Everyone Should Read - Fine Line Between Life and Death

I was and am upset about the Terri Schiavo circus. I've told my GF that no matter what they tell her, I'm in there and to let me play.

Some of modern medical practices make me wonder about the human species overall. Transplants are one of those. Older members might remember baby Fae and her baboon heart... I pretty much lost it after that.

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Now a days I hear about artificial organs (Cheney), and even kidnapping people for their organs. What a world.

Interesting...need to really give this some thought....

In 2009 after losing a huge amount of blood with bleeding ulcers heart stopped for 89 seconds the nurse told the doctor "Doctor you should stop (he had those huge electrical shock pads on my chest) he's dead". Just then I registered a heat beat.

When I told the doctor the next day I had heard everything the nurse standing there said she almost fainted dead away. He called in supervisors to hear me recite what was said when I was "dead". Policy of hospital changed and he wrote article that appeared in AMA journal. After doing much reading I discovered the sense of hearing is the last intelligent part of the body to stop working. Other areas keep :living" but they are certain muscles etc. So I can tell you first hand they probably kill many people who would otherwise live. I removed myself from organ donor list as they sometimes have organ removal teams there to begin "harvesting" organs seconds after death. My "death" was unexpected or they would have begun harvesting organs. I was unable to speak or even blink. Organ transplants are OK but needs to be true death. Stomach ulcers healed, discovered and fixed problem and now I'm fine. Hospitals can kill you! Avoid them if you can!

I also knew a man in his 40's who had a stroke. He went into a coma and when they found out he did not have insurance, they declared him Brain dead . The next day were asking to harvest his organs .
He was breathing on his own with all bodily functions.
His wife was SURE he would wake up. The doctors did not want to wait.
They convinced the family he would live on when his organs were donated.
I always thought it was so strange they way the whole thing was handled and now i understand.

This is scary.

Doctors convince the nurses that the patients family does not have the cognitive skills to understand.
hmmm?
Good one.
Takes the guilt off the medical team and no big bill at the tax payers expense. I get it.
I am no longer an organ donor either.

My father has always told me that in his experience the surgeons are always overly keen to remove organs before it can be 100% proven the patient is dead, and has always urged me to not become an organ donor because he believes he has seen this exact phenomenon take place more than once in his lifetime, and he is 71. I have never known if he was just being paranoid and never really took a side (although I am officially NOT an organ donor at the present time). But now, after reading these experiences, I have decided to stay on the non-organ donor list. It's not because I'm selfish.. I just don't trust the world we live in today. Everyone's out to make a buck.

this is why stem cell research and cloning could come in handy.
We wouldnt need organ donars if the law allowed us to clone these parts needed.
But people are afraid these laws would open up doors to cloning whole humans.

Originally posted by MRuss
My neice, who is 22 years old, had a lung transplant last week. She almost died due to a genetic disease, and had that lung donor's parents not signed the papers, she wouldn't be here today.

Writer, thinker, college graduate, beautiful young woman. She has so much to live for. We feel so lucky that we may have her for more time to come. For the first time in her life, she is breathing without difficulty. I believe she deserved to live and her donor gave her the gift of life.

I will be a donor.

It's so easy to trash a program that hasn't benefited you directly.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Some things are a gift.

edit on 29-4-2012 by MRuss because: (no reason given)

I was 15 when my aunt had an aneurysm. She donate her lungs, eyes, etc... At that time I decided to become a donor. I think between my mothers' incident, and my aunts, I'm torn as to my decision now. But then again, like everything there's good and bad in every profession.

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you ever consider the person who donated the organ could have been just as unique as you relative? why do they deserve to die so hospitals can laugh it all the way to the bank. while tptb make us sick and weak so hospitals have job security.

Originally posted by Foxy1
this is why stem cell research and cloning could come in handy.
We wouldnt need organ donars if the law allowed us to clone these parts needed.
But people are afraid these laws would open up doors to cloning whole humans.

That reminds me of the South Part episode where they were able to graft an "organ" to a rat and the rat escaped. LOL

I was listening to the news one night and the anchor was talking about a woman who was hit by a car while crossing the street. He said "because the woman is an organ donor she is not expected to survive". I was shocked. I really wish I had DVR so I could rewind and see if I really heard that correctly. This was Fox News local station Minn/Stp.

Remember when Dick Cheney got that heart transplant awhile back? I bet if he was anyone else that would have never happened. I'm not an organ donar for that reason alone. My heart going to someone like Dick Cheney? No thank you i'd rather have it rot in the ground.

Originally posted by OhZone
This transplant business should be banned/outlawed.
It isn't a cure for the ill.
It gives people false hope, and they think everything will be just fine when they get this transplant.
These people don't live very long afterwards and can be mizerable till they die.
Those anti-rejection drugs suppress the immune system and they can have one infection after another.

That's funny... because I had a heart transplant 17 years ago. (14yr old at the time)False hope? Hmm.. Never once had an infection. Played baseball all throughout high school and college. Had my chance to be in 2 musicals (Most fun ever). Met my beautiful gf. Man.. I'm so miserable.You are right about the immunosuppressants though however here are so many new medications that most of what you say was true back in the 80's. You should get educated on the subject.

Originally posted by OhZone
This transplant business should be banned/outlawed.
It isn't a cure for the ill.
It gives people false hope, and they think everything will be just fine when they get this transplant.
These people don't live very long afterwards and can be mizerable till they die.
Those anti-rejection drugs suppress the immune system and they can have one infection after another.

It's not going to be banned or outlawed because there's too much money to be made out of it.

The rich can always go to China and buy what they need. Do they care how it was harvested? Probably not.

I'm on the list for a lung transplant ive been waiting over year for a match ..I have a genetic disease without new lungs soon i will die ..My only hope is for a donor to give
me this life saving gift of life..
I understand what people are saying but when your on the other end waiting its so frustrating. This waiting time is the most difficult part there is a huge shortage of donor organs many of us will die before this happens ..If your a donor please think about it before you trash this program there are many of us that are waiting for this gift..peace,sugarcookie1

I am learning every day that it is best to stay away from doctors as much as possible.

Ever wondered why royalty or the illuminati bloodlines are never declared 'brain dead'? It is because they do not follow conventional medicine.

Also noticed how royalty and big-players on the global stage seem to live longer than we do too?

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When i was being diagnosed two years ago I went though a dozen doctors. All but two misdiagnosed me and gave me the wrong drugs - and I had very bad reactions to those drugs but they didn't care and just kept prescribing them to me. When I dared to tell them that they were wrong about their diagnosis, they got all huffy and said things like "i've been a doctor for 23 years ... I've done this many times .... blah blah blah).

I was able to educate myself on what I had, what to take, what not to take ... all better than what they were doing.

(it turned out that I have Sjogrens autoimmune with poly neuropathy along with the 'other things' that I have - degenerative disc disease and glaucoma)

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Oh man, this really hits home for me because you see my father, back in 1989 had a massive heart attack and went 21 minutes without oxygen to the brain, he was on life support and our family was asked a few times if we wanted to pull the plug. Doctors told us if he did come back he wouldn't have the mentality any higher than that of a dog. Fortunately my family has a lot of faith and after 12 days we still said no. Thank God that was our decision because 3 days later he came out of where ever he was and was talking and seemed fine, except for some memory lapses, and 3 days after that we took him home.
We had 3 more terrific years with him and the doctors couldn't explain a thing. They said this was nothing short of a miracle.
I'm now having second thoughts of being a donor. However for me the choice will be hard since I am the recipient of a donor. I have 3 cadaver bones in me neck where I had a cervical spine fusion. To add to the miracle for my father. He was a very strict, hardcore, Marine Corp Drill Sargeant for years and was one of the meanest men you could meet. When he came out of his coma he was one of the nicest men you could meet.
God Bless.....

Originally posted by MRuss
It's so easy to trash a program that hasn't benefited you directly.

Like I said .. I used to be a potential 'donor' but that was before I developed autoimmune. The program benefits recipients .. but what about those who are having the plug pulled too early? How do they benefit?

Originally posted by chemistry
I am learning every day that it is best to stay away from doctors as much as possible.

Me too. And that's pretty darn hard to do that with this sjogrens. But I've learned that they want me on all sorts of drugs that just have bad side effects and bad reactions to other drugs they want me on .. and none of it cures me ... And I've had it with doctors who think they are sooooo smart, when in fact they get everything soooooo wrong. But perhaps that's a different subject ...

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I am very glad for you and your niece. I'd like you to answer this question though. How would it feel to find out that the hospital killed the donor so that your niece could live?

If I were in need of an organ I would rather die than have someone else's life stripped away to save mine.