How much longer do you predict Christianity will be taken seriously?

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by ofNight

 

It'll be strictly survival, no spiritual.

A strictly survivalist culture would be much more spiritually tuned in than a culture that doesn't have to kill their own food.

Every life form is born with survival mechanisms. Some people just prefer to ignore them, but to do that is to ignore what you are. Ignore-ance is one of the greatest barriers to "spiritual" awareness.

edit on 1-5-2012 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)

Wrong. Dead wrong. Sorry, but a strictly survivalist culture will have no qualms over killing a man for a scrap of bread or a cup of gasoline. All hope, all appreciation for life, all unity in purpose, will be gone...and in its place, an empire of tyranny and ignorance will be erected.

Would they? Do cats kill other cats for food, or do they hunt other life forms? Even if they did, you gotta do what you gotta do. If you and I were stranded on a deserted island with no life in sight except us and we had 1 day to live without food, but it would take us 2 days to get off the island, i would kill you and I would eat you. Does that make me spiritually immoral?

Survival mechanisms are for life-forms unable to grasp anything beyond the necessities of life. We are better than that, stronger than that. See, survivalism is all about taking, but spiritualism is all about sharing.

Survivalism isn't all about taking. Its about the propogation of your species. We are already survivalists, my only point is that we choose to believe since we aren't killing them ourselves, then we are somehow more spiritually advanced and have better morals.

Do you have any understanding at all of how the human mind works in a survivalist world?

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Do you?

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

You do realize I either cook over a campfire or eat it raw, right?

So no, I am not blind.

This is survivalism.

But survivalism takes our worst qualities and makes them mandatory, just to stay alive. What part of this is hard to understand?

Survivalism really just takes our bad qualities and makes them not bad, just necessary for life. Survival is life. To be a survivor is to be a liver (not the organ). To be a liver is to be spiritual.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Starchild23
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You do realize I either cook over a campfire or eat it raw, right?

So no, I am not blind.

This is survivalism.

But survivalism takes our worst qualities and makes them mandatory, just to stay alive. What part of this is hard to understand?

Survivalism really just takes our bad qualities and makes them not bad, just necessary for life. Survival is life. To be a survivor is to be a liver (not the organ). To be a liver is to be spiritual.

edit on 1-5-2012 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)

No. If I were a survivalist, I would make it a priority to raid other camp sites, kill the campers and prepare their bodily meat for my consumption. I would make clothes from their skin and wear their bones as jewelry, or use them as tools. I would take an innocent man and reduce him to my rug, my evening stew, and a set of weapons with which to kill the brother that escaped me.

This is what one would do in a survivalist world. All morals go out the window. It's kill or be killed.

How do bad qualities become not bad? The moment bad qualities become necessary for life, is the moment our life becomes unnecessary. And that's exactly how any survivalist will see it when they stumble upon YOUR camp. Survival is NOT spiritual. Understanding is spiritual. Survival is materialistic, because it revolves around the preservation of your VESSEL, and not your SOUL.

You have no understanding at all. *shakes head sadly*

our understanding of the Christ's message will be restored to what originally was. He will no longer be seen as a blood thirsty tyrant but rather someone who came to show us that god was within us and not in fulfilment of any law, social expectation, desire or in a building run by priest. but that each individual is his own priest. and that through renunciation (sacrifice) and baptism(immersion in the spirit/meditation) one can overcome his ego nature and be reborn but from the spirit and not merely flesh n bone

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Survivalism isn't all about taking.

Are you really telling me that, should this world become a survivalist world, people would not become savages? Do you really believe that?

It's settled. You are not familiar with the dark side of human nature at all. Our biggest fear is death...and if giving means to forsake even an inch of the possibility of surviving, it will not happen. The more we take, the more likely we are to survive.

And if that's the name of the game, then we will take take take. No giving...only taking. Because to give is to relinquish our right for someone else. And that's not survivalism. That's sacrifice.

It will end when you kill us all and take everything that was given to you and you burn it without lighting it on fire ,the blood that will be on your hands. The time is here and now, when wisdom kills all that your parents has taught you, when scientists and enlightenment brings in the age of Aquarius and you will see it is to late. you sent all that you loved away from you because you call them stupid and not worthy of living with you in this life.

You toil and plot everyday as to how you can end the faith of those who believe and mock them and throw your stones of hate. you sit and laugh at the stories that shaped a life that had hardly crime until they began to take it away and you wonder why are kids are as callous as they are. we wage war on those for fake money and fake salvation and you want peace and all you do is attack the people of faith.

Never have you blamed those in power and you gave them your body to be slaved without even knowing it and in turn they destroyed the land so that people can not live off the land. You let them poison are water and liter the land with junk, all the while your noses are in your cell phones. All of you speak of waking up but it is you that are asleep and are blinded by knowledge.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

Survivalism isn't all about taking.

Are you really telling me that, should this world become a survivalist world, people would not become savages? Do you really believe that?

It already is a survivalist world and people already are savages. Except in the human world, the savagery is unbalanced. Instead of killing for food, now people kill for money. But now its no longer about money for food, its about money for other things.

It's settled. You are not familiar with the dark side of human nature at all. Our biggest fear is death...and if giving means to forsake even an inch of the possibility of surviving, it will not happen. The more we take, the more likely we are to survive.

And if that's the name of the game, then we will take take take. No giving...only taking. Because to give is to relinquish our right for someone else. And that's not survivalism. That's sacrifice.

Dude. It is the name of the game. Take take take. That's what we do. We're better at it than any other species on the planet. Do you seriously think we are relinquishing our rights for others, even though we cage animals to herd them to make it easier for us to consume them?

For anything to be given, it has to be taken first.

Does a person have to believe in a virgin birth and a resurrection to be a Christian? Or just accept that Jesus spread certain ideas like a primitive hippie? People that believe no sperm was necessary to create that baby surely must become extinct if analytical thinking skills are learned in place of brainwashing to make impossible things reality. I am not aware of anyone that has seen a creature die in full, its life essence having fled its body, then make a full recovery. Nobody has a life experience that should allow one to believe such a thing. Was Jesus a really supreme guy? Probably? Did he have superpowers? Probably not. Were people tripping on diseased rye? Who knows? Did the Romans or somebody else lie about Jesus after his death? Almost assuredly. Are some of those lies being retold today? Probably. If there is ever the sort of mass enlightenment that today's intelligent youth dreams of all ideas of Christianity or Judaism or Islam will be looked upon as fables and myths meant to inspire the critical mind into deciding to do right by our neighbors and our earth and all its creatures. It must be done voluntarily. Ideas like religion are ultimately polarizing but the truly enlightened see no division between themselves and other men, all are brothers and only that attitude is required to make it true. The same mysterious energy is a part of all things, living and dead, and makes no preference as to man or animal, earth or gas.

Originally posted by WarriorOfLight96
It will end when you kill us all and take everything that was given to you and you burn it without lighting it on fire ,the blood that will be on your hands. The time is here and now, when wisdom kills all that your parents has taught you, when scientists and enlightenment brings in the age of Aquarius and you will see it is to late. you sent all that you loved away from you because you call them stupid and not worthy of living with you in this life.

You toil and plot everyday as to how you can end the faith of those who believe and mock them and throw your stones of hate. you sit and laugh at the stories that shaped a life that had hardly crime until they began to take it away and you wonder why are kids are as callous as they are. we wage war on those for fake money and fake salvation and you want peace and all you do is attack the people of faith.

Never have you blamed those in power and you gave them your body to be slaved without even knowing it and in turn they destroyed the land so that people can not live off the land. You let them poison are water and liter the land with junk, all the while your noses are in your cell phones.

Who do you think you are, lol? Martin Luther King Jr.? Nice passionate speech and all, but do you even know what you're saying?

All of you speak of waking up but it is you that are asleep and are blinded by knowledge.

Lmao. This is exactly what's wrong with religious people. "Blinded by knowledge"? Seriously? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one's "toiling and plotting to end faith", just toiling and plotting to end retarded crap like this.

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Perhaps I misjudged you in the area of religious insight, Justin...

Your knowledge of history is severely compromised. Contrary to consensus wisdom the church was NOT a barrier to science. Medical schools and universities were church sponsored. Physicians were almost ALL clergy. You probably beleive the myth that the church taught the world was flat or that Galileo was tortured by the church. Without the church there would have been no learning, no inquiry and no advancements in science.

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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

You do realize I either cook over a campfire or eat it raw, right?

So no, I am not blind.

This is survivalism.

But survivalism takes our worst qualities and makes them mandatory, just to stay alive. What part of this is hard to understand?

Survivalism really just takes our bad qualities and makes them not bad, just necessary for life. Survival is life. To be a survivor is to be a liver (not the organ). To be a liver is to be spiritual.

edit on 1-5-2012 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)

No. If I were a survivalist, I would make it a priority to raid other camp sites, kill the campers and prepare their bodily meat for my consumption.

You would? I wouldn't. I think you are confusing survivalism with cannibalism.

I would make clothes from their skin and wear their bones as jewelry, or use them as tools. I would take an innocent man and reduce him to my rug, my evening stew, and a set of weapons with which to kill the brother that escaped me.

Lol. You have a very overactive imagination.

This is what one would do in a survivalist world. All morals go out the window. It's kill or be killed.

Do you not understand that love is a survival mechanism as well? It is kill or be killed. Even today, its eat meat or die. But it doesn't have to be human meat, and you don't have to keep their bones for trophys. You watch too many movies, lol- another reason why a more natural way of living would be benefficial. Wild animals typically don't kill their own species.

How do bad qualities become not bad? The moment bad qualities become necessary for life, is the moment our life becomes unnecessary.

We generally consider fear to be bad because it is undesirable. Fear isn't bad though, it keeps you alive. Greed wouldn't even be possible if we didn't restrict the free will of herd animals.

And that's exactly how any survivalist will see it when they stumble upon YOUR camp. Survival is NOT spiritual. Understanding is spiritual. Survival is materialistic, because it revolves around the preservation of your VESSEL, and not your SOUL.

The "soul" doesn't need to be preserved. It is already in a state of perfection. It is your vessel who is not in tune with your perfection. The easiest way to become out of tune with your "soul" is to restrict the freedom of expression of others. When you buy packaged meat, you are supporting this restriction. There is nothing wrong with preserving your vessel.

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I think you are confusing survivalism with cannibalism.

Others would not make the distinction. If it means food and warmth, it's fair game.

Besides, moral survival is an oxymoron. Morals are inefficient when it comes to staying alive among others doing the exact same thing. Every man for himself.

Do you not understand that love is a survival mechanism as well?

...This is where I stop discussing this with you. When we stop fighting for one another, and start fighting only for ourselves...that's when we lose our humanity. And with humanity, goes love. There's a huge difference between lust and love. And love does not warm your bed or fill an empty stomach.

You have no grasp of anything we are discussing here. I am effectively ending this discussion. Anyone who is reading along, I hope you can understand why. There are just some people I have no patience for. Not because I am wrong, but because showing them I'm right is like bashing my head against a tree. They are too thick to understand some things, and I'm not patient enough to explain it repeatedly.

Peace.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by WarriorOfLight96
It will end when you kill us all and take everything that was given to you and you burn it without lighting it on fire ,the blood that will be on your hands. The time is here and now, when wisdom kills all that your parents has taught you, when scientists and enlightenment brings in the age of Aquarius and you will see it is to late. you sent all that you loved away from you because you call them stupid and not worthy of living with you in this life.

You toil and plot everyday as to how you can end the faith of those who believe and mock them and throw your stones of hate. you sit and laugh at the stories that shaped a life that had hardly crime until they began to take it away and you wonder why are kids are as callous as they are. we wage war on those for fake money and fake salvation and you want peace and all you do is attack the people of faith.

Never have you blamed those in power and you gave them your body to be slaved without even knowing it and in turn they destroyed the land so that people can not live off the land. You let them poison are water and liter the land with junk, all the while your noses are in your cell phones.

Who do you think you are, lol? Martin Luther King Jr.? Nice passionate speech and all, but do you even know what you're saying?

All of you speak of waking up but it is you that are asleep and are blinded by knowledge.

Lmao. This is exactly what's wrong with religious people. "Blinded by knowledge"? Seriously? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one's "toiling and plotting to end faith", just toiling and plotting to end retarded crap like this.

edit on 1-5-2012 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)

What I meant was with knowledge you forget those who are less fortunate and you sip your drinks and say they are nothing more than retarded. it makes you think that life is better off with the weak gone and the world would be a better place and one less mouth to feed. with knowledge you can erase the existence of God and Jesus it would make it easier to do away with 6.5 billion people. No Sin, No Hell, No problem.

Originally posted by ofNight
Many people don't take it seriously even today, though there are obviously tons of Christians still alive today.

How long do you think it'll be until Christianity dies down?

My guess? Christianity will greatly die out in the next 100 years. I believe it'll be a sharp decline, considering science, atheism, and rational thought are becoming more and more prevalent, and since the invention of the Internet, information is being spread at a faster rate than ever before.

Christians can answer this too, it's an interesting thought.

This has got to be one of the most uninformed posts on ATS, ever.

You are simply falling victim to the anti-Christian propaganda you see on your TV, which you should probably stop watching.

Making jewelry out of bones of people you've eaten will help you survive how, exactly? Perhaps spells could be cast with them. Do you offer the heart to the gods too?

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LOVE IS A SURVIVAL MECHANISM. Funny you decide to quit listening to what I have to say at the moment an opportunity arose to learn something new. Like you were really listening to begin with.

Love is a survival mechanism. Love is a mechanism that keeps you alive. Love is a mechanism that you survive by. Because without it, you'd kill your self. Believe that. You'd die without love and you'd die without fear. They are both good things. They are both survival mechanisms. Life is about survival-like it or not-and life is what is referred to as "spirit". So to be a survivalist is to be a spiritualist.

Your ego is shining through today.

I heard an idea recently that was a bit eye-opening. If you want to change an entire population's beliefs, it takes but one or two generations. Within that time frame, rewrite history - literally. Change the text, the stories, the tombs and translations. Once the elders die off, all that is left is what has been rewritten, and must be viewed as the truth. Sure there will still be lingering opposition, but are we not more likely to believe that which is most prevalent? It makes me wonder how many times this has already happened. Not just in the bible, but in the many other beliefs we, as a world, have.

Originally posted by ofNight
Many people don't take it seriously even today, though there are obviously tons of Christians still alive today.

How long do you think it'll be until Christianity dies down?

My guess? Christianity will greatly die out in the next 100 years.

Seeing as 78.4% of Americans claim to be Christian, I don't see Christianity "dying down" anytime soon. Not in 100 years, not in 1000. Then again, if the Rapture really does happen as many believe it will, then Christianity will disappear overnight.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by Starchild23

 

LOVE IS A SURVIVAL MECHANISM. Funny you decide to quit listening to what I have to say at the moment an opportunity arose to learn something new. Like you were really listening to begin with.

Love is a survival mechanism. Love is a mechanism that keeps you alive. Love is a mechanism that you survive by. Because without it, you'd kill your self. Believe that. You'd die without love and you'd die without fear. They are both good things. They are both survival mechanisms. Life is about survival-like it or not-and life is what is referred to as "spirit". So to be a survivalist is to be a spiritualist.

Your ego is shining through today.

No, without love you would not kill yourself. I have lived without anyone loving me for several years. They put up with me...they did not love me.

Besides, how can you kill yourself when you fear death?

Your argument for love as a survival mechanism designed to trigger reproduction is naive, simplistic and actually contrary to the survival process.

Love seems to encourage humans to stay with a single mate. This in and of itself is an argument against it being a mechanism designed to pass down our genetic code. The most efficient way to pass down your genetic code is to spread your seed to as many mates as possible.

There are several other flaws in your argument that bring about several questions....

1. If love is simply a mechanism for reproduction, why do we love our parents and our siblings?
2. Why do homosexuals love each other?
3. Why do people love their pet?
4. Why do post menopausal women feel love?
5. Why do sterile people feel love?

Love is not for survival, it's for learning. Animals do not feel love, they feel a bond. Define love, if you will. What's the matter? Can't? Love is different to everyone...survival mechanisms are easily defined. Love isn't. In fact, love can cause you to sacrifice yourself for someone else, whether it be to save them or because they don't accept your affections. Doesn't that sort of contradict survival? If love is a survival mechanism, it has a lot of loopholes. And THAT, dear naive little poster, is counterproductive to survival.

How's THAT for an argument? Oh, and put some clothes on. Your naivety is particularly glaring this fine, sunny day.