"The Secret Meeting that Changed Hip-hop and Destroyed a Generation"

I also beleive they glorified rap to encourage drug use among that generation. Now most people i know who did "allot" of drugs in that era now have lung problems, heart problems, gum disease, brain damage, spinal damage and many phyisical ailments that most of them have decided at one point to self medicate with oxycodone.

And dont even get me started on oxycodone, the only reason it is so popular is because Purdue Pharma flooded our streets with it illegaly by the millions, backed by the government, but hidden but hidden by "the war on drugs". And where do you think theyve gotten all the opium to make so many pills? You guys all know it all comes from Afghanistan right? Allways has and always will. And you thaught we were just there for Oil lol.

The article is really alarming/intriguing/disturbing. I kinda want to know more about this.

OC's "Times Up" from 1994 explains this pretty good. Amazing lyrics, modern raps cant touch this....



Check the lyrics here -

www.lyricsdepot.com...

"I'm fed up with the bull, on this focus of weed and clips
and glocks gettin cocked, and wax not bein flipped
It's the same old same old just strain it from the anal
The contact, is not com-pexed or vexed
So why you puhsin it? Why you lyin for? I know where you live
I know your folks, you was a sucka as a kid
Your persona's drama, that you acquired in high school in actin class
Your whole aura is plexi-glass
What's-her-face told me you shot this kid last week in the park
That's a lie, you was in church with your moms
See I know yo, slow your roll, give a good to go
Guys be lackin in this thing called rappin just for dough
Of course we gotta pay rent, so money connects, but uhh
I'd rather be broke and have a whole lot of respect
It's the principal of it, I get a rush when I bust
some dope lines oral, that maybe somebody'll quote
That's what I consider real, in this field of music
Instead of puttin brain cells to work they abuse it
Non-conceptual, non-exceptional
Everybody's either crime-related or sexual
I'm here to make a difference, besides all the riffin
The traps are not stickin, rappers stop flippin
For those who pose lyrical but really ain't true I feel
"Their time's limited, hard rocks too""

Thank you for the link.

I am very interested in these sorts of things.

Ciao, Paz.

Now 1 knows why the 90s was like warzones in different areas. Because they wanted it to be all while lying and acting like it was an issue. Jessie and Sharpton acting all serious about the names called to women and males and baggie pants ect. Those two being in the political circle game as long as they have, had to of known and didn't say nothing.. Now I look back and remember how many of my peers wanted to be gangster rappers ect and didn't even know they were being played into prisons. I seen first hand how it was effecting the minds of those peers who couldn't detach themselves from idolizing the rappers and just couldn't listening to the cool beats and rhymes and look at them as entertainers. So basically the YOUTH were SOLD out by some imposter faker musicians out to save their own financial influences.

This is sad I used to wonder what was the programmer of the minds like why when I go to different sides of the city was the same IGNORANCE DISPLAYED. Thinking back with the influence of movies like GOD FATHER SCARFACE-COLORS- AND MUSIC LIKE BANGIN ON WAX-OR FROM RAPPERS LIKE NWA GROUP-DEATH ROW LABEL-RAP ALOT RECORDS it was a well thought out set up. SMH I KNOW THE LORD SEEN IT ALL AND WHEN ITS TIME SHALL THE LORD TAKE AWAY WHAT THEY HAVE GAINED FINANCIALLY. I know there is programming abilities in music-movies-stories-cave paintings-art. But to read this and see it was set up shows how ignorant many are for money... I guess to the rappers they were like hey who cares as long as we get paid.... Look at it today now same agenda except now instead of gangster rap ruling its money rap. You can be the most ignorant rapper but get respect because you got money and that's the new message being sent GO DO ANYTHING TO GET MONEY OR M.O.E MONEY OVER EVERYTHING. So I guess those private investors are still getting paid for the ignorance is abundant. I feel bad for the youth of today I see them feel their hearts trying to figure out how to get $$$$$ and those who don't get massive depressed and will kill - rob to get theirs. Sounds like the same program. HMMMMMM money huh What happens when the LORD returns and sees. If you believe then you know the LORD can read your brainwave activity well and knows intents so I place my faith in the LORD and am thankful I didn't fall victim (too bad) back in the 90s to the fake game, was not an angel during those times as I was LOST and trying to find a way aswell w/ many of my peers who now sit in these fake rehabilitation zones which REALLY are there to keep the criminal product returning from what I have observed. CANNOT BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE SAT DOWN AND DISCUSSED WITH FOREIGN INFLUENCES HOW TO MANIPULATE MY PEERS AND I INTO PRISON DUE TO THE MUSICAL POWER EFFECTING/programming OUR YOUNG MINDS. Makes my whole youth a lot more clear

There were a lot of rappers back in the 90's that were trying to stop this flow of BS. Unfortunately, they were pushed underground and the movement was destroyed. Lots are still fighting the good fight these days but its mostly ignored by those outside of the movement.

Here are some good peeps teaching the lessons back in the day -


Dark Sun Riders


Boogie Monsters "Recognize Thresholds of Negative Stress"


UMC's (Universal Magnetic MC's) "Blue Cheese"

All of these are from the early to mid 90's

If only it was "The Secret Meeting that Destroyed Hip-hop and Changed a Generation." Oh well, my hope still goes on.

/TOA

i totally believe this story!! music now days is such trash. there is no real substance to any lyrics any more and half of these " gansta rapers" aren't even gansta. fill young minds with thoughts of drugs and violence, and retarded jibberish. at least when tupac yelled thug life you didn't question him and his music had real meaning to it and wasn't strictly focused on hoes and drug and all around acting like a jackass. if you brianwashed yourself listening to this garbage you will more then likely never amount to anything. mho
making positive music that motivates people to better themselves and their community is what they should be playing, not paranoia fear of people and use of drugs to cope with life. i started smoking the funny green stuff as a youth and i see now how it has effected my growth mentally and emotionally, made it a lot easier to be mad at the world when you smoking a blunt listening to someone yell FTW, i still smoke but have opened my mind and have become more conscious of my surrounding and the world around me. we need more feel good music not music that reinforces the stereotypes that are being crammed down our throats.

Intriguing story but that's all it is. A story typed up by an anonymous internet user. Although it's an interesting theory on why the rap industry went into the direction it did for a short time, there's no solid evidence of this "meeting" and there are quite a few loop holes in the plot.

Either way, rap is no longer about violence or criminal activity. It's about being wealthy, surrounded by women, and uh...white people stuff actually. Look at Kanye West lyrics


Also, for those rappers who tried to stay away from the "gangsta" style, they didn't succeed as much mainly because their material wasn't as profitable. It's about being trendy. Gangsta rap was popular and there was money in it...that's what the labels were interested in...not some unpopular goody two shoes.

This thread is such BS! There were gangster rappers long before 1991 when the alleged meeting took place. Ice T has been releasing gangster rap since 1983, and what about NWA. This is just another way for the the Black Man and Liberals to blame the problems of minorities on "The Man" or "Whitey". Whats that song "Gangster Rap Made Me Do It"...no...you made you do it! People need to grow up and stop trying to place blame for things that they do!

You definitely won't hear anything with sense on the radio today. All of the good stuff is hidden underground.....

Apparently I don't know how to embed a video. Here's a link to a good song you won't hear on the radio. REAL rap.

www.youtube.com...

A very interesting read indeed. I do not like hip-hop that promotes violence either and I do believe that there is a conspiracy behind this...However there is something in that letter that just doesn't make sense to me.The writer states that he had to ''sign a confidentiality agreement preventing them from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting'' ,meaning that if they ever disclosed any information, they'd lose their jobs. He also states that approximately 30 people were present on that meeting.He chooses to remain anonymous for ''obvious reasons'' but then decides to give all that info about himself,that he quit the music business in 1993, took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment...Now how hard would it be for that group of obviously dangerous people to do a small research and find out exactly who that person is? I mean there were only 30 of them present at that meeting. Why would he/she do it AND give such important info about their past actions and current whereabouts?I'm not saying I don't believe that there IS something extremely sinister behind gangsta rap,all I'm saying is that I'm not sure I buy this person's story.

Pretty interesting read...

Anyone else thought of how Tupac would fit quite well into all this? I mean maybe they were first making him successful (or choosing him because of his success) with records of (on a superficial level) mixed messages of social conscience and anti-police. Then pushing him over to Death Row (doesn't get more gangsta than that... organisation-wise at least) hoping to turn him into an uber gangsta rap idol, but what he does is more to the opposite and keeps his message more positive while gaining popularity. And that was obviously not what they wanted so they had to end it...

Just a thought that popped into my mind first thing after reading that.

My take on this...

I was BIG into hip-hop, since the early days of electro-funk, Afrika Bambaataa, Doug E. Fresh, Whodini, etc. and through hip-hop's "golden age" with groups like Eric B. & Rakim, De La Soul, Brand Nubian, BDP, Tribe Called Quest, Gang Starr, The Pharcyde, Public Enemy, etc. So that's my background...

Themes of violence, drug use, money, women, etc. have always been present in rap music, but it was more on par with rock music in general. There's no denying the shift in rap music that occurred around '93, so the author of this letter does have the time period correct. Hip-hop music used to be an intelligent, provocative art form. It was a positive cultural force to recon with. Hip hop artists were conspiracy theorists. They drew heavily from the black-power and afro-centric movements of the 60's and 70's, the Nation of Islam, Black Panthers, Malcolm X, etc. Although you could often find points of contention with the ideas expressed in the lyrics, there was genuine creativity, thought, skill and an overall dynamic feel to the music. Rap began to have mass appeal, and these artists were on major labels like Elektra, Warner, BMG, Capitol, etc. This is key, because the major labels are where the major money is.

In my estimate, that all changed around '93, and the huge album behind it was Dr. Dre's The Chronic (released Dec. '92). Yes, previously there was Geto Boys, Eazy-E, Ice-T and other gangsta acts already in the market, but The Chronic really changed the game, so to speak. That was followed up the following year by Snoop Dogg's solo debut,Doggystyle, which was huge. What makes more sense is that record companies began to follow the money and soon MTV and the record stores were overrun with gangsta rap.

What also happened around this same time? Alternative rock exploded. Intelligent, creative hip-hop got lost in the record company's scramble to cash in. Record labels started dropping these acts in favor of harder acts who's lyrics glorified crime, money, abuse of women, drugs, etc. No longer were rap lyrics composed of sharp social commentary, but became mere braggadocio or gibberish. Gone were DJ's scratching on turntables and rappers crafting intricate rhymes. And this trend has continued up until today. Rap is more popular than ever- right up there with pop acts like Katy Perry and Rihanna. True "hip-hop" acts continued of course, but went back underground on indie labels (Jurassic 5, etc.).

In my opinion, this letter is nothing more than a simple-minded hoax. Someone pulled a gun in a conference room? Consider the source, a reader of the Hip Hop Is Read blog. Obviously, this is someone who is a fan of hip-hop and would love to simplify the complex social reasons for the downfall of the art form and shift the blame to the nation's prison industry instead of music consumers themselves. It's much harder to accept and deal with the reality that the community that once embraced intelligent hip-hop changed their tastes (through free will or industry and media pressures). But really, has Bone Thugs-n-Harmony led more people to a life of crime? Is that even measurable? I don't doubt that record companies sought gangsta acts, but not because they were strong-armed by some shady group of people in order to fill up the nation's prisons.

What happened to hip-hop is not unique in the music industry. Trends have always emerged from the underground to the level of popular recognition, been exploited, cloned and marketed by the music industry only to return to the underground scene once popular tastes have changed. What's interesting now is that gangsta rap has mostly returned to the underground and indie labels as well. In it's place we have big, flashy, glittery "rap" (Black Eyed Peas, LMFAO, Lil Wayne, etc.) that has virtually no resemblance to the hip-hop of the early 90's. The music industry responds to trends and they also foster trends and the sinister reality is right under our noses... money wins out over music.

Imo if you end up in jail because of some "gangsta rap", you wouldve ended up in jail anyway, regardless of the music.

yet i believe the OP, though the people that actually end up in jail because of it, deserve nothing less.

This guy has done a thesis for his doctorate in philosophy. It is about Gangsta rap and criminality, and in one part he has recognised that the growth in private prisons, (exponentially in the 80's to date) and gangsta rap are connected, when he says this as a prologue in one section,

" suggesting that the American justice system is complicit in the
production of criminality. In other words, the continued growth of the prison-industrial
complex has had detrimental effects on crime rates, the economy, education, and
representative democracy."

But, did he miss the real point?
The whole pdf,

repositories.lib.utexas.edu...

It seems to me had he known of this possible extreme connection with Gansta rap, (as in this thread) he may have realised that what he was talking about, (harrassment and easy arrest and more) was only the tip of the iceberg. Had I not seen this PDF, I don't think I would have dwelled on this thread for long. But now that I see that these private companies are criminal crafty themselves, I'm thinking this needs much more looking into.

There is one caveat, that is the contract that they signed. When you consider the business of the day, when would that contract ever be used against them?

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encouraged rappers to glorify criminal activity

Yes.

Generally anything that is corporatized the quality drops. There was always stupdidness in hip hop as well as "deep" lyrics. It's like your grandfather complaining how much better music was in his day, it just means you're old. There's still good quality hip hop around, you just aren't looking for it.

The gangsta era is over, that should be seen as a good thing. Very few people played on the radio talk about "gangsta" stuff in their music. It's all about girls, money, fame and partying. It lacks any "golden" verses though.

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Do you think this fits into the rap category? His choruses are tight!

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Lol! Really? No. Sorry. That is not rap.