"The Secret Meeting that Changed Hip-hop and Destroyed a Generation"

reply to post by RealSpoke


I love Odd Future. Up and coming young kids,that are wise to the rap game.

Would live to check them out,actually.

There is a fair bit of truth to this.

The label I am with is full of artists that speak about these real world issues. I highly doubt any of us will ever be signed to any type of non indie label. Not that I care I do it for the love.

wanderingsoulmusic.bandcamp.com...

reply to post by ThoughtForms

it's tyler really.. if you think videos/songs that stylise suicide (yonkers) or stalking/kidnapping (she/vcr) a chick are funny well that's your disposition...

Yes the way he brings it is funny. If you take it seriously, well that´s your disposition.

The guy is smart and hilarious.

I miss the good rap: Run DMC, Will and Dougie:

"Six minutes, six minutes Dougie Fresh you're on..."

Now it's all just crap.

Here in Holland the rap has evolved great, even though you can't understand it, you might like it,

That meeting never happened. I can tell you for a fact because I was there ...

I dont think the letter is actually real. But I DO think it touches on a lot of real issues. But the letter istelf is packaged too neatly to be real. Likely, just something put together to push an idea that already has a lot of traction in the rap community; that in the early 90's, decisions came down from on high to promote gangsta rap over more empowered versions. Too Short has even come out in interviews recently and said his label openly told him they didnt want any 'positive' music, and to just release 'negative stuff.

reply to post by stanguilles7


I agree on that. It's all about money.

Negative sells.

reply to post by tangonine


or how about the Sugar Hill Gang...

i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop
the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie
to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat

source: www.lyricsondemand.com...

that's the good stuff...that's what its all about.

Originally posted by holywar666


I'm 20 years old, grew up in the Bay Area and attended many freestyle battles in Oakland, even filming my friend perform. You dont have to buy anything, my life is my life. Ive been arrested multiple times for crimes that i now equate with rap. In jail, i made beats for older rappers using my hands because im very good at percussion. I met many rappers locked up and also many killers, gang members and bank robbers. I see how rap effects people. I blame my whole 6-month sentence on Eminem and Tupac. Seriously. My first rap album was The Eminem Show, and my best friend who was black, introduced me to Tupac. I never turned back.

Just this year, it all hit me. After years of deciphering Tupac lyrics, Eminem songs like "My Darling" and DMX songs like Damien III, i started to pick up a theme. Its all a conspiracy. It always has been.

Honestly, i find it funny most cant catch onto it. Its rather blatant.

Wow. I'm 36 years old and grew up in the Bay Area. And dude, you're not an anomaly because you're white, listen to rap and have been to Oakland. Point is, you can't blame your lack of judgement on some gangsta rap conspiracy because you decided to worship Eminem or Tupac or whoever. You're just young and naive. I'm sure all the rappers and killers you met in jail swarmed at the chance to get embroiled in conspiracy-talk and conclude that they're all locked up because of Interscope Records. You sound like a mouthpiece for Tipper Gore or Pat Robertson. It's the "he killed himself because he listened to Marilyn Manson" argument all over again.

Since when has the world taken rappers seriously? Like they never bragged or boasted or stretched the truth... or simply told a lyrical story, a commentary. You're the dumb ass who decided to take it as reality and mold your life after it- so accept responsibility.

reply to post by AllIsOne


mmmmmk
the meeting you attended never happened?
gotcha, and the dove that landed was red and white, forever flying to a land that passed midnight..

Do you believe every word? Or... perhaps... might it be rappers just being rappers? Being creative... being scary... being silly... trying to intimidate other rappers with their rhyming skills? Only the naive will think this is real life or that someone held a gun to the RZA's head and said "make violent music or else". How is Eminem or Tupac any different? The fact of the matter is violent rap started making money in the early 90's and the record companies invested. As a rapper during this time period, your financial success hinged on whether you followed the trend. Rappers are always trying to outdo each other. So brandishing guns in videos devolved into bathing in blood, depicting Satanic rituals, etc.

reply to post by NaKeDuSk


No NO no! RZA was definitely being serious about chewing his arm off.

‘Newer’ rap is just terrible music. It’s about as artistic as the Bubble Guppies. Lower IQ’s must be more responsive to it, I’m not sure – I’ve honestly never understood its appeal. At least one could argue that 2Pac and Biggie were poets.

reply to post by RandomEsotericScreenname


If people take the content in his music seriously then they are just gullible. It would be comparable to thinking Freddy Kruger was actually a real guy.

reply to post by RealSpoke


Lol, that was hilarious, especially Tyler as the centaur, I swear that guy has a direct connection to my funnybone.

Cool track.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Generally anything that is corporatized the quality drops. There was always stupdidness in hip hop as well as "deep" lyrics. It's like your grandfather complaining how much better music was in his day, it just means you're old. There's still good quality hip hop around, you just aren't looking for it.

edit on 27-4-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

People tend to forget about Candyman, Tone Loc, Young MC, Salt N Peppa, the Beastie Boys, and Biz Markie. They talk about hip hop like it was this huge cultural movement to advance the black community. There were some conscious rappers. However, they were always bracketed by groups like The Fat Boys.

The first big "rap" hit was Sugarhill Gang's Rapper's Delight which contained the super conscious lyrics,

hear me talkin bout checkbooks, credit cards more money than a sucker could ever spend but i wouldnt give a sucker or a bum from the rucker not a dime til i made it again ya go hotel motel whatcha gonna do today (say what) ya say im gonna get a fly girl gonna get some spankin drive off in a def oj everybody go, hotel motel holiday inn say if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friend

It reminds me of people that forget the 60s and 70s weren't all Bob Dylan, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, and Jimi Hendrix.

Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by Mystery_Lady

 

There was a good discussion at the beginning of the thread, and then it seems like some one who has a motive to promote rap came on lowered the standard of the entire discussion.

Ah, so it was a good dicussion when it was bashing rap, but as soon as people started to argue against it it suddenly became agenda driven, based on promoting rap, and lowered the standard of discussion in your opinion.

Can you get anymore biased?

What about the millions of kids listening to rap that never grow up to be criminals? Don't hear about them, only the bad stuff gets brought up.

It is insane to believe that rap is the cause of criminal behavior and full prisons, especially if it means that you ignore all the other aspects of society and politics that are causing it.

This is just scapegoat-ism in its purest form.

edit on 28-4-2012 by RandomEsotericScreenname because: (no reason given)

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First, Apologies to anyone listening to non-violent rap, and rappers trying to make a good difference. Honestly I didn't know there was rap that was trying to make a positive difference. The only rap I knew of and heard was the violent kind. I'm going to switch this from rap to violent rap. That also tells you how much violent rap was promoted over all other types of rap. Thank you n00bUK, and for posting the lyrics on top of page 17.
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Good comeback. I believe you just proved my point of the thread going down hill. A personal attack right off the bat. The only thing a personal attack is good for is to try to get the other party flustered and angry. A technique usually used by trolls, disinformation specialists, or someone who doesn't really know how to discuss an issue without using slander.

I believe I said I'm also biased against heavy metal also, but you let that slip didn't you? Yes, I'm against all music that promotes violence, drugs, and immoral sex that treats women little better than sex slaves. Not all of them will go to jail, but many are angry. They get fed that anger through the music.

Neither did I say it was the sole cause of people going to prison, but rap along with heavy metal which is mostly violent music plays a part in it. A person already angry, listens to violent music will build up that anger. Some of that music is enough to get a non-angry person angry and violent if they listen to it enough.

What do you think is going to happen to a person not in a good situation, listening to violent music, and building up their anger even further?

What you listen to the most will go into your heart. What is in your heart will come out through what you speak and your actions.

I have no doubt that music influences people.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by holywar666

 

Actually I'd probably say there's just as many negative rap songs as there are positive ones as there are neutral

Pretty much the same with every genre

Why speak on a genre that you don't listen to? And one that you know nothing about.

edit on 27-4-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

Hey, what is with your obsession with telling everyone they know nothing about rap?

It shows how insecure you feel about the subject.
That or some other personal issue. . .

The people who control the mainstream distribution and PR companies are all into this social engineering occult ideology.

It has been this way since way before WOODSTOCK . . . ( www.amazon.com... )
About Dr. Bob Hieronimus

Robert R. Hieronimus, Ph.D. has been an acknowledged pioneer in the "New Paradigm" movement for over 40 years. After traveling with numerous rock and roll bands in the 1960s to share information about esoterica and design posters and album covers, Bob began a long career as a muralist and painter. His highly acclaimed occult and symbolic artcars and murals include the 2,700 square foot prophetic "Apocalypse" at the Johns Hopkins University, which led to Dr. Bob being called "one of this country's best muralists" (Forecast Magazine). Art historian and critic Alan Barnet noted, "Hieronimus has a talent for winning the cooperation of the establishment while he lives and works in the counter-culture."

Dr. Bob’s most famous Artcar, the Volkswagen bus “Light” (better known as “the Woodstock bus”), was photographed by the Associated Press and Rolling Stone at the original 1969 Woodstock, and is still seen today regularly reprinted in media all over the world. A diecast model of Hieronimus’s painted Woodstock bus will be produced by Sunstar Diecast in 2009 in recognition of Woodstock’s 40th anniversary.

In 1969 Bob founded AUM, the first state approved school of esoteric studies in the country which granted certificates in the occult sciences, mystic arts and religious metaphysics. PBS documented his leadership and contributions in 1971 with the feature, "The Artist of Savitria" produced by Maryland Public Television and seen nationwide.

Since you mentioned Talib, go read the lyrics to
NY Weather Report

We welcome you to the 3rd eye of the storm
Check it out!

Futuristic lyricist, straight from the renaissance
Top of the suffer chain, raps upper echelon
My people suffering, slave to another chain
This voyage is maiden, like my mother of the name
Is this your first trip to hell?
Avenge a capitalist, if its a product then we got it for sell
When I first started to spell, my words fell into rhymes
Turned into songs, everything else fell into line
I paint the pictures, you could see the people bleeding my bars
When I was a teen, I was mean, about to reach for the stars
So if I fail or fell, write in the clouds, tighten the vowel
Niggas word, there use to be no biting allowed
Now the gangsters no grindin' allowed
Probably see a fight in the stage, fore you see a fight in the crowd
I send this out to my people facing the storm
Homie we riding it out
You inspire what I'm writing about

Set
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Set ([pronunciation?]; also spelled Seth, Setesh, Sutekh, Setekh or Suty) was a god of the desert, storms, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion. In later myths he was also the god of darkness, and chaos. In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Σήθ (Seth).

In Egyptian mythology, Set is portrayed as the usurper that killed and mutilated his own brother Osiris. Osiris' wife Isis reassembled Osiris' corpse and embalmed him. Osiris' son Horus, sought revenge upon Set, and the myths describe their conflicts. The death of Osiris and the battle between Horus and Set is a popular theme in Egyptian mythology.

Who signed Talib on to his record label as a producer?

Kanye West.

Kanye makes satanic videos with Jay-Z and signs artists that rap about this content and you are here trying to say it has no impact and we all know nothing?

So many "coincidences"

How to make a modern pop hit formula
Axis of Awesome - 4 Four Chord Song (with song titles)