Do You Really Need Someone To Tell You About The Lines In The Sky?

reply to post by kn0wh0w


Yes but all you have done is weaken your own argument, you look like a child trying to discredit this poster before they even show up in the post.

Are your points so weak that you have to proactively discredit someone before they have even responded...

It reminds me of the people that get mad at Phage for Contributing to intelligent conversation...

It weakens you buddy not them when you call them out like that.

What does any of this have to do with geo-engineering? This is just another silly chemtrail thread. Geo-engineering is too serious a topic to be hijacked by people who are afraid of clouds.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


I think I recall this has been explained countless times already.

Chaff is, apparently, very poorly understood by laypeople. As has been demonstrated. Wanna see the visual appearance of chaff, as it's being deployed?? (Oh, BTW.....chaff that has been introduced into the air is not similar to what we know, and recognize, as contrails.....and is it disperses, becomes less and less visible quickly....except to radar......and, chaff is not deployed by airliners, not at altitudes where airliners cruise.....above 28,000 feet!!!





Do THOSE examples look anything at all like what many ill-informed people call "chemtrails"??


How about this one?:




Chaff, and associated flares, are designed as a defensive measure....the goal is to confuse an enemy missile, and protect your own aircraft.

Is this hard to understand?

If so, here is some more reading, with actual facts.


And, LINK to Google Images page.

reply to post by FissionSurplus

The military ADMITS spraying chaff. Chaff has been used as early as World War 2, to confuse radar.

I repeat, they admit spraying it. The Government Accounting Office (GAO) has a detailed description of how much chaff is purchased and used, and by which branches of the military.

I have detailed this before in an earlier thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Included are weather reporters on television showing chaff on Doppler radar, and an admission of how much chaff is used per year and the cost from the GAO.

Chaff currently is aluminum coated fiberglass fibers, which should explain the skyrocketing rates of Alzheimer's (aluminum is thought of as the culprit), and lung cancer resembling mesothelioma. Mesothelioma can be caused by any tiny inhaled fibers that stick in the lungs and burrow in.

Chaff is not condensation, it behaves differently. Please read my thread link before telling me that I am imagining things.

Does chaff spread out, attracting moisture in the air and eventually turning into cirrus clouds? How is chaff dispersed? Through jet engines?

reply to post by benrl


You're right in saying i weakened my own argument.

But i've had previous discussions with him and we didn't get very far.

But i'll try to not call other members out in the future because like i said he certainly raises valud points and knows his stuff regarding planes and aviation.

I just don't always agree.

reply to post by ProudBird


So you're OK with the military spraying aluminum and other particles in the air you breath, over the country you live?

Did they ask us if chaff was OK to use up above?
Are we at war right now to the point where our military "must" spray over our own countries?

Who is targeting us to need chaff so often?

If say 1000 of us object to chaff spraying, are they going to stop?
I doubt it.

The premise of this thread is rather flawed. If I go outside and take a few pictures of the sky with no chemtrails now, does that prove that there is no such thing as chemtrails?

I'm pretty sure no one who prescribes to the chemtrail theory will be agreeing with that, would they. A little bit of logic goes a long way...

reply to post by JibbyJedi


They aren't "spraying it over us"!!

Except, as noted in the one video, at the occasional Air Show.

Otherwise, the training activities involving chaff and flare deployment are conducted in Military Operations Areas, the types of remote areas away from the public, and public residences and communities.

Perhaps if one takes time to actually learn about the facts surrounding th use of chaff?

Apparently, there is this misconception that it is "sprayed" willy-nilly just about anywhere, and "everywhere"!

OH, and: What about the videos?? Compare those to the so-called "chemtrail" videos.....which, each and every dam time show nothing but ordinary contrails!! There are distinct and obvious differences, for ALL seeing eyes to see.

S&F x' 100,000,000 if I could.

They were heavily spraying last yr in grt falls mt. They're still spraying...I just haven't seen it as heavy as it was last yr. during flood season.
I made a vid and it's wild all the chem- tankers I caught...it wasn't just one. And...I managed to catch a chem and con at the exact same time...
Flying side by side

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by tracehd1


I'm confused.....you say you saw them flying "side-by-side", and that you:

I made a vid

Then the link back to another of your posts, and that crap "What In The World Are They Spraying" load of nonsense "movie"??

AS TO that piece of junk and MISinformation, here is the definitive thread de-bunking it:

Are They Spraying Anything?


Now, back to "side-by-side". Two normal passenger jets, each at a different altitude, but on the same course and heading, would appear (from the ground) to be essentially "side-by-side"...the navigation systems are NOT so accurate that they would be perfectly aligned one above the other....not "every" time. Each independent Nav System (even using GPS) will still be off for a fraction of mile, compared to each other.

Here is a video of two airplanes, in flight on same course, from the perspective as viewed from the cockpit of one of them:




If you had been all the down at Sea Level, on the Atlantic Ocean, and saw those two jets....in this case they would be almost directly one over the other.....the GPS can be very accurate, but also, have the slight variances I mentioned.

Here, again:



And, here:



Getting the picture, yet?

Here's just one more (THIS time from inside the cabin, by a passenger):

reply to post by FissionSurplus


Well next time you see a "chemtrail" go and look at the Doppler radar for where you are and take note of what you see.

Do it 10 times if you must but you will never see a "chemtrail" show up on a Doppler radar.

Now ask yourself why a "chemtrail" won't show up on Doppler radar, yet chaff will.

The answer will astound you and maybe, just maybe you'll stop spreading disinformation about chaff and "chemrails"

reply to post by YourDreamsCanceled

Sooo totally cool!! And, ahhh, the nostalgia. Pictures/videos/postcards really do say it all. And, no, I don't need anybody to tell me about the lines in the sky but I'm glad you did. Awesome thread! Thanks for your efforts.

I would like to put up a picture in defence of the OPs thread, this picture was taken in Los Angeles Ca on 4/18/2012, what this shows is at least 2 planes making Chemtrails/Contrails that are curved.

I always see people making comments that these are just planes on their regular flights, so how is it that they are doing these "curved" lines in the sky, and this was two or more planes flying in pretty close formation.

People really need to start thinking outside the box, this is not NORMAL by any means.

I hope the pic is visible

reply to post by FutureThinker


Here's your pic:



Hit quote to see what I've posted to make it work.

As to why they're doing that, the planes are probably in a holding pattern, waiting to land.

Originally posted by FutureThinker
I always see people making comments that these are just planes on their regular flights, so how is it that they are doing these "curved" lines in the sky, and this was two or more planes flying in pretty close formation.

People really need to start thinking outside the box, this is not NORMAL by any means.

Have you ever heard of a holding pattern? This is when planes are required to wait before they can land, usually due to heavy air traffic or sometimes weather delays. This requires them to fly a circuit (commonly a racetrack pattern) to keep them in the vicinity of the airport while they wait to descend and land. The fact that this was seen by a very busy airport would indicate that this is most likely what those planes are doing.

And yes, this is quite normal, even though it is generally avoided when possible, but it still happens. How's that for thinking outside the box

Originally posted by ArrowsNV

Originally posted by kn0wh0w
reply to post by benrl

 

I always wonder why posters feel the need to call out other people like that...

You'll find out when he drops by.

Beaten in a discussion?

Not really because there really is no discussing this topic.

You either believe or you don't.

Nobody on either side will convince eachother.

Also wasn't my intention to call him out, if anybody feels offended i hereby apologize.

But it's just a pattern i noticed, if someone posts a thread about chemtrails (or a related topic) said member joins the thread to tell all of the members how silly they are for (remotely) believing in the chemtrail conspiracy.

Not saying he doesn't have valid points...

If it wasn't your intention to call him out then why did you?

And last time I checked, debate is why we have forums. It would be rather boring if everyone simply agreed with each other...

edit on 5/2/2012 by ArrowsNV because: (no reason given)

I think he's insinuating that Proudbird is a chemtroll, and rightly so. Why do you care? Thanks for the vids OP but it really is such an agenda driven topic. No one is convinced by anything the other side ever provides. I have discussed chemcrap with friends and acquaintances over the years and I have never met anyone who cares enough to spend any amount of time trying to prove it's harmless because they think it doesn't really affect them. Ask yourself why people spend so much effort and time, dedicated to the occupation of debunking chemtrails and it becomes apparent. If you think something is bunk, you leave it to the loonies to blather about. No? Getting involved in a pointless debate that you don't even care about seems like such a stupid waste of time. But for some it's evidently time well spent.

Oh come on, more of this chemtrail baloney....
we all know there were no airplanes at all back then.

Originally posted by Curious and Concerned

Originally posted by FutureThinker
I always see people making comments that these are just planes on their regular flights, so how is it that they are doing these "curved" lines in the sky, and this was two or more planes flying in pretty close formation.

People really need to start thinking outside the box, this is not NORMAL by any means.

Have you ever heard of a holding pattern?

And yes, this is quite normal, even though it is generally avoided when possible, but it still happens. How's that for thinking outside the box

That explains why I've seen them curve no where remotely near an airport...right?

reply to post by YourDreamsCanceled

Hi YourDreamsCanceled

(forgive my bad English for … obvious reasons)

Here is what I have to say (or better what I noticed….)

Until 2009 we had little to none Chemtrails in the sky, maybe there were some but you had no reason to notice them.
Saturday night October 3, 2009, just before the elections (Sunday 4 october 2009) I was out in Athens and there was full moon. Then I noticed them…
The sky was full of lines in criss-cross patterns, and new were forming continuously.

There were visible because of the full moon, if there was no moon I believe you could see next to nothing.

After the elections we had the financial crisis. Now the strange thing is that before or at the time of major events we had Chemtrails in the sky.
-Strikes and riots -> Chemtrails formed in the sky
-New Announcements every now and then about negative changes to salaries, more taxation -> -> Chemtrails formed in the sky
And finally…
May 6. 2012 there going to be elections in Greece.
Guess what?
Again Chemtrails in the sky, and to be more specific, Sunday April 22, in about 17:00 in the evening, chemtrails start to form. Until that time the sky was clear blue
They continued Monday all day, morning to night, and specifically in the afternoon there were clouds formed from the spreading of the Chemtrails.
The strange thing is that a lot of people I heard of (and me of course) felt dizzy, like we were exhausted, like there was a lot of Humidity in the air, like zombies as someone stated. This bad feeling lasted from Monday evening to Tuesday evening were the Chemtrails clouds disappear.

One interesting thing is when Chemtrails happen, the airplanes that creates them are all over the sky, there is no visible area in the sky with no lines, something of course that normally doesn’t happen. Normally, we see airplanes in specific tracks, leaving contrails but nothing near to the massive filling of the sky from edge to edge.
Its like a giant hand is drawing the sky with big thick persistent grey lines everywhere, no space left wihout “paint”

I can hear birds outside my window right now. I don't remember ever hearing birds as a child. Birds only started appearing a few years ago. What devious plot is behind them? Are they responsible for the debt crisis?