The Biblical god's longsuffering and patience

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Yes, it's technically an illusion, however from an observer inside the spacetime domain everything appears to our vantage point as linear time. We can't look into the future, we can only look back. God has the capacity to enter our time domain at will. This is really going to get into theoretical physics, but it's called an "event horizon".

Position always determines perspective. When position changes perspective alters in direct proportion.

I'm trying to see if I understand you...you're saying that when god is in his dimension of eternity, he can't have longsuffering and patience, but when he's in our existence of linear time, he can? If that is the case, how often does he leave eternity to come in to our linear existence and how long does he stay to exercise his longsuffering and patience while here?

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No, forget the eternity aspect of the equation, it's clouding your judgment. Look at it this way, if God was not patient with us like a Father He'd snuff us out the first time we sin. He uses our sin to teach us, to correct us.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
No, forget the eternity aspect of the equation, it's clouding your judgment. Look at it this way, if God was not patient with us like a Father He'd snuff us out the first time we sin. He uses our sin to teach us, to correct us.

You can't forget the eternal aspect of the equation, he is eternal. See, to him we are snuffed out right after we are born. As a matter of fact, we are snuffed out before we are born.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
No, forget the eternity aspect of the equation, it's clouding your judgment. Look at it this way, if God was not patient with us like a Father He'd snuff us out the first time we sin. He uses our sin to teach us, to correct us.

You can't forget the eternal aspect of the equation, he is eternal. See, to him we are snuffed out right after we are born. As a matter of fact, we are snuffed out before we are born.

I meant forget it for the time being because it's confusing you. Yes, everything you said is technically true, to God our lives are a blink of His eye, in the time domain we live in He's extremely patient. We are bound by spacetime, it seems linear to us.

Position determines perspective.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I meant forget it for the time being because it's confusing you. Yes, everything you said is technically true, to God our lives are a blink of His eye, in the time domain we live in He's extremely patient. We are bound by spacetime, it seems linear to us.

Position determines perspective.

And I'm talking about the biblical god's position. He can't have longsuffering and patience with us for the reasons I've already explained. Remember, he doesn't live in our time domain, he lives outside of it, in eternity....

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I meant forget it for the time being because it's confusing you. Yes, everything you said is technically true, to God our lives are a blink of His eye, in the time domain we live in He's extremely patient. We are bound by spacetime, it seems linear to us.

Position determines perspective.

And I'm talking about the biblical god's position. He can't have longsuffering and patience with us for the reasons I've already explained. Remember, he doesn't live in our time domain, he lives outside of it, in eternity....

Well if you want to only focus on Him, then He just IS. There is no time there. Patient and long-suffering are terms associated with time, descriptions from our perspective only. Descriptions of God from His domain are either "is" or "is not" without time-relative qualifiers.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Well if you want to only focus on Him, then He just IS. There is no time there. Patient and long-suffering are terms associated with time, descriptions from our perspective only. Descriptions of God from His domain are either "is" or "is not" without time-relative qualifiers.

Well yeah, I want to focus on him....because longsuffering and patience are said to be his attributes.

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The way a being who is not subject to time would act, would be closer to patience than impatience. And we have to describe it somehow. Assuming a god would understand the aspects of his creation, even if not subject to them (limitation, death, time) transmitting that he is patient would make sense.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Well if you want to only focus on Him, then He just IS. There is no time there. Patient and long-suffering are terms associated with time, descriptions from our perspective only. Descriptions of God from His domain are either "is" or "is not" without time-relative qualifiers.

Well yeah, I want to focus on him....because longsuffering and patience are said to be his attributes.

Sure they are. And those attributes can only be appreciated and experienced by us within the domain of spacetime. In eternity He just IS.

This is probably the 4th or 5th time, but it's not sinking in yet:

Position determines perspective.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
This is probably the 4th or 5th time, but it's not sinking in yet:

Position determines perspective.

So, would you say that to us, the biblical god is patient and long-suffering, but is an illusion? Or is it not an illusion?

Next, from god's position, would you say he is neither patient nor impatient, neither long-suffering nor non long-suffering?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
This is probably the 4th or 5th time, but it's not sinking in yet:

Position determines perspective.

So, would you say that to us, the biblical god is patient and long-suffering, but is an illusion? Or is it not an illusion?

Next, from god's position, would you say he is neither patient nor impatient, neither long-suffering nor non long-suffering?

God IS.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
God IS.

IS.......? Everything?

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Makin this up as you go, I see....

Originally posted by Iason321
Makin this up as you go, I see....

I catch christians doing that. I had a minister over here a while back to discuss things with me. When we talked about Adam and Eve, he said they were created immortal. But after I pointed some things out to him, he said that he meant they had the potential to be immortal....

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at least he had a solid foundation for his whacky belief,

it's one thing to take truth and twist it to fit your own beliefs,

its another to completely make things up with no basis in reality aside from your mind

Originally posted by Iason321
it's one thing to take truth and twist it to fit your own beliefs,

Christians aren't guilty of this exact same thing? If not, why are there 36,000 christian denominations?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
God IS.

IS.......? Everything?

What's the topic of this thread about?

Humans wrote this when reflecting upon God, it's what He appears to be to us from our perspective.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by Iason321
Makin this up as you go, I see....

I catch christians doing that. I had a minister over here a while back to discuss things with me. When we talked about Adam and Eve, he said they were created immortal. But after I pointed some things out to him, he said that he meant they had the potential to be immortal....

The person misspoke. They tree of life was in the garden so they could live forever.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by Iason321
it's one thing to take truth and twist it to fit your own beliefs,

Christians aren't guilty of this exact same thing? If not, why are there 36,000 christian denominations?

Because wolves will leave and split the church when disciplined, then go start their own. Look at it in terms of salvation doctrine. You have 3.

Catholics
Protestants
Cults

The principles are unchanging, the methods should be progressive to meet a progressive world. Problems arise when people not only make the methods progressive, but the principles too.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
The person misspoke. They tree of life was in the garden so they could live forever.

Yep, and if they didn't eat from it, they would die. Death was already in the world before sin.