FOX News Painfully Admits That Ron Paul Will Win Iowa

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by KonquestAbySS

 

Not an Obamatard (you don't have to support Obama to dislike Ron Paul)...

It's funny how Paul-tards think that the only rational choice is Paul... and how many of them how so little clue what he actually believes in... Corporate monopolies, deregulation of all business, privatising all government activities... including education...

He'd happily replace democracy with corporate boards... sound good?

Go read some Ayn Rand, or maybe go read Adam Smith, actually read Wealth of Nations, and see how Paul actually stacks up...

Better still, ask why most Paul supporters don't support policies like complete deregulation of business, and also have no idea that their candidate of choice does...

If you have read those books and believe the mechanics within them will work (I do), you would be at the top of the list for Ron Paul supporters. Such dichotomy.

reply to post by NightFlight


I honestly don't think the Captain knows what is going on or how to even use references, if anything he praised RP for following the Adam Smith ideals on how to build prosperity.

Keyword: laissez faire

I'm not sure what isn't getting communicated properly, but if Ron Paul were to win the GOP nomination (which won't happen) he would easily be defeated by Obama. Here is why:

Straight ticket conservatives will likely vote for Ron Paul. This isn't enough to win the election.

Straight ticket liberals will likely vote for Obama. This isn't enough to win the election.

Now the moderate vote comes into play. How popular do you think Ron Paul is with the moderate vote? Not at all.

Elections are won by the way moderates vote.

I do not think that anyone is wrong for supporting Ron Paul. I don't like him and I won't ever consider voting for him, but I certainly don't begrudge anyone else choosing to do so. Just understand that his odds of winning the Presidency are about .00001%

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by freakjive

 

Just posted this in another thread:
www.youtube.com... - can't embed this one?
What the heck is going on here...besides fraud? The Iowa State GOP chairman Steve Strawn resigns after the confusion.
Looks like Ron Paul may win Minnesota too.

spec

edit on 24-4-2012 by speculativeoptimist because: (no reason given)

Even though it was a pretty good ron paul video. Pretty encouraging. I was really really creeped out the way she kept referring to the republican nomination as being on "script". I understand using it as a metaphor, but to keep repeating it throughout your whole segment. Lazy writing or hidden agenda?
hmm... interesting.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by phishfriar47

 

The thing is, your speculation, your overly optimistic speculation is based on two bizarre ideas:

- The GOP establishment changing it's mind and voting for Paul
- A 90% error rate in the projected vote

There's no ACTUAL reason to think EITHER of those will happen, much less BOTH.

edit on 25-4-2012 by captainnotsoobvious because: (no reason given)

Well i guess your reading comprehension is really terrible. I told you I was fine with that scenario, I am ok with him losing, if that is what happens AT THE CONVENTION. Until then I am reserving my judgement until i have FACTS, and i think my last paragraph said pretty much just that, heres the quote for good measure though.

"And thank you, I will continue to donate, and be verbal about Ron Pauls stance on issues, you can best believe that. I do not live in a delusional world, I will simply carry my faith to the convention where we will see what happens, and I will adjust as necessary according to those results. That is after all one of the best human traits, adaption to overcome any situation"

Do you not see me literally telling you that I will do what is necessary AFTER the results. Adapt to the outcome to overcome any undesired results.


You also missed one teeny tiny little tidbit, and these are your words not mine "- The GOP establishment changing it's mind and voting for Paul"

The GOP Establishment has little to do with who will get selected at the convention, That result is dictated largely by the DELEGATES. So when you have real factual information to back up your claims, then by all means, do so, but for now you have speculation, and that is what I am pointing out. Your arrogance knows no bounds apparently

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
I'm not sure what isn't getting communicated properly, but if Ron Paul were to win the GOP nomination (which won't happen) he would easily be defeated by Obama. Here is why:

Straight ticket conservatives will likely vote for Ron Paul. This isn't enough to win the election.

Straight ticket liberals will likely vote for Obama. This isn't enough to win the election.

Now the moderate vote comes into play. How popular do you think Ron Paul is with the moderate vote? Not at all.

Elections are won by the way moderates vote.

I do not think that anyone is wrong for supporting Ron Paul. I don't like him and I won't ever consider voting for him, but I certainly don't begrudge anyone else choosing to do so. Just understand that his odds of winning the Presidency are about .00001%

I guess the polls (since you seem to put stock in those results) that are saying Paul would actually BEAT Obama mean nothing to you then? If you are not going off of polls, then how do you know he cant pull any Democrats or Moderates? Have we had an election yet? No, we have only had a closed primary where mostly only Republicans have voted. So again, its a little premature to be touting predictions as facts with no information to back it up. And the info that is available (the polls) has only shown that Paul would be the ONLY likely candidate to beat Obama.

reply to post by MegaMind


The Prez is just not left enough for Chomsky is what that boils down to, and same goes with a lot of leftist radicals. Ironically, the Prez is way left of center. What does that say about someone like Chomsky? Just because someone says he is against war does not make him a morally valiant person. Communists and socialists use lots of human rights issues to make inroads. It is just a means to their ends. I have read on their webpages that they will take whatever stance on issues that will help them achieve their goals. One day they will be pro-war and the next they will be anti-war. Usually when a leftist is anti-war it is to stop us from fighting the communists and when they are pro-war it is always to help some leftist guerillas.

I also agree with your other post that people in the US seem to not have had enough of the chains of tyranny and the fight has barely begun.

Correct. I put zero stock on any poll for any reason. If he ran as a third party ticket, he would pull some votes from the left and the right. Not nearly enough, but he would get some. He would most certainly not win any state from the other two candidates.

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reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


kudos to you for bringing the premeire thinker of our times to this dissussion.
i am registered a libertarian but truthfully consider myself a social-libertarian.
i love alot of what ron paul has to say. he is saying things that neither the republican nor democrtic mainstream will ever say much less consider (mostly because they are payed not to think).
but let us be clear, unfettered corporate capitalism would become the greatest tyranny this world has ever known.
why would anyone want to be part of some corporate fuedalism, where the only people who have any say, in anything, are those with money?
much as the mainstream of american politics and media wants us to believe that this would be the heart and soul of freedom it would be tyranny pure and simple.
so my main beef with ron paul is that he doesnt understand this simple truth.

many of course will say that this is not simple, nor is it true. to those who really want to think outside the box look up game theory or quantitaive method. the end result of unfettered capitalism will be one source having everything. this is just math. one can argue that economics are not a zero-sum game; to those i say it is close enough to one that these methods can, and are, being used right now on all levels of business and politics (enron and karl rove as examples), that i believe we can pretty much say that the equations involved are pertinant and the realization is freaking scary.
i for one want true options in this life, and until ron paul realizes this reality then he is only fractionally better then the other republicans and democrats. if only he would drop his blind allegiance to corporate capitalism then, and only then, would i bother to support him.

for what it is worth we are all screwed one way or the other come november. there are no good options.
why would anyone believe that politcs can be described by a 2 dimensional line with left at one end and right at the other.
a freaking cartoon world is what tptb want us to live in!

reply to post by Merlin Lawndart


Well as someone threw out, Paul is a good standing member of masonically-created Lamda Chi Alpha fraternity , it is classified as a “secret” fraternity. It's original seal proudly features a masonic handshake (one taken directly from a masonic book :


www.infiniteunknown.net..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>

His wife, Carol is a member of the Velasco Order of the Eastern Star and maintains her membership in the Freeport area lodge. Their daughters, Lori and Joy, were both Rainbow girls, another organization associated with Freemasonry

Now surely, even us wee simpletons know, that the Eastern Star orginization is not open invitation. You MUST be married to a Mason.

Where'd the author get this info. Well, From the daily Paul . unfortunately the source link has been linked Access Denied!

www.dailypaul.com...

Why is your champion for transparency keeping secrets.

To read a more in depth analysis, sorce:
www.infiniteunknown.net...

Originally posted by Shamall
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

He is clearly talking about adults who get infected due to living the type of life style that makes them more susceptible. He says NOTHING about children born with said diseases.
I wish people would stop constantly taking what Ron Paul says out of context to use it against him.

I wish you'd understand what he said is still morally unacceptable and wrong. Also, let's try out a scenario:

A married couple. One of the partners goes out and cheats on the other, resulting in her or him catching HIV from unprotected sex. They bring it home to their significant other, engages in unprotected sex, infecting her or him. Now they're both infected with the virus. Does the victim here play a victim of their own lifestyle? No.

Then you have children who are born with the virus as well.

It's common sense and what Paul believes in is downright disgusting.

I'm also sorry I don't worship a politician like some members here do.

reply to post by femalepharoe


Do you have any other source besides this unknown blog?

From Ron Paul's Pen:



Source

reply to post by freakjive


Have you ever heard of lying?

However, there are plenty of sources with in the article from the "unknown" blog.

Deductive reasoning offers a lot, because as free thinking citizens we just don't believe what someone tells us.

so
1. Why is that page denied on Paul's site?? Obviously it was there
2. How is it that Paul's wife is an Eastern Star and he is NOT a Mason?


Just use some common sense on these two questions.

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by freakjive

 

Have you ever heard of lying?

1. Why is that page denied on Paul's site?? Obviously it was there
2. How is it that Paul's wife is an Eastern Star and he is NOT a Mason?


Just use some common sense on these two questions.

Yes...let's use your logic in the same way.

Point 1 - A fake URL can be created at will, on-the-fly. Say for instance: www.abovetopsecret.com/fairydust/magicsprites/

reply to post by MeesterB

Oh yea, punditry script is alive and well on all sides I suppose, and 'scripting' does kind of apply to these guys(politicians), just listen to Mitt, it doesn't get more scripted than that, imo. I still try and seek whatever substance I can between the lines though.

The guy resigning says a lot and I think people are really getting tired of all the voting fraud going on. The media continually reports what they think is fact, only to come in later and acknowledge a mistake somewhere. Gotta keep that sensationalism alive.

reply to post by freakjive


The point it illustrates is that you must INDEED me SPECIFICALLY MASONIC affiliated..it says it right there in the rules of admission you posted.

lol...

If fake URLs are created so easily you could have at least posted a fake URL that demonstrates your point.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by freakjive

 

Your title is misleading. Fox News Stated that Ron Paul may win Iowa, they stated that Paul supporters were making significant ground. They did not say that Ron Paul will win Iowa, this is false. For all the talk of the mainstream media and disinformation, Paul supporters do a good job of flooding these forums with some of their own propaganda.

It's the title of the video the OP posted.

reply to post by femalepharoe


Considering I am a current member of Lambda Chi Alpha I can tell you it is NOT a masonic fraternity. Sure we have some similarities between symbols and ideals, as most fraternities typically drew from the only source of information for their rituals, which happened to be....wait for it......masonic rituals. So yes, you see a set of clasped hands on our Coat of Arms signifying brotherhood and friendship. It does not secretly mean we are masonic, in fact I am not a mason and do not claim to know any of their secrets. It is not my time to know the answers to those questions, yet. Unless I choose to take that journey, which I havent

I can tell you exactly where to go if you are interested in ritual symbolism and wish to know more about the history of Lambda Chi Alphas ritual. Our founder drew upon the Gamma Eta Gamma legal fraternities ritual, The Patrons of Husbandry Ritual (sometime referred to as The Grange, and is a farming fraternity more than anything else), and after we merged with Theta Kappa Nu in 1939 we absorbed some of their ritualistic ideals and symbols. So you are very wrong to say that Lambda Chi has any affiliation whatsoever with the Masons, we are very very different.

Let me ask you this, just because Hitler used the swastika as a bad symbol, did it change the historical meaning of the symbol in its original use? The answer is no. People draw from, and use, similar models to base their own beliefs off of, and that is all Lambda Chi did, borrowed some symbols for use in their own way, a far cry from being an off-shoot of the Masons. I guess us Lambda Chis want to rule the world too.

Trust me, I am a way better source of information when it comes to my fraternity then some link on some page that I cant even read to verify. I have all of our history books, even the unpublished ones, and I know all about my societies history, all the way back from 1909. In fact I make it my business to know as much about my fraternity as I possibly can, as my intentions are to either write or co-author our 125 year history book. So i make it my business to know what I am talking about, do you speak from the same experience?

Its awfully easy to spout off incorrect ramblings when you have no real life first hand experience, and now that first hand person is here to show you the error of your ways

And as I was just looking at my Coat of Arms I see several symbols that only go to show we chose what our founders thought were the best symbols to espouse our ideals. Maybe we liked the camaraderie that the masonic brotherhood had to offer so we chose to reflect it by having clasped hands of friendship on our shield. We also have a Cross with a Crescent through it, an Aladdin style lamp, a knights helmet, crossed swords, the balance of judgement, a lion rampant holding a white rose, a crown, and a bible with an inscription. So I guess we are a Christian Society of Judgmental Knightly Arabian Kings, at least thats what you would ASSume based off of our symbols without asking. Educate yourself, just google Lambda Chi Alpha Coat of Arms

www.usdlambdachi.com...

and here is our ritual for obtaining new members which covers the topic of our coat of arms pretty well, also

ehzlxa.com...

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by freakjive

 

The point it illustrates is that you must INDEED me SPECIFICALLY MASONIC affiliated..it says it right there in the rules of admission you posted.

lol...

If fake URLs are created so easily you could have at least posted a fake URL that demonstrates your point.

edit on 25-4-2012 by femalepharoe because: (no reason given)

You are correct on what his link says for one part, but she couldve joined through her mother, sister, father, aunt, uncle, etc..... didnt just have to be her Husband. I think RP is honest enough to take his hand written word for the matter. I mean, his political track record solidifies that enough for me.