Remembering The LA Riots and the Double Standard of the Race Issue and Gun Control

Double standard for certain. And to a RIDICULOUS level

Reading this thread makes it hard to deny that civil unrest is the ONLY thing that gets heard any more.

When African Americans in this country get MAD, and begin uncivilized behavior, they ALWAYS GET their way. Unfortunately, the ways to accomplish REAL CHANGE in this country seems rather obvious considering that.

Talking, pleading, begging, shouting, screaming, and civilized behavior rewards you with nothing other than laughter, ridicule, and ZERO accomplishment. Nobody laughs at African Americans when they are ANGRY in this country!!!!!!

Observing the OUTCOME of African American civil unrest shows this to be CLEARLY OBVIOUS.

Sad? YES. True? 100% so.

When they dont act right, they ALWAYS get their way, PERIOD.

If this doesnt change, our youth will catch on to it soon enough and realize that such behavior is their ONLY HOPE in a sinking country where everything is going to hell...

reply to post by HangTheTraitors


What would that be?

reply to post by Southern Guardian


The only problem I can foresee is that if Zimmerman is pronounce innocent, will some people be able to get a grip on themselves?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

I believe your right. I hope whatever happens it is not influenced by public opinion. People should relax and let the justice system do what it is supposed to do.

The only reason Zimmerman is charged at all is because of public opinion. So much for justice being blind.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


I don't agree that he is necessarily guilty, maybe theres a chance there is. But I do agree on the other points. Until all the facts come out I will reserve my judgement. But I do agree with you on that.

ETA: I would guess that the police did hear all of the facts and made a judgement call and a good one. I don't doubt that they made a bad judgement. There are different accounts that Zimmermans dad was a judge, which Im not sure if thats true or not also I heard Zimmerman was a CERT, not that that matters, but it might have played an influence.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Make no mistake, I believe we will see this again. But although race will be an issue, the bigger picture is more important. I have to ask how this relates to gun control though. The laws have not changed that much since then have they? Has the number of guns on the street come down in this time? How many people were actually shot during the LA riots?

It's a difficult situation to figure out, and predicting what's going to happen is nearly impossible beyond stating the obvious "civil unrest". It all depends who leads the charge and what triggers it.

As I live in the UK, I see constant criticism of our multicultural society, but although the economic gap is just as bad as anywhere else, it covers all races. In the UK you genuinely do have more opportunity to work your way out of that state of existence.

It seems America has supported the concept of the ghetto ever since slavery was abolished. Little has been done to actually integrate across the country and put everyone on a genuinely equal footing.

I think the major problem is the lowest on the economic scale are also already racially victimized. You have a doubly-whammy of being both poor and black, and in an economic collapse like this all it will take is one event to light the match.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Gun control aside.

The black community has to allow themselves an equal footing. They are their own greatest enemy in this case. When a black celebrity like Farrakhan spews his drivel they should reject it as a community. They can not play victim, over and over again without suffering the consequences. It's time for everybody to put their big boy pants on and take responsibility for their own actions.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


What happens if he is found guilty and people can't handle that?

Originally posted by Kali74
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What happens if he is found guilty and people can't handle that?

If I get on the jury, it won't happen. I should be about due to be called soon. It would be awesome to get on that jury. Need to ensure that self defense with a weapon stays legal.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The only reason Zimmerman is charged at all is because of public opinion. So much for justice being blind.

No, Zimmerman is being charged because he shot an unarmed kid in the middle of the night on a public walkway. Zimmerman needs to demonstrate that he did so in self defense. Witnesses claimed to see a fight going on, but the events that lead to the conflict could not be accounted for by anybody other than Zimmerman himself.

Zimmerman will have his chance is court. Zimmerman claimed that he was severly beaten by Trayvon, the EMT report, the autopsy of Trayvon, may or may not work in his favour.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Need to ensure that self defense with a weapon stays legal.

And what made you conclude that Zimmerman acted in self defense?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The only reason Zimmerman is charged at all is because of public opinion. So much for justice being blind.

No, Zimmerman is being charged because he shot an unarmed kid in the middle of the night on a public walkway. Zimmerman needs to demonstrate that he did so in self defense. Witnesses claimed to see a fight going on, but the events that lead to the conflict could not be accounted for by anybody other than Zimmerman himself.

Zimmerman will have his chance is court. Zimmerman claimed that he was severly beaten by Trayvon, the EMT report, the autopsy of Trayvon, may or may not work in his favour.

edit on 19-4-2012 by Southern Guardian because: (no reason given)

No he isn't. He is being charged because the O insisted on it. If you look at the available evidence, you will see that a conviction is impossible because "reasonable doubt" has already been established. Until the O's intervention, no charges were going to be filed. Personally, I think they should tell O to go take a flying leap. Cowards.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Need to ensure that self defense with a weapon stays legal.

And what made you conclude that Zimmerman acted in self defense?

The police report and the injuries to the back of his head. Among other things. Leave the MSM alone and research for yourself.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The police report and the injuries to the back of his head. Among other things. Leave the MSM alone and research for yourself.

Just because Zimmerman may have had visable injuries doesn't automatically mean that he shot Trayvon in self defense. As to how severe the injuries were, the EMT report will have to demonstrate this clearly as Zimmerman was supposedly treated afterwards. Zimmerman described that his head was bashed repeatedly, that he was nearly knocked unconscious, yet on the police station video, he acted calm and collected, no visable bandages or any of the sort. A video professional claimed that he saw a scar on Zimmerman's head on the police video, but the EMT report will have to clearly account for this and the severity of his supposed injuries.

Here is the police report:
mit.zenfs.com...

We have witnesses who claimed to have seen a fight, but nobody but Zimmerman can account for how the conflict came about. We do know that Zimmerman was already suspicious of Trayvon and was already following him prior. What happened after the dispatcher audio is up for questioning.

Maybe you should do some more research before you make assumptions on this case.

reply to post by Kali74

What happens if he is found guilty and people can't handle that?

I can only speak for myself. But if he is found guilty and the prosecutors can show that Zimmerman did not act out in self defense I would be ok with that.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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What happens if he is found guilty and people can't handle that?

I can only speak for myself. But if he is found guilty and the prosecutors can show that Zimmerman did not act out in self defense I would be ok with that.

Well it goes both ways Honeycomb, Zimmerman will have to demonstrate that he acted in self defense as well.

Trayvon was unarmed, Zimmerman was armed with a gun.
We already know that Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin, he even reported that Martin was running away, he suspected Martin was running away from him, Zimmerman admitted to following Martin who he believed was on the run.
Witnesses could only account for a conflict or a fight, Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon provoked the incident, but Zimmerman is the one stating this.

It's going to be an interesting case. The full autopsy report, the EMT report of Zimmerman's scars, these will all be key pieces of evidence. From Zimmerman's accounts, he must have shot Trayvon when he was ontop of him, so why didn't the police take a look at his clothes? Take pictures of his clothes? Was Zimmerman's injuries accounted for? Why didn't police take pictures of those to demonstrate just how badly beaten he was?

Alot of questions.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


But yet you're afraid that if he's found innocent black people won't be able to handle that, why?

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Odds are that Zimmerman can prove that. Not only that but there are certain precursors that can also justify using deadly force. Like witnessing a crime for one, of course these laws vary in different states. But maybe we should all take a look at the stand your ground law. Has this been done on ATS yet? In any case, that is a thread worthy of it's own.

reply to post by Kali74


Well theres too many reasons to name. Black Panthers, bounty. All the politicians sticking their sweaty little noses in other peoples business. Dumb people, (not just blacks, who jump to conclusions) people who want chaos and disorder, rioting and looting. Celebrities, politicians, democrats....the list goes on and on.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


It's the same on the "other" side though, neo-nazi's patrolling...NRA and right wing politicians and media raising hell. So what's different?