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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Annee
Of course, to you all of the various studies they cited have to be wrong, and the one study that Journal suggesting homophones are secretly gay and made that way by authoritarian parents must be right....any fool can see the bias.
Yes - - absolutely.
All the studies by FRC are crap!
Oh of course they must be because you disagree with them.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Annee
Of course, to you all of the various studies they cited have to be wrong, and the one study that Journal suggesting homophones are secretly gay and made that way by authoritarian parents must be right....any fool can see the bias.
Yes - - absolutely.
All the studies by FRC are crap!
Oh of course they must be because you disagree with them.
Yeah - - that's it.
The Family Research Council's studies on homosexuality and pedophilia is complete crap - - because I don't agree with them.
You got me.
A study of 279 homosexual/bisexual men with AIDS and control patients discussed in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported: "More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20 percent by age 10 years."[71]
71. Harry W. Haverkos, et al., "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501.
Examining the Research
One problem is that none of the studies in this area have obtained data from a probability sample, that is, a sample that can be assumed to be representative of the population of all child molesters. Rather, most research has been conducted only with convicted perpetrators or with pedophiles who sought professional help. Consequently, they may not accurately describe child molesters who have never been caught or have not sought treatment.
Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation. psychology.ucdavis.edu...
Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Annee
There is no reason in hell for 4 year old to be thinking about their sexual orientation.......your view of ethics are so blurred...I think it is way to late for you.
What About Claims That Scientific Research Proves Gay Men Are Likely To Molest Children?
Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey titled Homosexuality and Child Abuse.
With 76 footnotes, many of them referring to papers in scientific journals, it appears at first glance to be a thorough and scholarly discussion of the issue. On further examination, however, its central argument – that "the evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls" – doesn't hold up.
In the following section, the main sources cited by Dailey and the FRC to support their claim are reviewed. The papers are listed in the same order in which they are first cited by the FRC article.
Freund et al. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age preference. Journal of Sex Research, 26, 107-117.
This article is discussed above in the "Other Approaches" section. As the FRC concedes, it contradicts their argument. The abstract summarizes the authors' conclusion: "Findings indicate that homosexual males who preferred mature partners responded no more to male children than heterosexual males who preferred mature partners responded to female children."
Silverthorne & Quinsey. (2000). Sexual partner age preferences of homosexual and heterosexual men and women. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 29, 67-76.
The FRC cites this study to challenge the Freund et al. data (see the previous paper above). However, the methodologies were quite different. Freund and his colleagues used a sample that included sex offenders and they assessed sexual arousal with a physiological measure similar to that described below for the 1988 Marshall et al. study. Silverthorne and Quinsey used a sample of community volunteers who were asked to view pictures of human faces and use a 7-point scale to rate their sexual attractiveness. The apparent ages of the people portrayed in the pictures was originally estimated by Dr. Silverthorne to range from 15 to 50. However, a group of independent raters perceived the male faces to range in age from 18 to 58, and the female faces to range from 19 to 60.
psychology.ucdavis.edu...
GENEVA — The Obama administration announced on Tuesday that the United States would use all the tools of American diplomacy, including the potent enticement of foreign aid, to promote gay rights around the world.
The administration’s announcement formalizes several steps that Mrs. Clinton has already ordered. She has asked American diplomats to raise the issue wherever harassment or abuse arises and required a record of them in the State Department’s annual report on human rights. On Tuesday, she also announced a $3 million program to finance gay-rights organizations to combat discrimination, violence and other abuses.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Annee
Annee are you trying to prove that there is NO link to homosexuality in child sex offenders, or that not all are homosexual? Because no one is saying they all are. I simply wanted to show you that there are links since you claimed that pedophilia has nothing whatever to do with homosexuality.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Then of course there is the whole Kevin Jennings school safety czar thing
FACT CHECK: The Right-Wing Smear Campaign Against Kevin Jennings
By Amanda Terkel on Jul 3, 2009
The right wing has a new target: Kevin Jennings, whom President Obama appointed Assistant Deputy Secretary at the Department of Education for the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools (OSDFS). Jennings has had a distinguished career as a teacher, author, and founder of Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), an organization that works to make schools safe for all students, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.
It is primarily Jennings’ work with GLSEN that has so outraged the far right. The Family Research Council (FRC) launched the “Stop Kevin Jennings” campaign this week, warning that he is a “radical homosexual activist” who has “worked tirelessly to bring the homosexual agenda into our nation’s classrooms.” “His history demonstrates disregard for our obligations to safeguard the health and well being of the student population,” writes FRC President Tony Perkins.
ThinkProgress investigated FRC’s claims and spoke to people who have worked with Jennings. A look at some of the “facts” about him:
FRC CLAIM: “Jennings’ and GLSEN’s concept of ‘safe schools’ means special protections for privileged groups (especially homosexuals), rather than safety for all.”
FACT: As the gay son of a Southern baptist preacher, Jennings had a “childhood of prejudice, taunts, and harassment.” As an education leader, he has used those experiences to promote tolerance and anti-bullying measures in schools nationwide. ThinkProgress spoke with Molly Spearman, executive director of the South Carolina Association of School Administrators. Spearman first heard Jennings speak at the 2007 convention of the National Association of Secondary School Principals (NASSP). Spearman said that she was so impressed with Jennings, she decided to invite him to speak at her organization’s October 2007 summit on bullying:
thinkprogress.org...
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Annee
Annee are you trying to prove that there is NO link to homosexuality in child sex offenders, or that not all are homosexual? Because no one is saying they all are. I simply wanted to show you that there are links since you claimed that pedophilia has nothing whatever to do with homosexuality.
Originally posted by neo96
The bottom line considering the separation of church and state in this country Savage is wasting his time so the left wing.
Government can't tell the Catholic Church or any other church what to do.
Consider that little fact and the true face is revealed pitting two sides agianst each other to garner votes.
Dance little puppets dance to that tune
I have answered this question before in other threads.
Pedophilia is an orientation on to itself. It is about attraction to children. The preference is children - - not gender.
Victims are often chosen by availability -- not gender. If a pedophile has sex with same gender - - it may be called a homosexual act - - - but that has nothing to do with a person who is a homosexual.
A homosexual would be the same as a heterosexual in how they approach "normal" sex.
There are links to back this up.
You also seem to feel LGBTs are above reproach, so I reckon it's only fair that I post the following list of famous LGBTs, and then ask you couple of questions about it.
Jeffrey Dahmer 17
Andrew Cunanan 5
Randy Steven Kraft 65 (est.)
Michael Swango 35 - 60
John Wayne Gacy 33
Patrick Wayne Kearney 28+
David D. Hill 28?
Wayne Williams 27
Dean Corll 27
Elmer Wayne Henley 27
David Owen Brooks 27
Donald Harvey 25 - 40 (est.)
Juan Corona 25
Larry Eyler 19
William Bonin 12+
Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole 12+
Vaughn Greenwood 11+
Richard Speck 8+
David Bullock 6+
Vernon Butts 6+
Paul Bateson 6 ? (est.)
Michael Terry 6
Orville Lynn Majors 6
Charles Cohen 5+
Arthur Gary Bishop 5
Westley Allan Dodd 3+
David P. Brown (a.k.a. Nathaniel Bar-Jonah) 3+
Charles Manson 3+
David Edward Maust 5+
Bruce Davis 2+
Erik Menendez 2
Aileen Wuornos 7+
Tyria Moore 7+
Catherine Wood 6
Gwen Graham 6
1) What do the above individuals have in common?
2) How many young Christians do you feel may be represented by the numbers to the right of those names?
Your attempts at interpreting what I actually say - - is failing.
Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by Annee
Your attempts at interpreting what I actually say - - is failing.
The only thing that is "failing", are your attempts to misconstrue my statements.
See ya,
Milt
Dear Dr. Laura
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jack
It's as clear as night and day that Savage WAS JUST AS WRONG as those he condemns for "bullying" LGBTs. I don't understand how anyone can, in good conscience, justify such hostile actions by such an obvious "jack ass", or anyone else for that matter.
I think she's under the impression you list were all pedophiles....
Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by BenReclused
I think she's under the impression you list were all pedophiles....