The Masons discovered the highest truth on Jesus and the Essene centuries ago.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

You seem to have shifted from an atheistic perspective to an Islamic perspective recently,

I'm a little worried for you,

Come to Christ,seek Truth, stop believing deceptions

Get on the theme for Masons and not anything and everything else you can imaging, including veiled attempts at more name calling.

This is just more examples for name calling, which is all Christianity from you appears to become. When you can't rise to the game with intelligent comments your fall back is always from put down name. Your world revolves around your limited concepts of one book

I think for myself as you find many others here do also.

Jesus is fine as a teacher, moralist, and messiah. Not good as god.

When Islam gets something right, that thing gets recognition. When Masons insights get close to making things more clear, then those things get recognition.

Unfortunately, you never get close to right on anything and your versions and concepts still get rejected on face value. You are the trained bird, recite what the one book speaks, nothing else.

Read something else besides your one silly book that makes you look uninformed and illiterate of religions.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Can't stop,

Won't stop,

Gods will,

Not mine,

Amen

Wow. You must be possessed. So much for free-will

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Can't stop,

Won't stop,

Gods will,

Not mine,

Amen

Guess what-----that isn't on topic either. More distruption of the theme. It is consistent pattern for which you show no intention of not doing. You like being a fly at the picnic.

Good, I have an airplane ticket for you to Afghanistan and a Koran, a box of matches. Lets see you demonstrate there your god. I'll bring the film crew too. Show us your god.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Instead of telling everyone to remain on topic, start imparting your masonic wisdom on the subject. We continue to discuss the matter, and you don't post a whole lot.

Take part in the conversation. Tell us your masonic secrets regarding this discussion. Teach us.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

Instead of telling everyone to remain on topic, start imparting your masonic wisdom on the subject. We continue to discuss the matter, and you don't post a whole lot.

Take part in the conversation. Tell us your masonic secrets regarding this discussion. Teach us.

I am not a Mason, so I don't have Masonic Secrets. But I do dig around looking for their secrets. Masons have valuable insights and their Encyclopeia is most interesting. Most of their information is online for anyone to dig up.

Yesterday, I tossed out 6 listings. Then the typical organized religion gang has to come get off theme. Same old junk of come believe in our book and let us save you nonsense, all about recruitment and this one more prime example. Recritment is supposed to be against ATS rules.

Of late, taking part in the conversations gets into getting off the theme. It is a pattern of disruption by two persons games.

So, if one looks at today. I listed the theme of Koran as that Masons did appear to read some of these themes. I added a little deeper look at Mohammad to see that he and Moses have some common themes and like environments. Midian and Mecca are very close environmentally, both surrounded with volcanic and rift issues. Moses associated with Fire and Mohammad with Flame.

Then, it gets into the games of the organized churches having to say more off topic attempts to get off into attacks on the persons and trying to sell their lower realm nonsense. If they aren't recruiting they are name calling for not following them, as the world can only be of their little definition.

I toss out about one item a day. Today was the insights that Moses and Mohammad have common issues. Some make some useful comments and contribute well and I'll send them good salutations.


I think everyone sees the pattern with these two and they are either calling names or recruiting folks to their nonsense. They never discuss the theme and try to pull it into way off discussions.

There are also similarity's between Akhenaten and Moses.
Both Monotheists both went against the established doctrines of Egypt
Ahkenaten 18th dynasty sought a return to a more naturalistic approach and closed down the corrupt Temples
Now by corrupt I mean they had become worshipers of graven images who held the people in ignorance and believing in multi gods and "Mumbo Jumbo" rituals
However this was a corruption of the original Philosophy of Egypt which Akhenaten and also Masons acknowledge

reply to post by artistpoet


Wasn't Akhenaten the one who discovered immortality, and then was thrown down?

SpiritScience mentioned something about that.

Additionally, I'm wondering if any of you could add to this:

Jesus Not Real

Read what it has to say and add your thoughts here, I guess.

reply to post by Starchild23


It's absolutely true that Jesus was a common name. The Jesus of The Bible however, has WAY to many similarities with The Pagan Gods to be true...

Qualities of All Pagan Savior Gods:

- Called "The Son of God" and "The King of King"
- Baptized at 13
- Virgin Birth
- Start preaching at 30
- Died for 3 days and resurrected

All of this relates to Jesus.

Jesus is called "The Good Shepard" which is the same thing the son of Amen-Ra (the eye) is supposed to be called. Jesus is also called "The Chief Corner Stone" which was written in Ancient Greek in The Bible to mean "The pyramid". We all know about the eye in the pyramid...

Let's not even mention the fact that those who claim to have seen Jesus personally, whether it be through a Near Death Experience, or awake, they can NEVER agree on how he looks...

Some say blue eyes, some see brown eyes... They also can NEVER agree on his personality. Why a European looking Jesus when Jesus was supposed to be in the middle east? Yes, there are some light skinned folks over there, but European looking - in ancient times? Come on! Some says that he was "Condemning and Scary and wanted worship" some say "He was forgiving and loving"...

Some even says that Jesus believe in reincarnation when they seen him personally, and some say he is trying to save our souls from "eternal" damnation (implying only one life)...

Those who claim to have seen Jesus can not even agree on what he is like or even what he looks like! That should be a big clue for everyone.

If someone is to say " maybe he can change form" I must reply "Why call him Jesus then?" , If he can change form AND personality then that is just an existence taking on personalities....



There are just way too many similarities...

Originally posted by artistpoet
There are also similarity's between Akhenaten and Moses.
Both Monotheists both went against the established doctrines of Egypt
Ahkenaten 18th dynasty sought a return to a more naturalistic approach and closed down the corrupt Temples
Now by corrupt I mean they had become worshipers of graven images who held the people in ignorance and believing in multi gods and "Mumbo Jumbo" rituals
However this was a corruption of the original Philosophy of Egypt which Akhenaten and also Masons acknowledge

edit on 6-5-2012 by artistpoet because: typo

I'll have to see if the Mason's Encyclopedia gets into Akhenaten much.


I think when it gets down to Egypt, that most of the oldest gods were symbols/Icons from older cultures and they made them up from characteristics in nature with animals and planets. I suppose some could not read, so the symbolsms became the story to be worshiped.

Moses just got tired of fake gods and said it is all about nature, not self aggrandizing persons, and tossed out all the extra human linked gods and even images for them.

So, we'll find Nimrod as some look alike Egyptian Icon god, and Semiramis another, Nimrod and so on. The Egyptians cloned lots of what worked in Babylon and before. Moses wanted to unclone the bad ideas of humans being god or even an icon for god.

Moses could not even get the updates of his visions about god down well enough and the best he managed were some simpler laws to avoid the huge numbers before. And some magic of nature with poison minerals that made the power of the Ark, that also contained some written rules, and a little 7 point light nearby as the public symbol. Moses messed up because he could not explain the simple truths, and they returned to Babyon's cow.


But even today, what Moses did with tossing out human Icons as god has been forgotten. Though the Moses examples for god at Midian was on the power of nature and that only came from an intelligent designer, even that has become lost.

The simple truth is what started Monotheism was Moses tossing out Humans trying to play god, and the symbolisms of Egypt that spelled out the same worship of humans.


Jesus might have started out with good intentions, but he so screwed it all up with overly complicarted games of expresions that it is worthless these days. Jesus finushed up with the golden cow being put in his place also, as Jesus was rebuilt into Babylon's god theme of human gods.


Slowly the world is tossing out these concepts of god. We've managed to toss out most of the Monarchy types that claim rights from religion. We need to continue with tossing out the churches as pagan nonsense that rejects that all we know is there is an intelligent order which the churches don't represent. Churches today do what Moses detested in making Jesus god.

Churches have been only about power and control, which is what the gods of Egypt were about via priests retelling stories. What the theme of Royals and rule were about stem from this old process. What the churches of today are about in steering more money into the royals profit margin.

Bring on the times where science replaces priests, where royalty is known for inequality and exploitation, and the times are about equal and happy. Not just a few that make up fantastic stories.


Isn't it wonderful how some can quote a book extensively and all the while give up their equalities. The Earth's resources are everyone's and all should benefit from the uses and profits. Yet, with corporatism there remains the Kings building greater wealth, and the poor getting poorer. Kings no longer need thrones or Empire, yet their money still pulls the strings, and religion keeps the masses occupied with nonsense that didn't speak to Jesus socialism issues.

The biggest fraud of the Bible is the blatant methods used to avoid teaching about equality for all, and that Jesus lived in a Socialism world.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Jesus might have started out with good intentions, but he so screwed it all up with overly complicarted games of expresions that it is worthless these days.

Word of mouth was the system back then. Not many people actually wrote stuff down. So it was an exagerrated version of the telephone game...no wonder few people have it right today.

What I'd like to find is the original, truthful version of the story. Chances are, it's ashes by now...or crushed clay.

reply to post by arpgme


I think what they saw was whatever they wanted to see, or needed to see. Something fabricated from their own beliefs.

As I have said, belief is more powerful than truth...to the point that some people will deny truth at the door, preferring their own peaceful delusions. Such is the way of Homo Sapiens.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by artistpoet

 

Wasn't Akhenaten the one who discovered immortality, and then was thrown down?

SpiritScience mentioned something about that.

Additionally, I'm wondering if any of you could add to this:

Jesus Not Real

Read what it has to say and add your thoughts here, I guess.

edit on CSundaypm292955f55America/Chicago06 by Starchild23 because: (no reason given)

I guess Akhenaten like all of us could have discovered Immortality
He was a real person born of Queen Tiye his father being Amenothis 3rd
Akhenaten was the husband of Nefertiti and father of Tutenaten later called Tutankhamen.
Akhenaten came to power as Pharaoh and is called the Heretic Pharaoh.
He like many sought the ancient secrets of wisdom and closed the corrupt Temples of Amun
He was a poet and lover of nature who never fought any wars but chose to trade and talk with Egypt's old enemy's
A few believe he was actually Moses through his Mother related to Joseph of the Bible
Joseph being Yuya and member of the Pharonic court.
Akhenaten father Amenothis the third (I think) went against the Amun priesthood by marrying a commoner IE not of the bloodline. This being Tiye daughter of Yuya and Thuya.
It was Amenothis who gave Tiye the title of Queen to spite the priesthood of Amun
When Ahkenaten came to power he took it a whole stage firther and closed the Amun Temples down
Also built a new city Tel El Armana north of the capital of Thebes
All who wanted a new way based on nature followed him there.
Ahkenaten was overthrown by the treachery of Haromheb the military leader of the Nubian army that had protected Tel El Armana and in collusion with the Amun priesthood - Any way Ahkenaten mysteriously disappeared (could this be Moses)
Nefertiti took Tutenaten to Thebes and pleaded for mercy for her son
This was granted if Tutenaten aged 8 recanted and took the new name of Tutankhamen in honour of Amun their god. Which he did - However Nefertiti was murdered a year later in a most brutal fashion by the priests of Amun.
Tutankhamun or Tutankhamen as we know him was puppet Pharoah for the Amun priesthood
When he came to the age of 18 he too died - he was probaly murdered also for by 18 he must have found his voice and become a "Problem"
At the time all records of Akhenaten were deliberately erased from Egyptian History and spells cast so his name would not be remembered and so he would not have Immortality according to the corrupt ideas of the Amun priesthood - Of course those priest were deluded and how they would curse knowing Akhenaten name is known some 3,500 or so years later.
One famous saying of Akhenaten was "The Sun shines equal upon all"

reply to post by artistpoet


Supposedly, he discovered immortality through the 88 gods of Egypt, which actually corresponded to the chromosomes. There were originally 44 or so gods. Different combinations were held in high esteem, according to which chakra system they unlocked. Immortality, The Third Eye, whatever.

That's how it started out. Time warped the info, unfortunately. SpiritScience tells more about it on Youtube.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by artistpoet

 

Supposedly, he discovered immortality through the 88 gods of Egypt, which actually corresponded to the chromosomes. There were originally 44 or so gods. Different combinations were held in high esteem, according to which chakra system they unlocked. Immortality, The Third Eye, whatever.

That's how it started out. Time warped the info, unfortunately. SpiritScience tells more about it on Youtube.

I know Akhenaten was interested in mystery schools. Part of his quest was to reincarnate ancient wisdom of the Original Egyptian Philosophy - In this philosophy god or goddess simply referred to natural laws.
Akhenaten did build a new Temple in Tel El Armana - though his idea of a Temple was that it was a school for learning truth - He insisted on Truth and said a day in school (Temple) lasts a lifetime
The dude was into everything it seems. Lover of Science and Art.
His time is known as The Egyptian Renaissance of Art of and Science

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Yes what you speak of resonates
Jesus understood and never placed himself above any
He knew that all are of the same wondrous source as himself his soul
He saw the divinity in all as he saw it in his soul
Yes there is said to be a very ancient Celtic prophesy
There will come a time when there will no longer be Kings or priests and this will be a new Golden Age for Humanity
Supposedly this started around 2000 as this is the time when the Duat stars (Brightest close stars on which so many Myths are based) align all ancient monuments and even natural features such as Mountains - It is a supposed window called the star mirror which last for 200 years or so until it is completed.
But who knows the truth of the ins and outs of all this - all one can do is go with the flow of awakening one's soul

reply to post by artistpoet

Yes there is said to be a very ancient Celtic prophesy
There will come a time when there will no longer be Kings or priests and this will be a new Golden Age for Humanity

Yeah? I have mostly Celtic blood....(some Nordic, too)....
I like this idea..this very ancient prophecy...
no more Kings or priests.
*sighs a breath of relief*
A new Golden Age.
Thank God,.... erm, wait! No, uh, I mean 'heaven', I mean...oh crikey.....goodness.....
(Cake or death?) Seriously, I'd like to know more about this prophesy..

reply to post by wildtimes


I got the prophesy from a book I read over twenty years ago - I can not recall the title or author unfortunately.
The book was Scandinavian perhaps Danish I am not sure.
The book is based on ancient texts which were passed down through a family and recorded 7000 years or so of their history - I can not vouch for it's authenticity but it felt right and made an impression on me
It spoke of a time when the ice sheets retreated from Britain
How Tin was mined by slave labor. The slave labor being criminals who were sent over from Scandinavia or what we know as Viking today. These criminals wore markings depending upon their crime either a blue cross IE like the St Andrew Cross of Scotland or a red Cross as in the cross of St George.
The book claimed these symbols were very ancient.
The book proposed that these slaves were liberated by a Female who is remembered in Mythology - sorry to be so vague. And that this is who the original Celts of Britain were.
It speaks of the tribes in Scandinavia who were knowledgeable in Astronomy and Sea faring.
Their community's held the Wise Woman of the community as guide. The wise woman was self evident to them IE the wisest woman of the community.
These community's would trade and travel far
At home they were often attacked by hostile and barbaric tribes. Because of this every child was taught the skills of warfare to defend their community.
They divided their lands equally so all were equal and indeed all shared and those unable to were cared for and honored.
If they took prisoners in battle they had a unique way of treating them.
They would separate them from the main community but also allow them to tend alloted land and they too were cared for but not allowed to partake of the traditional celebrations.
They kept the prisoners for a couple of years and then sent them back to their own people so they could tell of their treatment - It was hoped this would help end the barbarism of the times
The prophesy is what I wrote before.
But I can not recall the book etc though I have searched for it since
I can not vouch for it's authenticity only to say it rang bells with me.
I too am of Celtic blood being of Welsh descent
We have a such a rich history and dare I say I am proud to be associated with it

reply to post by artistpoet

It speaks of the tribes in Scandinavia who were knowledgeable in Astronomy and Sea faring.
Their community's held the Wise Woman of the community as guide. The wise woman was self evident to them IE the wisest woman of the community.
These community's would trade and travel far
At home they were often attacked by hostile and barbaric tribes. Because of this every child was taught the skills of warfare to defend their community.
They divided their lands equally so all were equal and indeed all shared and those unable to were cared for and honored.
If they took prisoners in battle they had a unique way of treating them.
They would separate them from the main community but also allow them to tend alloted land and they too were cared for but not allowed to partake of the traditional celebrations.

Heh...this is what I've been telling folks how I would "run things"......makes so much more sense...smaller communities, everyone pitches in to the best of their ability, everyone is cared for. "no new ideas under the sun" is right. Makes me wonder about ancestral memories....or reincarnation....

reply to post by wildtimes

Yes I think the same way small community's that help and support each other.
Self reliance and liberty
Yes I believe in reincarnation and we hold the same truths form life to life

The Masons also teach about art appreciation and they appear to believe that artists like DaVinci and Michaenglo were both Masons. One of the biggest paintings is the Last Supper of Jesus by DaVinci, which is drawn off the Lord's Supper that the Essene appear to have originated. The Last Supper was held on the level above the Tomb of David in the Essene area and this was the Upper Room. The Last Supper featured bread and wine as the food from the Lord.

There is much said about the painting itself, but there is also an issue of the Lord's Prayer itself, which many don't connect to helping solved a number of the Biblical Miracles as just related to the issues of nature.

blog.adw.org...

A Hidden, Mysterious, and Much Debated Word in the Our Father

5.Supernatural bread – But St. Jerome also says in the same place: We can also understand supersubstantial bread in another sense as bread that is above all substances and surpasses all creatures (ibid). In this sense he also seems to see it linked to the Eucharist. When he translated the text into Latin as the Pope had asked him to do he rendered it rather literally: panem nostrum supersubstantialem da nobis hodie (give us today our supersubstantial bread). If you look up the text of Matthew 6:11 in the Douay Rheims Bible you will see the word “supersubstantial” since that English text renders the Vulgate Latin quite literally.

Is there a supernatural bread that the Essene knew about and it appears there is one.

What too many fail to connect is that the Essene had their own special method for making bread, and it is sometimes called "Ezekial Bread" after the ways he learned in the desert survival. It comes from the methods of survival in the desert and a technique of taking small amounts of grains and making larger volumes of food with enhanced nutrition. Both Ezekial and Jesus followed the learning process in the desert. The method is a simple one of using sprouted grains to greatly enhance the volume of the grains and make a sun cooked bread that enhances enzyme production in the body and supports aboundant health. It is detailed as to what it is below.

en.wikipedia.org...

Essene BreadEssene Bread is a very primitive form of sprouted grain bread. It is often eaten uncooked, or slightly heated, by proponents of raw foods.[1].[2]. The Essenes, a Jewish religious group that flourished from the 2nd century BC to the 1st century AD, are credited with the technique and basic recipes for Essene bread,[5] which is made from sprouted wheat and prepared at a low temperature. These two practices ensure the maximum possible vitamin content for this foodstuff.[6] The sprouting also breaks down the lectins and other substances that some individuals may be sensitive or allergic to.

The following is an excerpt from The Essene Gospel of Peace, as translated by Edmund Bordeaux Szekely.

"Let the angels of God prepare your bread. Moisten your wheat, that the angels of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, that the angel of air may embrace it. And leave it from morning to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend upon it. And the blessings of the three angels will soon make the germ of life to sprout in your wheat. Then crush your grain, and make thin wafers, as did your forefathers when they departed out of Egypt, the house of bondage. Put them back again beneath the sun from its appearing, and when it is risen to its highest in the heavens, turn them over on the other side that they may be embraced there also by the angel of sunshine, and leave them there until the sun sets. For the angels of water, and air and of sunshine fed and ripened the wheat in the field, and they likewise must prepare also your bread. And the same sun which, with the fire of life, made the wheat to grow and ripen, must cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life to the wheat, to the bread, and to the body. But the fire of death kills the wheat, the bread, and the body. And the living angels of the living God serve only living men. For God is the God of the living, and not the God of the dead.[7]
A typical Essene bread recipe: 1. Sprout wheat berries over the course of about 4 days, rinsing twice daily. 2. In a food processor, add sprouted wheat berries and other choice ingredients. 3. Once the dough has formed into a ball in processor and clings together, let sit for an hour. 4. Bake on oiled baking sheet at 300°F ( 150°C ) for 2.5 hours. To preserve more enzymes, bake at 200°F ( 95°C ) for 4 hours, or in a slow cooker on its low setting for up to 8 hours.

Though the modern method involves the use of an oven rather than the sun, both methods create a round, flattened loaf, rather like a sweet, moist dessert bread or cake.

So, this method takes a tiny volume of grains and transforms them into a much larger volume of living sprouts that gain nutrients from the soils and the air itself. The Essene had a sort of living bread akin to sprouts of salad bars. If one drops the sprouts on the ground they grew quickly and gain in volume and mass. The technique is related to Jesus feeding large masses using these techniques of the desert survival. Were these methods miracles or were they best uses of nature's ways of grains as food stuffs.

The Last Supper painting has been discussed before and brought out the other special feature of the Holy Land that is the Boron in the soils and waters of this region that makes the effect of multiply much more hearty as boron in the soils enhance grain growth and nutritional value. So, in addition to the 4 groups of 3 disciples imagery and the big V shape between Jesus and Mary, there exists an even deeper and more hidden meaning that unlocks more of the mystery from the Last Supper of Bread and Wine. One has to study the Essene Ways to find the deeper message and their living super bread that multiplies quickly based on sprouts. The Essene had a sort of living bread that promoted abundant health and long life that they learned from the deserts.

It appears the word in question in the Lord's Prayer relates to these lost bits of knowledge and techniques on how things were different and in many ways better in those times.