with the same impunity. Curious, no?
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Rosha
Extremism isn't the only answer.
There are vast regions of possibilities inbetween.
Originally posted by Rosha
reply to post by JustEve
So the solution to 'bad immigration policies' is to landmine your countries borders and enslave an entire group of people in concentration camps because they arent like you?
Ok. Good luck with that.
If that is the case, (and by voting in a group who are more than happy to that you do imply you are prepared to consider it), then as far as I am concerned, Greece has already lost and there is nothing more to say.
I wish you both and all Greeks..very well..and will now close my participation in this thread as I can see that to continue to post..will only bring about that which I hoped to avoid..
cheers and best of luck.
Roedit on 9-5-2012 by Rosha because: typo
Originally posted by Rosha
reply to post by JustEve
So the solution to 'bad immigration policies' is to landmine your countries borders and enslave an entire group of people in concentration camps because they arent like you?
Ok. Good luck with that.
If that is the case, (by voting in a group who are more than happy to do that you are implying by proxy that you are prepared to consider this an option), then as far as I am concerned, Greece has already lost and there is nothing more to say.
Except maybe to say that I come from one of the most culturally diverse countries on earth. Right around the corner from me over 167 different nations are repesented in one suburb alone.
As a nation we have faced this issue of immigrants and injustices time and time again.
With each new wave comes new crimes, new unfairness, first it was the asians, last year it was the Arabs..now the Sudanese...etc etc..on it goes... and we have the same outcries....even some outright bursts of violence between groups and yet we as a society, have yet to elect a single nazi...or even consider them. The closest, a nationlaist woman called Pauline Hanson..was made a laughing stock and thrown out..what was good about her views was used to good affect to deal with teh social concern....what was dogmatic racism..was rejected ourtright - as all racist agendas imo, should be so reduced and rejected.
Love..means bearing with...and I am quietly proud of the majority of Australians who despite injury after injury, do do just that...love..even if they dont know they are. As time shows..most groups do integrate..and if we can hold together as one people of many..rather than clinging to false perceptions of elitism..if we can be compasisonate and stand firm enough in our standards and own views..things do get better.
There are always other solutions....other choices...always...they just take time and willingness.
I wish you both and all Greeks..very well..and will now close my participation in this thread as I can see that to continue to post..will only bring about that which I hoped to avoid..
cheers and best of luck.
Roedit on 9-5-2012 by Rosha because: added a bit ..and typos.
Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by Rosha
My point was: it is hypocritical to condemn mass murder by one group and not condemn it by another, because then you are not outraged at mass murder itself, but outraged about only one of the groups that have carried it out.
Now, you have pointed out to me that this is not hypocrisy but ignorance, I'm not sure that's any better. Even the jocular tone with which you just addressed Stalin's crimes in this post is somewhat telling. A "bad boy"? Really?
Maybe look into it a little more. A study is not complete with half the picture.
Originally posted by mayabong
I'm saying that there were no mass executions of Jews, in ovens or gas chambers or "whatever". There is simply no proof and any attempt at uncovering the truth is met with fierce resistance from people such as yourself. The 6 million number was tried after world war 1 and didn't stick so they did it after world war 2. The "holocaust" is an industry that brings in tons of money and is also used as a political tool. As pointed out before, prisoners came out of some camps claiming to have gas chambers, when even mainstream historians agree that those camps had no gas chambers.
I'm not agreeing with what Hitler did as far as rounding people up in camps, I also don't agree with the US rounding people up in camps. Facts are facts, and you can't use a speilberg movie or the repeated history channel episodes on nazi's to get them. I also take the Nuremburg trials with a grain of salt cause these people were probably tortured, just like the people on trial for 911 were tortured.
So the solution to 'bad immigration policies' is to landmine your countries borders and enslave an entire group of people in concentration camps because they arent like you?
Originally posted by stolisGreece
A lot of attacks every day, happens in Athens alone.
Immigrants (especially from countries in war are very aggressive (logical)), and they form groups with 2 to more members, seeking victims (lonely pedestrians and some times not lonely) and they attack using knifes.
Its logical because they are hungry, but for Greek people its o serious problem.
Some time ago, a father left his home born at 5 o clock in the morning, to go to the parking to take his car and transfer his wife to the hospital, because their child was to be born.
His was carrying a small bag, with a camera, and that made him a target.
Two immigrants, with a knife, killed him to steal the camera, so the child lost his father prior to enter our cruel world.
www.theapricity.com...
www.keeptalkinggreece.com...
You must understand also that Greek Golden Dawn appear not as a neo-Nazi party but more a nationalism party (an extreme nationalism party) .
And what they say is:
Immigrants must leave Greece (except these who have been for many years),
and Greek national property back to Greece and not to the bankers
Do you still believe is strange what happened?
Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
One is able to talk positively about communism without being hammered, but one is not able to discuss national socialism with the same impunity. Curious, no?