America - April 19th, The Start of the Revolution - A REVISIT

So OP....what do YOU plan to do to start said revolution?

Everyone talks a good game, but never follows up on it.

If liberty and freedom are worth dying for, are you willing to give your life for the cause?

reply to post by gwydionblack


Thank you my friend, I agree the revolution is coming, I too have been doing my duty of preparing for the inevitable.

reply to post by amongus


Some of us are willing and are attempting to wake up those around us, and prepare for the revolution. Not everybody is willing to give up their life for a greater cause, I am and so our others.

reply to post by gwydionblack


Liked it so much I shared it on FB. Hope you don't mind! S&F

As much as I love the internet for bringing everyone together in this way, I believe that at this stage of our awakening and discontent it is our downfall. Here we are writing and reading this stuff, feeling ambitious and feeling that spark light up within us, but what are we going to do about it?
It is currently 10 pm--I could be literally aflame with passion right now but what will it ACTUALLY lead to?? Nothing. I'm sitting here in front of my computer knowing full well that my next 'ambitious' actions will be to move from the computer chair to the couch
There was a time when to hear this kind of revolutionary speak you had to be OUT of the house and WITH those like-minded people. Unless we can figure out how to push this revolution from the comfort of our living rooms it won't get OUT of the internet and INTO the streets.

Nonetheless, we ARE the imaginal cells of the forming butterfly. Somehow we will get it done.

Also, they have rubber bullets. We'll have shields and paintball guns

Yes, there needs to be a revolution, not to overthrow the government but a political revolution to overthrow politicians. They tax us to death because they spend too much money and they have barrowed so much that it cannot be paid back in our lifetime. When the government needs more money, they look to the American taxpayer, their cash cow. So far, I still believe we live under the closest to a perfect document conceived by man, the US constitution. Although it has under gone some detrimental changes, the rough outline is still there. A living document that can change and evolve with the country and the people’s needs. If you feel that there is a problem with the country, think about who is behind the wheel.

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Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by amongus

 

Some of us are willing and are attempting to wake up those around us, and prepare for the revolution. Not everybody is willing to give up their life for a greater cause, I am and so our others.

Okay. So do as I say, not as I do?

What are YOU doing to start or contribute to a revolution? I highly doubt you are willing to give up your life for the cause. If so, what are you doing to start the revolution bro?

Inform me.....

Ok the OP was on 5 min ago, yet didn't reply. Op, what are you doing to start said revolution?

Or are you, as others, just full of empty words? Why didnt you reply? Did you have to think of something to say?

I'm so tired of people saying snip has to change, yet they don't do #.

I am going to reply to as many as I can here, but mainly the ones who ask questions or would like a comment on something. If I don't reply directly to you, it does not mean I did not agree with your comment or did not read it - I have read and will continue to read all replies. With that said...

reply to post by METACOMET


I'm glad to see you join the thread and pay your tributes that your original topic should have remained to do. Thanks for the contribution, and you have my support 100%. Regardless of how many times a thread is posted, holidays are meant to be remembered year wide and I do not see them batting down other such days.

Indeed though. God bless America.


reply to post by Skewed


A novel idea. Someone once told me that "men" were being bread out of modern society. People were no longer people taught to stand up for themselves. Following my generation I began to understand what they meant. It isn't only a generational thing however, it now spans many generations. Society has become one of complainers instead of doers, wanters instead of fighters. There definitely needs to be a change in the reality for some in order to see a change in the reality of this country.


reply to post by getreadyalready


I always respect your opinions getreadyalready, but this viewpoint of yours I can not. How long can one sit idly by while one has the "good life" yet others suffer. Does it honestly take that suffering to reach you or someone close to you for you to finally care?

I know I cared long before I was subject to the suffering of the hardships of this economy. My family was well off and could have been once considered "middle" to "upper" class in the grand scheme of things. But my how quickly things can change in an instant and how quickly the life that you become content with can be ripped away from you. I wasn't angry from it happening, oh no, I was angry by the fact that I knew that it could happen - and that it would happen - because it happened to others before us... and eventually - it could happen to you.

When one gets a tornado warning do you continue grilling in the backyard until you see the funnel cloud, or do you get in your basement and bunker down? There is no difference here. The storm is waging all around us and just because it hasn't effected you and what you consider the "good life" does not mean that tomorrow everything that you have prepared for and loved to live for can't be taken away in a heartbeat - and that is one of the problems with this society.


reply to post by splitlevel



I want to touch base on a few of your points.

1/ The colonists who fought the British, were people who left Europe. This is a completely different mind set to people who are born in the USA. The difference is that, the colonists, felt like they had already been forced to leave their home lands in Europe, due to famines or restrictive rulers etc,etc. When people are forced to leave their beloved homelands and settle in a new country they are damn not going to take 5hi7 a second time around.

This is a double edged sword for the cause when it comes to the modern era. Back then there was actually a place to go to in order to get away from your tyrannical governments. Today - the world is smaller than it ever was. There are no more free lands and the only thing left for people to do is to stand their ground and fight for what they have. Considering the United States was the first bastion of freedom for the world, and the inspiration for many more to come - I believe that is is the spirit of the American people that would be able to provoke a new revolution to light.

2/ There was no TV back in the original revolution...TV has been the damnation of the western world, especially the USA. It is a government brainwashing box, everyone watches everyday. it has led to apathy and complacency on a huge scale.

And there should be no television when the revolution starts as well. It would serve only as a supreme distraction and a spreader of falsifications. Therefore, television media would obviously be a likely target for and would be revolutionaries in the beginning.

3/ People simply fear they will be out gunned, everyone knows, the US military industrial complex is fvcking terrifying in its scale and fire power. Any reasonable person wouldn't even dare trying to fight it.

But they forget that 75% of all military weaponry is available to the public, and anything else would not be used against them due to the public outcry is would cause...

To be continued...

Originally posted by mytheroy
reply to post by conspiracytheoristIAM

 

The solution is another civil war!

2nd

Last time the Federal Government waged civil war they razed a line across Georgia. I do not want to see what they would do with modern weaponry.

reply to post by amongus


It's pretty much how it's gonna be until the middle class gets hit hard. When I say that, I mean really hard where they can no longer feed themselves or their families. They (being myself) are the majority of the comfortable masses. Again, Until everyday folks start to watch their families suffer, until then, and only then, will they abandon their former weakness and blind folded beliefs. And even then, Putting up any kind of realistic resistance to a New World Order Military is another discussion. ~$heopleNation

as the people, our revolutionn will start with spreading the word, the word of how fat-cats are oppressing us. while doing so lets be wise enough to not fall exactly into what karl marx said about the proletariat. when we as a people demand freedom and self-sufficiency, we will finaly be able to synchronize and move on past the petty problems government creates, and progress not only as individuals, but resultingly as a human race.

WE HAVE ALL BEEN CALLED TO ACTION THE DATE IS 11/5/2012
www.youtube.com...

We gave and give our rights away through complacency,is it not us who give them the power to encroach upon our rights when we sit idly by saying and thinking oh well it will all work itself out,someone els will fix it.
NOW it is time for us to excercise that same power,the power we have given them was through complacency and it took them years to use that power to gain the foothold they have on us at the moment,NOW we take it back through ACTION!!

You really want change take the money out of polotics. Voilent revolution will just get you killed or worse years in a federal prison where you'll be climbing the wall's in between beating's and rapes. I'll fight my revolution at the ballot box. That's an option they did'nt have in 1775.

...continued.


Do you realize the result of a carpet bombing of an American town for the sake of taking out "Revolutionaries" all the while dealing collateral damage to men, women, and children not involved, not to mention the infrastructure of the entire country? Most of US military weaponry is focused around leveling countries to dust. Do you really thing that weaponry would be even an option here with intent of keeping this country after such things were over? No.

What would be used - guns. Grenades. Helicopters. Forget the big guns - they would be at home... at least for the military's sake. The moment they make a mistake a blow up a family of five cooking Sunday dinner, they create 10,000 more revolutionaries. People are scared because they see what happens in the theater of war in foreign countries in which the inhabitants are obviously not cared about, be them enemy combatants or innocents alike. It would not be like that here, and if it would - you could be that the revolution would be over before it began, because the support would be so overwhelming that the people could swarm the military and government without a problem.


reply to post by yourmaker


You let me know how that works.

I agree with the whole "citizen spy agency" concept, but infiltrating government, it has been done. The fact is, government is so massive and so corrupt that the whole thing needs to be wiped and reloaded.



reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Sure. We would all love to see diplomatic changes. I don't want to subject people to want a revolution entails. But I don't want to subject myself, my future relatives, and the future generations to enslavement even more. Diplomatic options have been on the table for so long and they have done nothing that is is only now, in the recent times that people are actually starting to see that it just isn't working. Diplomacy has failed, just as it did with Britain. They refuse to listen to the people, plain as day, so we don't much have any options left but to yell wildly into the winds for nothing to change, or to make change happen via revolution.



reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Tell you what I would love to do OK.

I'd love to wake up in the morning and drive my car down to the local dairy farm. Oh but I can't because I don't have a drivers license and my care isn't registered or inspected. Oh well, not considering that, guess I will get some gas for my tank. I'd like to pay spot price for my gas, but I can't due to unruly taxes on fuel that don't make any sense. Fair enough. Drive down the the dairy farmer. I'd like to purchase a gallon of natural milk. Can't! If he sold me that he'd be in trouble. Besides, he just got raided by the FDA for it and they fined him 300k so he doesn't do it again.

So I'm going to head home, figured I'd get to work on my new chicken coop. I'm going to make it 8' by 8' so they can all fit snug inside but WAIT - zoning regulations say that anything greater than 4' in diameter, I'm going to need to get a permit for, and unless I'm a federal licensed chicken producer, I'm not allowed to own more than say 12 chickens, and once that is all taken care of, I need to have the FDA come in and inspect my coop since I wanted to sell some of those chickens to my neighbors for consumption.

Well dang, I didn't even get to work yet. I went to college for 4 years so I am paying on that loan but I work at the local gas station where I get payed 8.00 per hour, funny how I don't see any of that tax from that gasoline. At the end of the day I make $64 for working 8 hours of MY TIME! Yay. But about $10 of that goes to income tax, $4 goes to social security that I will never see, $2 goes to medicaid that I will probably never use, $2 goes to other taxes and $1 goes to local taxes. In the end I leave work with $45 which means I made 5.63 an hour.

At the end of the month I will have $900. $300 is rent. $100 is electricity and water (all I can afford). $100 goes to my school loan. $100 goes to food. $30 for registration. $30 to renew my license. $250 for the fine for driving with a registration, even though it didn't hurt anybody. I was thinking about putting a little bit aside to start my own business one day, but start up fees for paperwork alone are about $500 - $800.

So what would I change about my life? Nothing. I like my life. But I worry about everyone else who struggles to get by each day and is left with nothing. I may not have much but I have enough that I can sympathize and offer my time and willpower to make sure that everyone in the country has a fair square in the future.

Originally posted by Ghostcooler
WE HAVE ALL BEEN CALLED TO ACTION THE DATE IS 11/5/2012
www.youtube.com...

We gave and give our rights away through complacency,is it not us who give them the power to encroach upon our rights when we sit idly by saying and thinking oh well it will all work itself out,someone els will fix it.
NOW it is time for us to excercise that same power,the power we have given them was through complacency and it took them years to use that power to gain the foothold they have on us at the moment,NOW we take it back through ACTION!!

Yeah...awesome vid, not, that was posted in December! Almost 5 months ago.

Irrelevant. You have nothing else to post that is recent? I'm sure if they were serious, they would give a reminder....yet nothing.

Good luck...

reply to post by gwydionblack


Not a bad thread....not bad at all. You made some GREAT common sense points that cannot be ignored by a rational thinking American.

(Not so hot about your RED avatar with social "justice"/communism undertones though).

awesome!

revolution baby!



for the win!


thank you


namaste;

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Forgive me for not be quite so eloquent of poster METACOMET was ...

Well, I'm going to refrain from commenting on the content of your post because I don't have the inclination to, but contrary to your belief, I just wanted to say I think you were, indeed, elegant and write very compellingly.

reply to post by AzureSky


Very well said. That is what our "freedom" today entails.


reply to post by JiggyPotamus


Very well said as well. The biggest problem is how EXPANSIVE the government has become. The federal government is supposed to consist of the House of Representatives, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the President, the Vice President, and the White House Cabinet Members. THAT IS IT!

The compartmentalized programs that have etched their way into society is where it all went down hill and continues to head down hill. Ron Paul has the right ideas about doing away with some of the lesser organizations, but the reality of it is that nearly ALL of theme need to be disbanded and taken over by state and local governments and be stripped of federal authority over people.

As you said and I agree, there is no diplomatic process that is going to change this. That only thing that is going to change is bringing it down and rebuilding it up via the Constitution.


reply to post by amongus


I have been ready and willing to give my life for quite some time if it is necessary. I do, however, believe that I am more beneficial to the cause alive than dead. As for what I plan to do... that is not something I am willing to discuss on an open forum but come 2013, the cause will become my life or result in its end.


reply to post by Wookiep


Thank you for sharing. I truly believe the more word is spread the stronger the cause will be when the time finally does come. I can only hope that people are ready when that time arrives.


reply to post by awakendhybrid


Why must we continue to be beacons of inaction? What is stopping us from meeting and discussing with like minded people right now in our areas? We speak on the internet because it connects us because it is rather difficult to spot a true fellow patriot walking down the street. Who is really awake in this world? Who can we really trust once things become... "real"? These are all things to take into consideration when meetings do finally begin.

And I am hoping someday soon, they can.


reply to post by Enemyc0mbatant


I missed a reply to you for some reason, maybe because I thought it was moot.

You judge me by the color RED to me being a Communist. This is not true. Communism, in principle is a superb idea, but could never work in a populated society. In a small community, sure, why not? As for the system that is better - yes you got it - a Constitutional Republic. I strive for that goal, that which the United States was supposed to become. Not a rule by majority popularity parade. Trust me, we are on the same side.



reply to post by amongus


Back into the line here - I didn't reply because I didn't have time at the moment. I am busy with other things but right now, I have time, so I am happy to reply.

As for what I plan to do - rest assured I do have plans - many of them. But it would not behoove me or any would be revolutionaries to reveal them on here. I suppose one idea which I mentioned earlier would be the shut down of television. Television is a market dominated by the elites and it is heavily influenced by those in power with no real information being delivered by the "common man". Therefore television at the time of a revolution would serve only as a distraction to the people. Their would be plenty of news, plenty of entertainment, and plenty of drama to keep the sheep ever watchful on their screens. There would be little to no mention of any revolution. Therefore people would have to get their news from more credible sources and television must be shut down. They may hate us for it in the beginning, but boo hoo - it is a luxury that few people around the world are given and it is something that everyone can live without.


reply to post by KJV1611


To get this out of the way, I am no fan of Communism or social justice. I believe in neither. I am an admire of art and the famous portrait of Che Guevara. I admire his abilities as a freedom fighter and his strategies, but I do not admire the heinous actions of the man that many know him for. He was a good strategist and a brilliant revolutionary, who fought with good cause, but he was truly a man with few morals.