Chemtrail Spraying Caught in Action!!

reply to post by luxordelphi


First:

......are experimental fuel additives being cleared through you and wikipedia now? Explain yourself.

Please show some sources to support any experimental fuel additives. I know of some. Can you name any?

And, second:

Do you honestly think that anything "experimental" would just be "pumped" into every airliner out there?

No, that is not how "experiments" work.

Try looking up the facts about how any...and I mean ANY proposed fuel additive is tested, tested, tested....and how the experiments and actual trials and further in-flight testing....very rigorous in-flight testing is carried out....well before it is ever deemed safe enough to introduce into normal, and regular use.

reply to post by ProudBird


You didn't answer my question. Does the loop go through you and wikipedia?

Try looking up the facts about how any...and I mean ANY proposed fuel additive is tested, tested, tested....and how the experiments and actual trials and further in-flight testing....very rigorous in-flight testing is carried out....well before it is ever deemed safe enough to introduce into normal, and regular use.

I read Gaul's link - surprise surprise. So yes, thanks to Gaul, I know something about it and I'm starting to suspect that with the little bit I know it's still quite a bit more than you. So explain yourself - how did you get to be an expert on experimental fuel additives?

Originally posted by jpzaino
I was driving to work this morning and I saw a plane making a chemtrail in a long figure 8 pattern. I always look at the sky on the ride to work and the whole sky was clear except for this huge figure 8 spray pattern. You can see the plane is still in the process of making his chemtrail spraying rounds.
If you think this is a commercial or private airliner driving in a figure 8 your crazy! .
BTW I am filming this Between the city of Naples and the city of Immokalee in Florida. Far Far away from any commercial airport. There is something big happening, there are thousands of people reporting these chemtrails in their sky's and they are very different looking from normal fuel dumping contrails. Do the research, watch the sky and you will see that weird looking straight skinny line that looks like a cloud but is defiantly NOT especially when you see a plane making it. Also may I add a contrail doesn't linger as long as a Chemtrail does..Keep that in mind!
Just take a look at the video. It's a little shaky and crooked but i was trying to drive people! Yeesh~!

It's been pointed out already, but worth visually illustrating - this is nothing like a figure 8. It is in fact exactly like a classic "racetrack" pattern that all aircraft use when in a hold.

Here I've stitched together a few frames of the video so you can see the whole pattern. The plane entered in the top left, and then angled slightly, and then went into a 180 degree turn (clockwise from this perspective).


So there's nothing at all mysterious about this contrail. It's just a cool sighting, not something you see every day.

There are already studies being done on the health effects of alumina nano-particles in jet fuel.

Studies on the health effects on the lungs and the skin. Results = toxic

www.chem.utah.edu...

www.dtic.mil...

The addition of AL NPs to JP-8 may pose a unique dermal hazard to aircraft maintenance workers. There is no published data on AL NP toxicity effects on human skin. This research used in vitro techniques to determine the cytotoxicity of AL NPs, sized 50, 80, and 120 nm, on human keratinocytes. AL NPs at concentrations 10 – 10,000 μg/mL and 24-hour exposure did not have a negative effect on cell viability, as assessed by membrane leakage, metabolic function, and reactive oxygen species generation.

pubs.acs.org...

On the basis of their uses in jet fuels and munitions, the most likely scenario for aluminum nanoparticle (NP) exposure is inhalation.

NPs have been shown to be capable of penetrating deep into the alveolar regions of the lung, and therefore human alveolar macrophages (U937) with human type II pneumocytes (A549) were cultured together and exposed to NPs dispersed in an artificial lung surfactant to more accurately mimic the lung microenvironment.

Two types of NPs were evaluated: aluminum (Al) and aluminum oxide (Al2O3). Following a 24-h incubation, cell viability was assessed using MTS, and mild toxicity was observed

Tracer Chaff

nanopatentsandinnovations.blogspot.com...

A new study in the Journal of Renewable and Sustainable Energy shows that the addition of alumina nanoparticles can improve the performance and combustion of biodiesel, while producing fewer emissions.

reply to post by IpsissimusMagus


Once again, those are all studies!

I mean....read beyond the headlines, please.

(eta)...I realize how hard some people want to draw a "conspiracy" target around virtually everything, today.....but, well......to paraphrase a line from "Forrest Gump":

"Paranoia is as paranoia does."

If, ever there were some real solid concrete evidence of any actual 'conspiracy'? Wouldn't you think that the thousands and thousands of dedicated aviation professionals in the world would immediately grasp it?

You know....there's an old, old saying in the airline industry....a rumor can get half-way 'round the system ('system' refers to the airline's route structure) before the truth finishes its coffee.

Yeah.....there are MANY variations on that old 'adage'.....it has been repeated so many times, and embellished, and improved (or not)....the POINT is:

There are NO secrets in any airline.....except those that might rise to the level of executive administration, in terms of competitive decisions....in business practices and strategic planning (and even those are always open to stealing, those secrets...).....but, down on the "line", with the regular employees....hundreds of thousands of them....there are NO secrets....lots of rumors, but no secrets.

Just ask anyone who has ever worked in the industry.

Short Wave Climate Engineering - SWCE

Summary


Full PDF

Indeed, a one-year global field-test involving a constant negative radiative forcing of 0.5 W/m 2 (estimated to yield of ΔTS = 0.25ºC) could generate a detectable effect. However, Crutzen’s (2006) 94 estimate of 1 TgS inducing 0.75 W/m 2 implies a lofting sufficient to maintain a stratospheric loading of ~0.7 TgS for one year (equating to an steadystate injection rate of about 1 tonne per minute) would be required to achieve this radiative impact.

Refer to page 41 for detailed timeline

Figure 5 Outline of a comprehensive research program for stratospheric aerosol SWCE Core research questions (top) and rough timeline (bottom) for a decade-long comprehensive research program to maximally reduce uncertainties associated with stratospheric aerosol SWCE.

reply to post by ProudBird

If, ever there were some real solid concrete evidence of any actual 'conspiracy'? Wouldn't you think that the thousands and thousands of dedicated aviation professionals in the world would immediately grasp it?

No, I suspect they'd probably be hard headed blind dummies in denial.

It's been shown before that the people closest to a problem are usually the most oblivious to it and/or apt to be in denial of it.

reply to post by IpsissimusMagus


Look.....SO FAR, there has been NO evidence to support this 'whacka-doodle' notion of "chemtrails".

None.

Bring some solid, verifiable evidence, please.

IF "chemtrails" are real, then......TEST the fuel, find the fuel suppliers (it's not difficult!).

Get OFF of the Internet 'chat' rooms and silly "chemtrail CT" sites and all the rest, and go get involved, personally!

Or else....wallow in impotent faux (and ignorant) "outrage"......much like the fictional (as in "chemtrails") character, "Don Quixote".

YOUR choice.

reply to post by ProudBird

There are NO secrets in any airline.....except those that might rise to the level of executive administration, in terms of competitive decisions

As far as pilots knowing everything and having a say...when it comes to the military (and I'd say chemtrailing is a military operation), I don't think that's so true. But judge for yourself:

Air Force pilots reluctant to fly F-22 Raptors citing ongoing oxygen problems

The first Raptors were deployed in 2005, but through two ongoing conflicts the Air Force’s 195 F-22’s have not significantly been utilized for missions. Now, a group of top pilots are refusing their assignments to fly Raptors, citing problems with the F-22’s oxygen system during flight.

The penalties for refusing flight orders in the Air Force are severe and can include discharge. Two hundred pilots are qualified to fly the F-22, which are stationed at seven bases across the country, but the Air Force has declined to disclose the exact number of pilots refusing to fly.

Should pilots be able to refuse to fly an aircraft they feel is unsafe?

On that last question you could extrapolate and go on to refusing to carry unsafe or harmful payload etc. etc. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. And it's not open. It's classified.

Also, the one study that IpsissimusMagus quoted is from 2008 and yet even then they are saying that the USE of aluminum nano has already outstripped knowledge of its' health effects:

Commercial and military interest, research, and application of nanotechnology continue to grow, far outpacing studies into its risk to human health and the environment. Department of Defense interest in nanotechnology stems from its application in electronics, munitions, fuels, electrochemical power, and surface coatings. Aluminum nanoparticles (AL NPs) have a role in many of these applications, but there have been few toxicological studies conducted to assess the potential risk to human health.

This seems to be an ongoing problem - trying secret stuff first and then backtracking to try to find out why it's affecting health. And that's not even getting into the current day state of the art skewing studies to fit the demands of those paying for them.

reply to post by IpsissimusMagus


AGAIN!

You continue (not just "you") to cite reports as "proof" of [GASP!!!] Geoengineering in Progress!!!!

When, in fact, each and every...and I mean EVERY time, they are merely long-winded dull-reading, sometimes very scientific treatises on the POTENTIAL of climate engineering, or, "geoengineering", or whatever the next new "nom du jour" will be!

These do NOT indicate an on-going, currently active, wide-spread "already-in-place" operation!

How difficult is this to comprehend?

Such endeavors would be, (A)....overt, and obvious (because of the costs involved), and (B) ....multi-national in scope.....since, IF the "point" were to 'mitigate' Solar energy reaching the Earth's surface.....well, just "doing it" over the continental USA would be rather pointless, wouldn't you agree?

Just THINK! Think logically, and rationally, for at least two minutes.

reply to post by luxordelphi

As far as pilots knowing everything and having a say...when it comes to the military (and I'd say chemtrailing is a military operation), I don't think that's so true. But judge for yourself:

It seems someone is listening to those pilots or else they would have been flying them.But I guess you missed this part....

The first Raptors were deployed in 2005, but through two ongoing conflicts the Air Force’s 195 F-22’s have not significantly been utilized for missions. Now, a group of top pilots are refusing their assignments to fly Raptors, citing problems with the F-22’s oxygen system during flight.

A lack of oxygen can lead to hypoxia, which can cause dizziness, blackouts and fatal crashes. The ongoing problem prompted General William M. Fraser III of Air Combat Command to ground the entire fleet of Raptors for several months in 2011.

www.scpr.org...

BTW how do you think these problems were found?

I would have to guess the pilots, but as you think nobody listens to the pilots since they do not know anything about their planes, these problems must have told on themselves....

reply to post by luxordelphi


Have you EVER talked to any real pilots, in person, face-to-face?:

As far as pilots knowing everything and having a say...when it comes to the military (and I'd say chemtrailing is a military operation), I don't think that's so true. But judge for yourself:

....or, is this all that comes from your imagination?

Be honest!

Please!

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

As far as pilots knowing everything and having a say...when it comes to the military (and I'd say chemtrailing is a military operation), I don't think that's so true. But judge for yourself:

It seems someone is listening to those pilots or else they would have been flying them.But I guess you missed this part....

The first Raptors were deployed in 2005, but through two ongoing conflicts the Air Force’s 195 F-22’s have not significantly been utilized for missions. Now, a group of top pilots are refusing their assignments to fly Raptors, citing problems with the F-22’s oxygen system during flight.

A lack of oxygen can lead to hypoxia, which can cause dizziness, blackouts and fatal crashes. The ongoing problem prompted General William M. Fraser III of Air Combat Command to ground the entire fleet of Raptors for several months in 2011.

www.scpr.org...

BTW how do you think these problems were found?

I would have to guess the pilots, but as you think nobody listens to the pilots since they do not know anything about their planes, these problems must have told on themselves....

Did you leave the part about a pilot dieing out on purpose?
I think the point was sometimes people die before the truth comes out or is dealt with.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

But I guess you missed this part....

I don't miss any parts. It seems to me, and it has seemed that way for awhile, that you exist in a separate reality from me. In light of this epiphany or, rather, ongoing realization, I wish you a:

~separate peace~

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by IpsissimusMagus

 

Look.....SO FAR, there has been NO evidence to support this 'whacka-doodle' notion of "chemtrails".

None.

Well actually there is. Lots

It's just that chemtail is another name for what everyone else has been calling contrails

What you mean is, there is no evidence that there is any difference whatsoever.

There is also no evidence whatsoever that if spraying of any kind at any altitude for any reason were taking place it woud be in any way visible, let alone look exactly like normal contrails. The inconvenient truth which the chemtrailers refuse to acknowledge.

reply to post by AndyMayhew

Well actually there is. Lots

Yeah?

Indeed?

Still waiting. I mean, actual, verifiable EVIDENCE...not, circumstantial "they are planning this or that"....REAL, evidence of it happening NOW!!!

There is none. Face it.

Try to learn the science, from a scientific and educational and experience stand-point. Will help a great deal.

reply to post by ProudBird

Have you EVER talked to any real pilots, in person, face-to-face?

You incorrigible rogue - always phishing for personal information. I was asking you to judge, for yourself, based on the news story I linked. In a world where airlines have contracts with the government, what is it that you think happens when a pilot says wth or no, I'm not willing to fly this or dump this or spray this or look the other way on this?

reply to post by Uncinus


were 200miles away from Miami and the guy was making a pattern.

reply to post by TheOriginalJZ

were 200miles away from Miami and the guy was making a pattern.

Doesn't matter.

Don't know, at this point, what flight it was, or its destination...nor, its take-off point.

Doesn't matter...it was IN-FLIGHT!

Oh, and.....here's how it works, for a flight that is heading to a specific destination.....the average point of the descent to begin or, "Top Of Descent" (TOP) is roughly about 100 Nautical Miles ('NM') from destination. This is because, at a "flight idle" power setting in modern jets, there is a certain angle of the 'glide'.

(35,000 feet divided by 3 = 11667....and, a typical rate of descent, at flight idle, is about 2,500 feet per minute....just do the math)


We use the "3 to 1" ratio to judge the normal descent rate. For every 1.000 feet of vertical descent, we assume about 3 NM of horizontal travel.

Just, figure it out......those who can do the math, in their heads, move to the front of the "class"...

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by AndyMayhew

 

Well actually there is. Lots

Yeah?

Indeed?

Still waiting. I mean, actual, verifiable EVIDENCE...not, circumstantial "they are planning this or that"....REAL, evidence of it happening NOW!!!

There is none. Face it.

Try to learn the science, from a scientific and educational and experience stand-point. Will help a great deal.

We are still waiting for you to provide evidence,
you are a pilot you could gather samples and prove us all wrong.
But for some reason it is more fun for you to try and put people in a lower social class and calling names,
and treating us like school children.

So back up your brag fly up there and prove us wrong.
You should be able to get your local news station to help fund it,
since you also promote meteorologists and their believes in most posts, and they agree with you.
So you have more resources to prove your claims, then the common man that looks up, that you like to point out their lack of education when you bring no facts such as your own testing from the field.


Or are you on some kind of undercover operation,
trying to entrap some chemtrailer into overreacting
with the prodding and pushing?