PROOF That OWS Has No Solutions…Only Hatred for America

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by b3l13v3

 

IT WAS OWS YOU SAW! THAT’S WHAT YOU SUPPORT! By supporting OWS you support what we ALL SAW!! Deal with it! It happens EVERY TIME!! You can’t keep saying “that wasn’t us” when CLEARLY it WAS OWS.

You do realize the same could be said about the Tea Party. A group that had PLENTY of racist images on their signs. Under your logic, it's safe to say the entire tea party is and was racist.

reply to post by hudsonhawk69

I can see where your cumming fron but really... Why judge the masses by the few? I am sometimes dissappointed by the behaviour of SOME OWS supporters but we arn't ALL like that.

I know all OWS'ers are not trouble makers or druggies. I'm just frustrated that OWS is so inconsistent, unorganized and for the most part out of control. There are plenty of bad apples in that bunch and YOU (you meaning the decent folks in OWS) are allowing your movement to be defined by these bottom feeders because you keep making excuses for them and downplaying their behavior. These aren't isolated incidents. This happens time and time again. What does that tell you??

Racism is based on such broard generalisations... Are you racist as well?

No, sir, I'm not. 

reply to post by wayz59

You do realize the same could be said about the Tea Party. A group that had PLENTY of racist images on their signs. Under your logic, it's safe to say the entire tea party is and was racist.

Nice try!

Those incidents were so isolated and have been denounced so many times that anybody with a brain knows that's not true. 

Besides, those few racists that poppied up at a TP rally were holding a sign not breaking the law. Do they not have a right to peacefully assemble just because you and I don't like their message? I think their behavior was much better than that of many Occupiers who seem to be present at every single event assaulting people and committing vandalism.  

reply to post by seabag


Well, I'll say this, you're post hit the nail on the head. These protesters believe in free speech as long as it's their version of free speech. The ones, giving the middle fingers, wow, really grown up and mature attude and a way to hammer home just how bright they really are.

reply to post by hudsonhawk69

I can see where your cumming fron but really... Why judge the masses by the few? I am sometimes dissappointed by the behaviour of SOME OWS supporters but we arn't ALL like that. Racism is based on such broard generalisations... Are you racist as well?

That's the name of the game. Well, only when you are smearing OWS. Cause when you point out the minority of racist idiots and violent fools within the teaparty demonstrations, well, THOSE people don't speak for the whole.

But see, that's where OWS won, and failed. They won by not having any "leaders" to corrupt, regardless of what teabag has to say about it. They lost because, in the sense that there is no direct leadership, anyone and everyone can be considered part of "ows" and then very intelligent, critical thinking type people will make sure that any idiot doing anything stupid represents the whole.

And then we come to this wonderful zone that reminds me of the Israel threads here at ATS.

You either support everything OWS does or you don't. There's no middle ground allowed, you can't say that "I support what THIS group of OWSer's is saying and doing, but I don't support the idiots over there". Teabag and crew, all three of them, won't allow it.

Get over it.

You needed video proof for this? Of course they hate America.

Its pretty obvious that they hate america
Kidding right? You realise OWS is a global phenomenon. Comprised of hundreds of different activist groups and hundreds of thousands of people in the US alone. Not to mention all across the planet right now.

Finding two or three videos of idiots doesn't prove anything, and im not an occupier.

I just love dissent. This system is screwed. Thats why i love dissent. Can't wait to see it come crashing down. I like it when people stick it to the elite whenever possible. I'm sure OWS could do things a little differently (like breaking the faces of black bloc when they start doing their thing). But, that should be the police's job, you know, protection people (lol, because we all know that happens).

The main reason to distrust OWS, is the fact our mass media and current government openly support and defend them. Not to mention those same two groups did all they could to attack and discredit the tea parties.

OWS = establishment puppets.

Originally posted by PvtHudson
The main reason to distrust OWS, is the fact our mass media and current government openly support and defend them. Not to mention those same two groups did all they could to attack and discredit the tea parties.

OWS = establishment puppets.

Uh..what?
You need to do some reading

Originally posted by AzureSky

Originally posted by PvtHudson
The main reason to distrust OWS, is the fact our mass media and current government openly support and defend them. Not to mention those same two groups did all they could to attack and discredit the tea parties.

OWS = establishment puppets.

Uh..what?
You need to do some reading

Are you suggesting the Democrats, Obama and the MSM don't openly support and promote OWS?





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I could post hundreds of links and clips to prove it if you like, but I'm at work so it'll have to be later. Really not sure how you could deny this.

It doesn't matter who supports what. You cannot control a leaderless mass. It just doesn't happen. These are new developments unlike last year where OWS was ignore completely.

I don't deny it. I just don't care.
Its logic.

They already tried ignoring them, time to try embracing them without actually doing a single thing. Meh.

So because I share the same, ultimate sentiment that OWS does, I am just like them and everything their individual members do? Because I think the 1% has taken all the wealth for themselves, I therefore think it's okay to bash windows and assault people. Because I think the government, whether it be headed by Republicans or Democrats, is taking my rights away, I must be just like the people in your videos?

I guess there's no arguing with you. You said you won't accept any arguments that don't already go along with your perception of things. I guess it's a good thing you put this in the Rant forum, otherwise, I would be asking you what is the point of this post if you already have your mind made up and won't accept a different view.

reply to post by PvtHudson


I think you and others are making the mistake of equating the sentiment of OWS with the movement itself. Just because I agree with the sentiment, doesn't mean I support the movement. In fact, I think the movement is completely ineffective simply because it isn't unified and it has no clear end-goal. OWS can't control who wants to become part of the movement under the "OWS" label anymore than Anonymous can control which hacker wants to claim to be part of Anonymous. That is the whole point of these movements.

The first video you included, for example, doesn't show Obama supporting the movement. It shows him saying he understands where they are coming from because a lot of people, who don't participate in OWS events, agree with the sentiments of OWS. On that note, I think Obama is a lying SOB and is just perpetrating his bleeding-heart liberal facade when he is just like all the other cronies he put into his own cabinet. The same ones he's villifying in his response to that reporter.

I hate to break it to the op but wall street and the corrupt banks and the politicians they bought is NOT AMERICA.

And you think it is then all you know about America what the crooked politicians you follow tell you.

Bwhahahaaaa

Originally posted by buster2010
I hate to break it to the op but wall street and the corrupt banks and the politicians they bought is NOT AMERICA.

And you think it is then all you know about America what the crooked politicians you follow tell you.

dont stop there!!!

tell more of the real hoax that is in the shadows about to pounce

where in does the true lie lay?

Well

Corrupt politiicans considering as Government gets bigger lobbying increases then one day one fine upstanding congressman figured out they could get paid their terms in office paid for free by writing laws.

Lobbying is legalized extortion for campaign finance shrink the size and power of Government lobbying decreases because there is no need for it.

Same liberal tune that 100 year old tune kill Wall Street it really wouid be nice to hear at least 1 original thought from that lot of "patriots".

I would truly love to see someone present a cogent (even semi-cogent) argument supporting the Occupy Wall Street protestors physically shredding the oppositions right to freedom of speech.

Where is the person that will defend the notion that the two people holding up the sign that disagrees with OWS sentiment deserved to be assaulted and robbed of their Constitutional right to freedom of speech?

Where is the person that will say the couple somehow, despite standing together silent but united in peaceful solidarity, provoked that mass of protestors?

Where is the person that will say that OWS was peaceful when they attacked and destroyed the corporeal expression of that couples right to freedom of speech?

Where is the person that will say the chants of the crowd, despite being the same chants we've seen recorded across the country, do not signal the crowd having an affiliation with OWS?

I would really like to engage in a point counterpoint debate with this person; that is to say if this person ever comes forward.

reply to post by neo96


I'm not exactly sure what your post was trying to convey exactly because it was very hard to read without punctuation other than sentence-enders. All I did take note on was that you implied that, because I am liberal, I am not a patriot.

I don't care what political orientation you are. I would never imply you are unpatriotic just because you have a different political view from me. I find it highly offensive when you and others constantly question my patriotism for following a different ideology.

But I digress, what do you think lobbying has to do with OWS and liberals? I am completely against the lobbying practices we see today and believe it to be destructive to the way our Constitutional Government should be ran.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by neo96

 

And that one guy on the tape I posted came right out and said, the unions need to take over all businesses and give ownership to the workers!!! So they can trust the unions?

Nazi much?

You are confused, if the ownership is given to the workers, what has government got to do with it?

Worker ownership is worker ownership, not government ownership.

Unions are the only way for workers to organize, and have any power against the state. If it wasn't for unions you wouldn't have weekends, eight-hour days, safe working conditions, over-time pay, pensions, vacations etc., etc.

Nazi? The Nazis, fascism, allowed private ownership, and permanent nationalism (government ownership).

Worker ownership is socialism, and socialism requires no government. But of course your hate blinds you to realising the truth.

"Anarchism is stateless socialism", Mikhail Bakunin.

No wonder your head hurts.