European laws encourage anti-Muslim prejudice, Amnesty says

I fully agree with this report by Amnesty.
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European laws on what girls and women wear on their heads are encouraging discrimination against Muslims and against a religion that has been part of Europe's fabric for centuries, Amnesty International says in a new report.

Extremist political movements targeting Muslim practices for criticism have enjoyed a rise in several European countries — as witnessed by French far right leader Marine Le Pen's surprisingly strong showing in presidential elections this week.

Many Europeans wrongly assume all Muslims are immigrants, even though Islam has been a leading religion in Europe for centuries, the report notes. That makes the discrimination especially painful for the millions of Muslims born in Europe who are told to “go home” — when they have no other “home” to flee to.

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Either integrate into your host society, or leave and go to where your social norms are accepted.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Either integrate into your host society, or leave and go to where your social norms are accepted.

Aren't Europeans free to practice any religion they want ?
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European laws on what girls and women wear on their heads are encouraging discrimination against Muslims and against a religion that has been part of Europe's fabric for centuries, Amnesty International says in a new report.

Besides the fact that Amnesty International's assertion that the burqas have not been part of Europe's fabric for centuries undermines the organisation's credibility, support for banning the Burqa is strong in Europe.

Support in European countries for banning the Burqa:-

Britain in 2010 - 62%

Spain in 2010 - 59%

France in 2010 - 82%

Germany in 2010 - 71%

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Why does Amnesty International spends so much money and energy trying to force Europe to accept the burqa yet spends so little time or money trying to further the rights of women in the Middle East?

Frankly, I've grown weary of all this multiculturalism. This is going to be horribly non-PC, but there are some facets of Western culture that are vastly superior to Middle Eastern culture. And that's what it's about: the full hijab isn't about religious modesty, it's about some psycho desert culture that can't get out of the Bronze Age. I don't want psycho desert culture ruining the gender equality that has only just in the last century been really flourishing in West.

What would happen if all the non-Muslims started wearing burkas?

Originally posted by samsamm9
I fully agree with this report by Amnesty.

Islam has been a leading religion in Europe for centuries, the report notes.

What a blatant LIE!

Amnesty fails to say that, in France, for instance, a majority of muslims are against the burqa, it is not religious but cultural and regional, worn only in a few areas in the Islamic world by fundamentalists mainly salafists.

Egypt purges niqab from schools and colleges

So France has recently banned niqabs and burqas which cover the face entirely. There was an estimation of several hundreds women wearing full covering veils.

Hijabs which cover the head are banned in public schools ONLY. Since 2004 and with all other religious signs but the law was truly written against hijabs, let me explain this one.

French public schools provide a secular education since 1882 (Jules Ferry laws). Of course, there is no crosses in schools since then. It took more than a hundred years of sometimes violent struggle after the French Revolution to kick the church out of schools and public affairs. For decades, the French Republic was deemed anti-clerical.

For the second part of the XXth century at least, religious signs were not a problem as no one would have dared bring religion in public schools, there was a consensus around secular education. Kippahs were not a problem as no student would have entered a public school with a kippah, it was just unthinkable and would have been considered a provocation and a tentative to challenge the principles of secular education.

A few young women wearing hijabs broke this tacit contract and after years of conciliation and discussion with the Muslims community leaders to find a less drastic solution, it forced a law.
Domestically, it didn't cause a stir outside ideological debate, it was only a few individuals breaking tacit rules. Most French muslims support secular education.

Now good luck telling the French they have discriminating laws against the muslims. They have been there with the Church. It is called secularism. Religion is banned from the public sphere, freedom of religion is a right in the private sphere.

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Amnesty fails to say that, in France, for instance, a majority of muslims are against the burqa, it is not religious but cultural and regional, worn only in a few areas in the Islamic world by fundamentalists mainly salafists

You see more Hijab being worn, many countries outlaw burqa for obvious reasons and both should be outlawed. There is no reason why women should be forced to wear demeaning clothing that emphasizes that they are less than equal to males.

Originally posted by zilebeliveunknown

Originally posted by samsamm9
I fully agree with this report by Amnesty.

Islam has been a leading religion in Europe for centuries, the report notes.

What a blatant LIE!

You are obviously ignorant about history

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The vast majority of Muslims are also for a ban on the burqa, since it has nothing to do with Islam.
But I also don't think any government should dictate how someone should dress.

Amnesty International is nothing more than Soros's pet fund. There always is an ulterior motive. The timing of this report coincides with the political shifts across Europe. Namely France! Coincidence? I think not! It always amazes me how these little pet groups get so much media space. Amazing.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Either integrate into your host society, or leave and go to where your social norms are accepted.

Right. And when did it become wrong to not want an undesirable activity taking place in our homes? Why should it be any different in our countries? Am I an ingrate because I don't want people in my home that are a bad influence on my children, that dress up in a way that makes them completely covered so I don't even know who they are or what they might be concealing? I mean, it's MY home for god's sake. I mean, it's MY country for god's sake. I don't see this as prejudice in any way.

Part of the fabric, yes.

In a good way? No.

Leading religion? Not unless it's leading us the way back to the 12th Century.

I'd argue that Muslims refusal to integrate and preference to isolate themselves causes anti-Musim prejudice myself.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Manouche

 

Amnesty fails to say that, in France, for instance, a majority of muslims are against the burqa, it is not religious but cultural and regional, worn only in a few areas in the Islamic world by fundamentalists mainly salafists

You see more Hijab being worn, many countries outlaw burqa for obvious reasons and both should be outlawed. There is no reason why women should be forced to wear demeaning clothing that emphasizes that they are less than equal to males.

The burqa is demeaning, the chador - or hijab as you call it, if worn by a woman's own choice is none of your business. Whether she be wearing it in the streets or in her home, or even in your home or in a church. It's NONE of your business. I don't like it myself, but it's none of my business to tell them what they should or should not wear as long as it is within the boundaries of law.

I see the regular racists and bigots are flocking to this thread already. Enjoy.

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I'd argue that Muslims refusal to integrate and preference to isolate themselves causes anti-Musim prejudice myself.

And Muslims that have lived in Europe for several generations do not count as citizens to you. Thanks for showing us your racist colors.

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So, remind me again which race Muslims are? You know, since I'm racist?

reply to post by DarthMuerte


Ha! That's what white americans have been telling black americans since slavery ended . Be like us so we will accept you.. See how's that gone huh?

Everything looks nice and lofty up there hmm? Yea, thinks look dicey in the Mid East, especially with the Arab Spring in all, but really the West is a knats ass awhile from ripping itself apart. And considering European and American history where genocide and whole sale murder gets glossed over like everywhere else, that statement is merely typical of the ignorant masses.

And it tells us how misinformed the masses are in regards to that religion.

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You denigrating Muslims as if they are all foreigners is racism.

It's YOUR brain that makes them into foreigners.

In case you wonder: I'm more amazed by comments such as the ones you made, because Muslims are not a race. Yet, your stance towards them shows that you believe they are. How else would they have to integrate when they've lived in a country in Europe for generations? That fact alone shows that they are integrated. Yet you insist they are not because they want to follow some stupid religious tradition.

It's amazing how intellectually weak racists are. I don't even believe in different races, just the human race. So it's that much more amazing to me how you folk divide people into boxes to make it easier to judge people.

reply to post by ollncasino

Why does Amnesty International spends so much money and energy trying to force Europe to accept the burqa yet spends so little time or money trying to further the rights of women in the Middle East?

Well that is just a plain BS statement. Amnesty International reports on all aspects of Human Rights abuse in all countries (atleast those it can obtain access to) from states such as Saudi Arabia, Yeman and Syria to states such as Sweden and Norway. For example while it has extensive reports on well known human rights abusers such as Saudi Arabia it all has reports highlight areas for improvement in states such as Norway which apparently has an inadequate social security system and institutional capacity for the mentaly disabled.

Your statement had no prior investiagation and you are just pulling random thoughts out of your arse.... esentially. Please post Amnesty International's budget before making crap up on the spot. You probably actually convinced some ATS members here.