FOX News Painfully Admits That Ron Paul Will Win Iowa

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by freakjive

 

The point it illustrates is that you must INDEED me SPECIFICALLY MASONIC affiliated..it says it right there in the rules of admission you posted.

lol...

If fake URLs are created so easily you could have at least posted a fake URL that demonstrates your point.

edit on 25-4-2012 by femalepharoe because: (no reason given)

You're just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. Read the other affiliations. It DOES NOT mean that Ron Paul is a freaking mason. Her father, brother, uncle, etc could have been her affiliation. It says so RIGHT IN THE IMAGE I POSTED!!!

I did post a fake URL. It's right there.

I'm done with this discussion.

Originally posted by freakjive

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by freakjive

 

Just posted this in another thread:
www.youtube.com... - can't embed this one?
What the heck is going on here...besides fraud? The Iowa State GOP chairman Steve Strawn resigns after the confusion.
Looks like Ron Paul may win Minnesota too.

spec

edit on 24-4-2012 by speculativeoptimist because: (no reason given)

Let's try this link (the YT code in your video was longer than normal):

Good stuff, Spec!

>> Good luck on the RP election. I'm mostly a Democratic/Independent voter (for lack of actual Liberals or Progressives or people of integrity to vote for) -- but I wish we had a media and an election system that honored the vote. Robbing RP of the will of the voter is a crime against everyone.

And just remember -- it was that lone "token Liberal" Rachel Maddow who brought this to air. You might not agree with her, but she doesn't lie.

I figure Ron Paul is possibly a person who isn't sold out -- I don't see policies as so much important as integrity these days. And the system is corrupt.

Also, I'm a bit of an anarchist because I figure we are SO CORRUPT at the top -- we have nobody with the power to act who will act to correct the direction we are in. So even if RP's ideas will collapse the economy by killing off demand, that's not the WORST thing that can happen. The WORST thing is this slow and steady robbing of the middle class and turning us all into indentured servants.

You guys might fear the mommy state -- but right now, it's only breast feeding the Oligarchs

So...in other words,

Ron Paul is a Mason?

Originally posted by freakjive

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by freakjive

 

Have you ever heard of lying?

1. Why is that page denied on Paul's site?? Obviously it was there
2. How is it that Paul's wife is an Eastern Star and he is NOT a Mason?


Just use some common sense on these two questions.

Yes...let's use your logic in the same way.

Point 1 - A fake URL can be created at will, on-the-fly. Say for instance: www.abovetopsecret.com/fairydust/magicsprites/

Originally posted by freakjive

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by freakjive

 

The point it illustrates is that you must INDEED me SPECIFICALLY MASONIC affiliated..it says it right there in the rules of admission you posted.

lol...

If fake URLs are created so easily you could have at least posted a fake URL that demonstrates your point.

edit on 25-4-2012 by femalepharoe because: (no reason given)

You're just being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. Read the other affiliations. It DOES NOT mean that Ron Paul is a freaking mason. Her father, brother, uncle, etc could have been her affiliation. It says so RIGHT IN THE IMAGE I POSTED!!!

I did post a fake URL. It's right there.

I'm done with this discussion.

My dad was a Mason. His total experience with it was; "it was a bunch of guys who liked to have fun being secretive, but beyond the stupid greetings and hats, it was just a charity organization." He had the ring, and never signed away his soul.

Maybe their is a "secret evil sub group" -- but that's about as common as every other huge organization. There are a LOT of people vaguely related to someone who was a mason. There are also a lot of Mormons who don't know their church has used funds for death squads. Also -- a lot of people are related or know a few people in the military. Did you know they KILL people?

As far as RP and masons -- I don't care. I care that his son is kind of a racist -- but that's also not such a big deal anymore, because the ALTERNATIVE is a few greasy cats who are selling us out.

Here's an idea, instead of debating about Masonry how about you look at the guy for what he stands for and what he believes in? If you are attacking Masonry outright it is clear you have no idea what it really is, and fear it. Only the very upper echelon of Masonry is what I would consider "bad". I am not a Mason, but I have known a few, and all 32nd or below. What do they do? Raise charity funds, help sick kids in hospitals, give out free food, etc. REALLY SCARY!

He has wrote with his own pen he is not a Mason. There is no more defense he needs to give, Ron Paul is not known to be a big liar and everyone here cannot debate that. His voting record is congruous with this fact.

Now, when you REALLY get down to it, think about this guy and what he believes. I took one of his latest speeches (just a few minutes long) and I created a micro-transcription (for those who don't like watching videos.)

This is the source to watch it if you want
www.youtube.com...

Now, here is my quick transcribe, it will be broken up into two posts

:58 - admittance of huge economic mess
1:06 - reason for that is that we don't have enough politicians in Washington that took their oath of office seriously and have not obeyed the Constitution.
(major applause, standing ovation, chanting)
1:16 analogy of putting a frog in boiling water, it will jump right out. However if you start out cool and slowly turn up the heat, the frog will die in the pot, he believes the water is getting way too hot and we need to get out NOW
(major applause)
1:48 - with bigger government we don't get too fat and lazy, we starved. We are starving of liberty and it starves our productivity as a nation
2:14 - quick talk about student debt and a segue into national debt, and how our country is now based on it.
2:24 - We're in a worldwide debt crises, biggest in history
2:29 - Orchestrated by the dollar reserve standard
2:30 - and if/when elected President, I will ...(didn't get to finish)
(applause)
2:50 - to emphasise importance of debt financing, wants to cut budget by 1 trillion in the first year
(applause, chanting)
3:05 - believes in the Creator, believes that our liberties come from the Creator in a natural way, you have a natural right to your life and liberty, why shouldn't you be able to keep the fruits of your labor? It belongs to you.
3:20 - The founding fathers didn't give us an income tax, we got that back in 1913, almost 100 years ago.
3:41 - wonders if we could plan a celebration for next year, we could repeal the 16th amendment and repeal the Federal Reserve Act
(thunderous applause)

continuing -

4:00 - The FED will end because of course it is a non-viable system, it is non viable just like Socialism or Fascism, it will usually collapse on itself and this system will too.
4:07 - Wellfare-ism, Inflation-ism, Big government, Authoritarian-ism, eventually collapses if you don't go towards a total authoritarian dictatorship.
4:20 - you have to restore it by returning to Liberty.
4:30 - a big difference between our last campaign, a lot of support and a lot of enthusiasm, but...
4:40 - the financial crisis came, which was predicted by the Austrian economists, and people are now very concerned. Everyone knows it is not over with, deficits are exploding.
5:00 - it all came from government too big, taxing too much, spending too much, borrowing too much, regulating too much, and printing too much money.
5:10 - Crisis hit, everyone admitted we are in one, and what did they do? Increased spending, increased borrowing, increased regulation, and increased printing money, and then they wondered why it hasn't ended [the crisis.]
5:20 - what we need to do is restore our economy to free market, get the government off our backs, unregulated.
(applause)
5:40 - Inflation is here, destruction of currency, the reason the middle class is being undermined, during an inflationary period the wealth is transferred from the middle class and poor to the weathy. Most people recognize it but don't understand why
5:55 - there is a 99/1. Look at the bailouts! The wealthy got the money, they were supposed to provide housing for the poor, but they bailed the derivatives and the middle class lost their jobs
6:12 - we aren't told the truth often. Employment and inflation figures are fudged, the reason we go to war is a lie
6:35 don't let the President go to war without coming to Congress
6:48 "Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies" If you tell the truth you can get yourself into trouble. I'm convinced truth wins out in the end.
7:14 People are waking up, the information is there, there is a tide of change, the seeds planted.
7:38 Samuel Adam's advice is to not wait for the 21%, just get that irate minority starting the brushfire of freedom in the minds of men, and we'll come out all right
8:00 Everyplace I go, I find more organizations, more people studying, reading about the Federal Reserve, For the first time in 100 years, so there's reason to be optimistic.
8:18 - What I do is make the case for individual liberty, believing that liberty is something that comes to us in a very special way, in that we had a good experiment that the Constitution would protect us. I believe if we did that, I believe it would introduce once again the notion and goals we should have, and restore peace AND prosperity for the United Sates of America, thank you very much


Now here's my point. This guy believes these things, do you?

reply to post by NightFlight


He's NOT??

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>



www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...


Don't kid yourself.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


Actually, it should be noted that I have no problems with freemasons. I wouldn't have any difference of opinion of Ron Paul if he was in-fact a member.

All of the freemasons that I know or have known personally have all been upstanding citizens who would give you the shirt off their back if you were in need.

The only point I was making is that Ron Paul has said it himself. He is not nor ever has been a freemason.

We're just bearing witness to his haters contriving whatever they can to make him look bad.

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by NightFlight

 

He's NOT??

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>



www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...


Don't kid yourself.

Woah you are talking about Obama not RP.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
So...in other words,

Ron Paul is a Mason?

AND the other guy is a Mormon.

Obama was trained by the CIA.


So like, your options are Boomba, Death by boomba, or just double boomba -- either way, you are going to get "boomba'd".

Stick to real issues and how they've pushed policies - the ONLY affiliation that matters has dollar signs attached. Both leading candidates on both sides have a lot of friendly Wall Street dollars which means NO investigations. Both candidates are going to allow the Oil companies to build their stinking pipeline down from Canada to kill off the competition and raise prices in the future -- if they don't get this windfall, they raise or lower gas prices to help the person get elected who will most likely help them.

The money follows the most corrupt. Whoever sells out the most will get the best press, and the best "kudos" from Big Oil, Big War and Big Banking. Reagan was an economic genius, until we had the S&L fiasco and 800 people went to jail. Back then -- we had a system where 800 fat cats could go to jail. Today we don't.


>> So I don't agree with Ron Paul on almost anything -- but I do see why people are fed up. You don't have to agree with someone to respect them.

reply to post by fourthmeal


Well As a black person , his "stance" never has been ...cleared up (shall we say)..for me. BUT, to each his own.

However, people who have sworn allegiance to others have little room for Us - the people.

I wise man once said:

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions.

-JFK

reply to post by femalepharoe


Where do you find these sources?

Give this one a try:
Barack Obama NOT a Freemason

I won't stand for the validity of the link above, but it does appear to be from the Grand Lodge in British Columbia.

Interesting read either way...

This is about Ron Paul (not) being a Freemason, not Obama. I could give a flying F about Obama, his record precedes him like all before him, we know who he is

reply to post by fourthmeal


Relax.

My response with Link on Obama/Mason was a REPLY to a person saying that Obama was NOT a mason.

In all the hoopla its easy to skip a beat.

But that prooves my point. Romney is a Moorman (secret society/mason connections) there is even claims of Obama being trained by the CIA and possible Mason, and Ron is a Mason too...

how much more "difference" are you people Expecting????

reply to post by jjf3rd77

But I do wonder why you are listening to anything Rachel Maddow says. She is a far left liberal crack pot! If she begins to defend Ron Paul not sure if I can even start to begin to take him seriously. If I ever begin to.

What? So you're trying to suggest Maddow is lying about the number of delegates that Ron Paul has acquired? I eagerly await the proof you presumably intend to share on ATS that supports your claim that Rachel Maddow is lying about these numbers.

Originally posted by freakjive
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

Actually, it should be noted that I have no problems with freemasons. I wouldn't have any difference of opinion of Ron Paul if he was in-fact a member.

All of the freemasons that I know or have known personally have all been upstanding citizens who would give you the shirt off their back if you were in need.

The only point I was making is that Ron Paul has said it himself. He is not nor ever has been a freemason.

We're just bearing witness to his haters contriving whatever they can to make him look bad.

I have no problem with you pointing out that he is a mason, or defending that he isn't...
>> I'm just making the point that;
A) It doesn't matter.
B) Unless someone owes allegiance to another organization that might supersede America, it's a personal thing.
C) Candidates are going to NOT reveal things that alienate a lot of voters.

Like Ron Paul could be an atheist -- but no atheist can ever get elected in our current society. Being an atheist has no bearing on ethics and they aren't the people who blow themselves up.

Since freemasons are generally benign and don't evangelize themselves -- they aren't a PIA like so many other groups. Everybody has about 30% crazy in their heads -- so it just matters WHAT they are crazy about and how they apply it. If we throw stones about stupid things -- everybody will be stoned.

So that means the whole argument;
A) Doesn't matter.
B) Cannot be settled without video evidence.
C) Would only diminish the conversation on important subjects.

In other words; don't feed the trolls.

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by NightFlight

 

He's NOT??

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>



www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...


Don't kid yourself.

Nope, he's not.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

Originally posted by freakjive
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

Actually, it should be noted that I have no problems with freemasons. I wouldn't have any difference of opinion of Ron Paul if he was in-fact a member.

All of the freemasons that I know or have known personally have all been upstanding citizens who would give you the shirt off their back if you were in need.

The only point I was making is that Ron Paul has said it himself. He is not nor ever has been a freemason.

We're just bearing witness to his haters contriving whatever they can to make him look bad.

I have no problem with you pointing out that he is a mason, or defending that he isn't...
>> I'm just making the point that;
A) It doesn't matter.
B) Unless someone owes allegiance to another organization that might supersede America, it's a personal thing.
C) Candidates are going to NOT reveal things that alienate a lot of voters.

Like Ron Paul could be an atheist -- but no atheist can ever get elected in our current society. Being an atheist has no bearing on ethics and they aren't the people who blow themselves up.

Since freemasons are generally benign and don't evangelize themselves -- they aren't a PIA like so many other groups. Everybody has about 30% crazy in their heads -- so it just matters WHAT they are crazy about and how they apply it. If we throw stones about stupid things -- everybody will be stoned.

So that means the whole argument;
A) Doesn't matter.
B) Cannot be settled without video evidence.
C) Would only diminish the conversation on important subjects.

In other words; don't feed the trolls.

Ha! Took the words right out of my mouth.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by freakjive

We had been awfully quiet on this board until the last week or so in regards to Paul threads. I was afraid that the movement was dying. Well, it's really just getting started.

So you admit you are just here to spread Ron Paul propaganda? that's good to know! I'll be waiting for when he drops out in August! He might be able to sway some Romney and santorum voters but he's not going to win a single state tonight. Wait and see! 500 delegates down the drain right there. No way he can win!

PS I dont trust anything Rachel Maddow says, why do you?

edit on 24-4-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

Yep.

Anyone who talks about Ron Paul in a positive light is obviously spreading propaganda.