Anti-Bikie Laws Are A Precursor To Loss Of Freedom For Us All

I know some Bikies. The Rebel's Motorcycle Gang has a clubhouse about two hours from where I live. ( country NSW ) They are pretty decent guys and in my dealings with them I have found them to be more than fair people. Bikies do not hurt the public. They only fight amongst themselves.

If I see some Rebel's I am not worried. On the other hand,if I see the Cop's I am worried. The Police are arrogant and they are constantly annoying the public with their 'random stops' and rude behaviour. They also kill more member's of the public than Bikies. Its not rare to read about some scared Police Officer shooting an unarmed mental person or low threat criminal. They even accidently shoot other Police at times.I think they are a menace to society.

The current blitz on Bikie Gangs in my opinion is a blow to freedom. Bikies should be able to wear their gang colours. Why shouldnt they? Not all 'Bikies' are criminals. Not all members are even 'Bikies'. They have associates and friends too.



I contend that the Government does not want any members of the public to form 'groups'. They know the political climate is changing. The duopoly is on its last legs. They do not want group's like America's Wide Awake Rebublicans to emerge. The new Bikie Laws are a precursor to them preventing political groups organising and meeting. And if a Political Group decides to have a uniform or even a logo they will be considered to be a 'gang'.

They heat the water up slowly. You only have to look at how the NSW Police abuses the anti-terror laws to target the Lebonese Australian's to see what Im saying.

I think we should all support the Bikies. Sure they ride lame slow Harley Davidsons and are the biggest posers you will ever see but most 'Bikies' are great people. They pose no threat to the public. All of their problems are dealt with in-house.

Even if you are not a Bikie fan you should support them for the sake of your own freedom.

"It's law and order propaganda by the WA Government, it's what it can turn into and evolve into that's the biggest concern. "These laws are wide sweeping, they're not just for bikies."

au.news.yahoo.com...

Bikie's LOL how cute.
We call them Biker's here in the US.
But yes I agree these laws are unjust, unfair and downright rotten!

I agree they are taking away to many choices. By the way they prefer to be called bikers.

reply to post by proob4


you beat me to it cheers

Originally posted by my1percent
I agree they are taking away to many choices. By the way they prefer to be called bikers.

Bikie laws a 'blow' to club freedom

Thats the Headline.

The Veterans Motorcycle Club WA has joined a campaign against proposed anti-bikie laws, saying they threaten everything they fought for.

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Bikies.

And I dont know any cute ones.

I agree with this. I can sometimes find motorcycle gangs a little intimidating; a group of them descended on the local town once, for some convention or other that they were having, and it was a bit scary.

Despite them being a bit rough, though, I certainly would not deny them the right to exist, at all. If I am not endangered by them, then as far as I am concerned, they can ride their bikes and do whatever else they want.

They use a crisis to further their agenda, they don't care about the problem they are using, or care about the Public.
They just use any little crisis to further their agenda.

in the US
you have Biker Gangs
& Biker Clubs

Gangs like Hells Angels
and Mongols have a long
history of unsavory behavior.

Clubs are for dood's
who like bikes and
wanna hang out around the likes.

you say Bikie we say Biker

Edit oops ....so did a quik search on MC Gangs

Outlaw motorcycle gangs Outlaw motorcycle gangs are present in Australia, with international outlaw clubs like the Bandidos and Hells Angels and Gypsy Jokers as well as local groups. One of the major events in Australian motorcycle gang criminal history was what became known as the Milperra Massacre in 1984, where a fight between two gangs, the Comancheros and the Bandidos in Milperra in the South of Sydney, turned into a gun battle that claimed seven lives - six gang members and a civilian. While conflict between various clubs has been ever present, in 2008 the gang conflict escalated, with 13 shootings taking place in Sydney in the space of two weeks.

Wiki Gangs Ausi

so its this element that gives the other element a bad name

That's pretty interesting. Especially since in my country and in the adjacent Belgium and Germany the same thing is happening: a criminalisation through media and politics of biker clubs. Over here it are the Hell's Angels and the Satudarah Maluku clubs.

Curious to read that the minds of 2 countries, literally half way around the world, are alike. One would would almost believe there was a supranational agenda.

Meh...

Originally posted by CriticalMess
That's pretty interesting. Especially since in my country and in the adjacent Belgium and Germany the same thing is happening: a criminalisation through media and politics of biker clubs. Over here it are the Hell's Angels and the Satudarah Maluku clubs.

Curious to read that the minds of 2 countries, literally half way around the world, are alike. One would would almost believe there was a supranational agenda.

Meh...

We're seeing a re-enactment of the Third Reich. Except this time, it's global. There will be no cavalry. We're in the equivalent of around 1938 at this point.

By definition Suits are a gang, same with cops, catholic school children, members of a marching band, women in dresses, juicy haute couture, sports players, cross wearers, bur qua and ha jib wearers, men who are required to wear beards or towels (sorry I don't know the name for these-turbans?) on their heads, aboriginal Americans in feathers, Aussie's in aboriginal clothing (or lack of it), nudists, tattooed islanders, tattooed Japanese mafia. Anyone who wears traditional native clothing like leiderhosen, dirndls, native Africans and so on.

I fail to understand why one group is singled out more than any other!

Originally posted by garygnu
I fail to understand why one group is singled out more than any other!

Because that's what fascism does. It picks off the population, one group or segment at a time.

Fascists will select a group that the majority do not identify with to murder, first. They will tell the majority that they are only killing or persecuting that single, specific group; and because most people aren't members of said group, they don't object.

Biker gangs are the perfect target for this sort of thing. The majority of the public fear them, to greater or lesser degrees. They also usually are racist, adherents of anarchic religious systems (such as Asatru, if not outright Satanism) and can exhibit varying degrees of criminality, violence, and other socially taboo forms of behaviour.

So a fascist government can pick on bikers as much as they want, and the public won't care, because as far as the public are concerned, bikers are considered dangerous freaks anywayz.

That's how it starts; but what the public don't understand, is that that is never where it ends. Fascism is a terminal sociopolitical disease. It's literally a macrosocial form of cancer. It needs more and more and more and more people to repress and murder; and once it gets done with those groups which are unacceptable to mainstream society, it will begin to consume mainstream society as well.

So sure, Hitler's spiritual descendants will come for us freaks first, (I say "us," here because I'm autistic, which is also why I can feel solidarity towards bikers, as well as what my avatar might tell you about my own personality) but the muggles always make the mistake of thinking that their turn won't come. It will...it always does.

Story about this, with video.

reply to post by petrus4


Hey Petrus4,thanks for your input.

We seem to agree on most things despite locking horns a few I times.

I agree with what you are saying. Its easy for the government to do this to the Bikies because most wont care hey.

reply to post by Germanicus


The 1% are the real danger. They don't really bother anyone though. They are loner/ nomads. You can't raise your fist to them or they will hurt you, but if you leave them alone they are fine. A little territorial but usually they claim the worse neighborhoods anyways. I would bet that most people will never even meet the 1% ers.

reply to post by BIHOTZ


The Guys I know are Rebels but they dont seem to be heavy hitters or anything. I met them through non-bikie related stuff sorta. But Im sure there are some bad guys in these gangs. But at the same time I dont agree with these laws against them. I also think most Bikie crime is victimless or in-house.

And the recent blitz that the cops did on them was pathetic. They didnt come up with much at all. A waste of tax-money in my opinion.

Yeah mate they're a great bunch of guys NOT! 5 shootings in one night across the south west of Sydney. Approx 18 shootings within the first 20 days of April.

Old ladies ducking for cover while some dumb bikie shoots up the wrong apartment. Random shootings within crowded shopping centres across Sydney. Hardly a case of a friendly benign group of guys getting together to enjoy bike rides.

They are a pack of opportunistic criminals fighting with a sense of ownership/territorial rights over suburbs where decent people are trying to work and live. They are a cancer within society whose revenge attacks have metastasised out of control.

Most of the conflict here in Sydney is due to conflicting families from middle eastern background. Their pusillanimous activities would be better suited to the streets of some war torn 3rd world country where there is no authority and the law of the jungle rules. They are the equivalent of a bloody pack of baboons who happen to ride motorbikes.

reply to post by LexiconV


I would rather see them in charge than the cops.

And not every shooting is 'bikie related'. And how many members of the public have been injured?

i notice you say 'old ladies ducking for cover'. Who has been hurt? How many innocent? Its a beat-up by the media.

Good post OP.

I think its all already been said in this thread, but bears repeating. They come after us, you can be damn sure they'll be coming after you.

Anything that targets a specific group based upon their appearance, mode of transport or affiliations is just a chip off the old Nazi block and shouldn't be tolerated.

Anyway, the clubs will survive, even if they have to go underground to some degree for a while.

reply to post by spoonbender


I agree. The massacre was just in-house stuff.

There is an awesome clip of a Bikie brawl on liveleak at a boxing match. Its brutal. And goes for ages. One of the guys defected to anothergang. They dont like that. If you are initiated,it should be for life as far as they are concerned.

Here is the brawl

www.liveleak.com...


There is a guy shooting a gun. He isnt shooting anyone,but trying to get the guys to stop. They dont


The two cops that come in have got some guts thats for sure.