Is it Time to Ban Vaccines Once and For All?

Small sample sizes are meaningless in statistics. When we look at the big picture, we see that the infant mortality rates in the USA are the worst in the First World, they also administer by far the most vaccines. If you look through the data you'll see that the less vaccines a First World countries gives, the better their Infant Mortality rate.

I'd be all for my children getting Measles, just as nature intended. As long as they were well nourished. We know after Measles we grow taller, we become immune to various cancers, it's even been show that artistic ability increases. Measles is there for a reason, it's there to help us grow stronger. Big Pharma aren't going to tell you that as they won't profit.

Vaccination- The Hidden Truth - Chapter 7 Are Childhood diseases dangerous
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Originally posted by TomServo
Fact: My kids had their vaccines at birth, and we have not needed to go to the doctor once for anything other than a regular checkup.

Fact: My coworker's wife is one of you nut cases, who refused to let the hospital administer these vaccines. Their children are constantly sick.

Can you guess why we are seeing random outbreaks of old diseases like measles? Is it because the vaccines arent doing their job?
NO!! Its because moron parents dont allow your children to be vaccinated.

But wait, those diseases and pandemics have been long since eradicated, right? Disallow your children from having vaccines, and see what happens. If it goes bad wrong, its 100% on you. Just dont get mad at me because I wont let my little Johnny play with you little Suzy, cause her parents are morons...

Gimme a break people!

Perhaps there may be some trace of a connection between a vaccine and something like diabetes.
1. Has it been 100% Proven?
2. Would you rather have Diabetes, or the Bubonic Plague?

edit on 24-4-2012 by TomServo because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Rubinstein


With respect, if Governments were to start making their own vaccines most posters here would implode...seems they are damned if they do, damned if they don't!

It's very strange how as soon as there is any kind of moral panic on this website, the "Globalist Bankers" get drawn in as the enemy...nothing like a common enemy to help further your point. I fail to see the point of your Bush rant - not that i'm anywhere near his biggest fan, but if he bombs a country (beleiving it will remove an evil) and then sends the same country vaccines, then his behaviour is consistent (in helping those people).

Again, I think a few paranoid androids have got their heads in a spin over a perceived attack on their freedom - and because they can choose to disagree with it, they do. No one is disputing that vaccines (like any medicine) may have side effects but they appear in an extreme minority - how is making a decision based on an extreme minority (when a decision one way or the other needs to be made) rational or appropriate?

Originally posted by ElisaTest
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

There is one journal posted earlier in the thread about an HiB vaccine, dated around 1999, which talks about the vaccine raising diabetes incidents. It takes years of study post inception to know longterm effects of any medicinal product, but even so, there exists another paper below the journal which statistically proves the case number insignificance.

ElisaTest

I know it takes time to look through the thread, but I have posted a lot of information throughout it

Good post but you'll have a hard time overcoming the generational brainwashing that Vaccines are good for you and actually work. People do not care about actual facts and evidence. they are more interested in reinforcing their false beliefs then considering they have been fed lies for generations. It doesn't really matter if it is a conspiracy or just misinformation that got out of control there is no evidence that vaccines work period and in fact the evidence points to them actually being a major cause of the diseases they are supposed to protect from and a host of other ailments like autism etc.

But most people won't even look at the evidence including doctors and just repeat the brainwashing mantra. Ask your doctor what his background in vaccine research is? All he is doing is repeating what he was taught he has no background in vaccines and damn sure has not even looked at the data.

Here is a post I mad on one of the dozens of other threads on this subject:

There is no evidence vaccines work and ample evidence they cause harm and even kill people. The OP is rhetoric with no substance. Some cases of measles show up and the leap is made that it must be due to refusal to poison/vaccinate your children.. Sigh! And of course 154 cases wow what an epidemic. So tell us were these cases vaccinated before the contracted measles? Because I would bet dollars to doughnuts most were.

Vaccines are the pop culture of the medical establishment most believe they are great saviours of man kind but there is no evidence to support it. It speaks to the power of media and propaganda. And to those who say people who don't vaccinate are endangering others I say BS!!! If you have so much faith in vaccination why are you worried about those who don't since you are supposedly immune?

Vaccines are claimed to have eradicated things like polio and small pox etc. The interesting thing is during that period those diseases were declining before the advent of vaccines and declined in non vaccinated countries at the same or greater rates then vaccinated countries. Data going back to the beginning of vaccination indicates there is no evidence that vaccines work period but in fact vaccines were often the cause of the disease they claimed to protect against.

As I said vaccines are the pop culture of modern medicine they have been accepted as valid with no scientific evidence to back them up.

A few links to consider.

www.heilkunst.com...

www.vernoncoleman.com...

www.naturalnews.com...

We vaccinated our children when we didn’t know any better but I would never recommend vaccines to anyone and in fact I would try to talk them out of it,. It is poison and the drug companies make billions peddling it with the vaccine protection myth and politicians have been threatening to make vaccines mandatory as the evidence becomes more available that they are not only worthless but dangerous. That’s what politicians do they ensure markets for the politically connected for otherwise worthless and dangerous products that few would buy without being forced or deceived into believing they were good for them or thier children.

reply to post by Rubinstein


And at the risk of alienating a lot of Americans on here, it would be foolish to presume the terrible infant mortality rate in the USA is solely due to vaccinations. There are many other contributing factors - mainly the environment the child is raised in, socio-economic factors and quality of health care.

Excellent post hawkiye

Unfortunately what you say is true, it's incredibly difficult to untie a lifetime's brainwashing, it took many years for me to get away from those mainstream beliefs I had been fed myself.

Generally if people have received vaccines and vaccinated their own children, they aren't going to want to believe there's a problem with them. I've posted a lot of information in this thread, but it's clear from that many of the recent replies that either those posters weren't interested in the information or didn't take the time to notice it.

Originally posted by hawkiye
Good post but you'll have a hard time overcoming the generational brainwashing that Vaccines are good for you and actually work. People do not care about actual facts and evidence. they are more interested in reinforcing their false beliefs then considering they have been fed lies for generations. It doesn't really matter if it is a conspiracy or just misinformation that got out of control there is no evidence that vaccines work period and in fact the evidence points to them actually being a major cause of the diseases they are supposed to protect from and a host of other ailments like autism etc.

But most people won't even look at the evidence including doctors and just repeat the brainwashing mantra. Ask your doctor what his background in vaccine research is? All he is doing is repeating what he was taught he has no background in vaccines and damn sure has not even looked at the data.

Never got my kid vaccinated he is 2 now. He's never been sick really but all his vaccinated friends seem to always be in perpetual sickness. Not sure if it has anything to do with vaccines though

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Your entire comment could also be used to describe someone who is arguing AGAINST vaccines.

There are seven billion people in this world - take any viewpoint and you will find at least a small group of people who completely agree, however barmy the premise.

The weight of evidence supporting vaccination - other than common sense of course - crushes the occasional 'vaccines are bad' reports by a doctor, here or there.

If you want to use an example of brainwashing, how about someone who, in spite of overwhelming anecdotal, factual and scientific evidence to the contrary, still believes vaccines are bad cos he read something somewhere.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

And at the risk of alienating a lot of Americans on here, it would be foolish to presume the terrible infant mortality rate in the USA is solely due to vaccinations. There are many other contributing factors - mainly the environment the child is raised in, socio-economic factors and quality of health care.

Absolutely ComeFindMe, there are more factors at play

When Japan removed vaccines for the under-2's, cot death completely vanished. This raised a lot of eyebrows around the world. Vaccines used to have warnings about cot death in the inserts, but now they do not. We are being kept in a bubble where our 'truth' is different to the 'real truth'. You even see people coming into this thread confidently stating that there is no known dangers of vaccines, which is completely absurd. I have relatives who have died and been left disabled after vaccines, and that's just in my own small circle

Originally posted by mayabong
Never got my kid vaccinated he is 2 now. He's never been sick really but all his vaccinated friends seem to always be in perpetual sickness.

This is nice to here Mayabong, it's a common story indeed. Here's an interesting survey comparing the difference


Survey Results: Are Unvaccinated Children Healthier?
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reply to post by Rubinstein


There is no doubt in my mind that vaccines have side effects - to think otherwise is deluded.

However, that does not therefore mean all vaccines produce side-effects. I'm still amazed at the purported number of vaccinations a child in the US has before the age of 5 - of course, the more vaccinations you have the more likely you are to have a reaction.

It's never nice to have to weigh up whether its worth the risk to your child - but as far as I can see, the benefits far outweigh the risks. We must remember that millions die of easily preventable illnesses in other parts of the world, each year. That shouldn't be justification alone - but i'm sure they would take any vaccine without a moments thought if there was even a chance of skipping a horrible disease.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by hawkiye

 

The weight of evidence supporting vaccination - other than common sense of course - crushes the occasional 'vaccines are bad' reports by a doctor, here or there.

FUNDING is the key word

Originally posted by mayabong
Never got my kid vaccinated he is 2 now. He's never been sick really but all his vaccinated friends seem to always be in perpetual sickness. Not sure if it has anything to do with vaccines though

edit on 24-4-2012 by mayabong because: (no reason given)

Thats good to hear

Trouble is, illness is subject - I noticed you didnt say he had never been sick, but actually said never been sick "really", so i'm guessing there have been bugs or sniffles at least? After two years, we can hardly deduce someones predisposition to illness and how do you know the other kids' parents don't actually think their kids are actually quite healthy....too subjective to use as evidence I feel.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Your entire comment could also be used to describe someone who is arguing AGAINST vaccines.

There are seven billion people in this world - take any viewpoint and you will find at least a small group of people who completely agree, however barmy the premise.

The weight of evidence supporting vaccination - other than common sense of course - crushes the occasional 'vaccines are bad' reports by a doctor, here or there.

If you want to use an example of brainwashing, how about someone who, in spite of overwhelming anecdotal, factual and scientific evidence to the contrary, still believes vaccines are bad cos he read something somewhere.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

See you are a prefect example of someone just repeating the generational brainwashing never having done any research yourself. THERE IS IS NO EVIDENCE VACCINES WORK PERIOD! Their own data proves it. I edited my previous posts read it again you might learn something if you are actually interested in truth.

Rubenstein,

Just to clarify where you stand on a couple of questions regarding your replies to my posts:

Are you stating that nutrition and cleanliness today will prevent the spread of diseases such as polio, smallpox, measles in the United States with no vaccination against them?

If no, then in your opinion how long will it take for the diseases to make a comeback here?

Again, I ask if the U.S. never had mass vaccinations at all, do you believe the number of deaths and disabilities from these diseases would have been more or less compared to deaths and disabilities (confirmed) by vaccinations?

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

It's never nice to have to weigh up whether its worth the risk to your child - but as far as I can see, the benefits far outweigh the risks. We must remember that millions die of easily preventable illnesses in other parts of the world, each year. That shouldn't be justification alone - but i'm sure they would take any vaccine without a moments thought if there was even a chance of skipping a horrible disease.

The main problem is that Big Pharma are reporting the information that makes them profit. Anything that loses them profit gets swept under the carpet. These people cannot be trusted. We are not being informed accurately about what's going on, certain information remains inside the medical community.

Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )
www.youtube.com...

Can we really trust companies like this with the health of our children?

And we were never meant to find this one (below) out, it was meant to be kept inside the medical community

Merck Vaccine Chief Brings HIV/AIDS to America
www.youtube.com...

We cannot trust vaccines until they are away from these people. I personally would never trust any product from any Big Pharma company, such as Merck, Bayer or Novartis. It's not that it's impossible that one of their products could be good, it's more that these companies have been shown to be guilty of crimes against humanity, so can never be trusted again.

Originally posted by fictitious
But forcing certain healthcare is ok, right? What about the government basically forcing everyone TO get immunized? It's ok for the government to do that because THEY say it's beneficial, but you don't like the idea of "forcing others to follow the lead" regarding banning them? Interesting logic.

Im sorry, which country are you in that you are "forced" to get immunized?

TZela,

The diseases wouldn't make a come back as long as nutrition and sanitation remained good. Also as long as we weren't vaccinating, as most of the epidemics actually come from mass vaccination programs.

If we banned vaccines hundreds of thousands of lives would be saved overall. People would be healthy, there would be far less disability.

When you think about it's it's actually the most obvious thing of all, that it goes completely against nature to inject ourselves with chemicals, bypassing our natural defense mechanism. Unfortunately money shapes society, we are trained to help others profit, we believe in myths that make the rich richer.

From here www.whale.to...

"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108.

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The vaccination myth is the most widespread superstition modern medicine has managed to impose, but, being by the same token the most profitable, it will prove to be also one of the most enduring, though there was never the slightest of scientific evidence upholding it. Suffice it to say now that the various epidemics have experienced in all countries the same natural evolution of growth, decline, and eventual disappearance, whether vaccination or other therapies had been introduced or not. The only demonstrable effects were the widespread damages caused by the various vaccinations, none excluded. Most pediatricians we know in Italy and France do not vaccinate their own children, although they cannot refuse to vaccinate their clients' children, if they want to retain their union licence to practice........
So it can safely be predicted that the advertised belief in the alleged blessings of vaccination will be among the last deadly rites of Modern Medicine to go, because it is far too profitable to the medical combine to be allowed to go without a bitter struggle, of which the beginnings can increasingly be seen today, but which will certainly drag on into the coming century. It is indeed so profitable - to Industry and State - that it is incentivated by being offered, or imposed, in many cases free of charge. But in truth, who gets the bill? The taxpayer, of course. Preface by Hans Ruesch to 1000 Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection

Originally posted by TZela
Rubenstein,

Just to clarify where you stand on a couple of questions regarding your replies to my posts:

Are you stating that nutrition and cleanliness today will prevent the spread of diseases such as polio, smallpox, measles in the United States with no vaccination against them?

If no, then in your opinion how long will it take for the diseases to make a comeback here?

Again, I ask if the U.S. never had mass vaccinations at all, do you believe the number of deaths and disabilities from these diseases would have been more or less compared to deaths and disabilities (confirmed) by vaccinations?

edit on 24-4-2012 by TZela because: meant to reply to a post so adding name of who I'm talking to

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by fictitious
But forcing certain healthcare is ok, right? What about the government basically forcing everyone TO get immunized? It's ok for the government to do that because THEY say it's beneficial, but you don't like the idea of "forcing others to follow the lead" regarding banning them? Interesting logic.

Im sorry, which country are you in that you are "forced" to get immunized?

If he/she lives in the USA, they make it very difficult to not get vaccinated, unless you home school or go to effort to get exemption

A telling quote...

"Smallpox was on the way out, indeed epidemics disappeared decades before the WHO decided to conduct the final "eradication" campaign. It is also well-documented that the largest epidemics occurred in the most highly vaccinated populations, while whose who were unvaccinated, did not have the same epidemics. "

Dr. Viera Scheibner

www.whale.to...