10+ Reasons Not To Re-Elect Obama

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

It is hilarious that you think people don't get medical care because they can't afford it. You do realize it is already against the law for a hospital to turn patients away? Your grasp of reality is astounding.

Keep challenging me on my Romney comments all you want to, I will make the thread when I am good and ready. For a Obama fan, you sure do like to bully people around. I thought you folks were trying to outlaw bullying?

edit on 18-4-2012 by sageofmonticello because: (no reason given)

Yes the Obama comrades are trying to get rid of bullying, and make the government more "transparent"

also Obama supporters are against censoring of the internet (wait... that was an Obama lie)

reply to post by SaturnFX


And bi non bias you mean the Liberal slanted main stream media? I am not going to argue with you, you seem to resort to laughing and making fun of others. I keep up with the news well enough but no I do not typically read the site I listed there. And maybe your not checking the right news sources. I wasnt wrong no matter how much you would like that to be true. He wants to change the tax codes for the extremely wealthy taking away some of their ability to file deductions which means their return is much smaller which means the government gets more money from them which if my math is correct is the same as taxing them higher. Maybe I am stupid, who knows.

www.businessweek.com...

www.reuters.com...

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...

Go ahead. Make fun some more. I am not afraid of Bullies. Its sad that that someone with a different opinion than you gets under your skin so much. It was not my intention. Just trying to add to the discussion but it seems that is frowned upon.

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I don't have the energy nor do you have enough of my respect to reply to your propaganda responses twice, so I will just link to my previous response to you.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The truth of my list stands on its own two feet. You can have whatever opinion you want and spin things however you feel necessary, I could care less about bickering with you until I am blue in the face, it doesn't serve much purpose. You have said your thoughts and readers can make up their own mind.

My opinion is your argument is a very weak one. I imagine your thoughts on mine are similar. We can leave it at that.

On a side note, your condescending tone speaks volumes to your character.

edit on 18-4-2012 by sageofmonticello because: (no reason given)

There is not "truth" in your list...it is full of false information...I pointed them out...you are deflecting by linking an old reply where I addressed your "counter points" if you want to call them that.

It's funny that you create a thread about these top 10 reasons...and when someone responds to you about them...you all of a sudden have no interest in discussing them.

If I have a condescending tone...it's because the facts are on my side and they destroys the misinformation you are trying to spread...so yes...it will seem condescending to someone who is wrong....people who are wrong often feel like people are being condescending when pointing out their faults.


Question: Why make a thread if you have no interest in discussing the topic when people respond???

reply to post by DrNotforhire


Really? Cause the last poll I saw showed Obama beating Romney. If you like Romney how can you not like Obama? You honestly can't give me any examples of how Romneys voting record differs in ideology from Obama?

You have already stated that you don't care what I show you, so the question remains... why are you bothering to respond to me and why should I bother responding to you? Vote for who ever you want to. I am simply trying to make my case in this thread, if you don't care to look at anything I say to you feel free to move along or create your own thread.

reply to post by TheTardis

And bi non bias you mean the Liberal slanted main stream media?

Facts have a liberal bias...well because they are facts.

Conservative talking points tend to be false information...how dare that evil liberal media point this out.

reply to post by sageofmonticello


I guess you only see what you want to see... Here's a post that shows you Obama is behind

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by TheTardis
Why is it nearly 4 years later everything is still blamed on GWB? Its ok in the first year two to blame the outgoing president. But were nearly 4 years in now and still blaming him?

Dude, it depends on the issue.

If Nixon caused some catastrophy, then its approprate to blame Nixon for the problem.
Each POTUS after answers for what they did to counter the problem, but the root is never forgotten.

Clinton actually does share some blame in the economic and corporate issues that effected all of this, however, Clinton basically put a pot on the stove. GWB let it boil over and ruin the counter.

The issue of why people cry out over Bush is because of many reasons...for instance, we face a debt crisis because GWB took a surplus and turned it into a massive deficit immediately. He kicked the foundation out from under us, flat out. And we are STILL dealing with the GWB "stimulus" that was meant to expire ages ago. That is one of many issues that is legacy of the previous administration.

I liked GWB..sort of..in that thought he was a down to earth sort of guy. I don't "hate" him..I can't hate him, I don't know him personally. But, his policys were categorically disastrous for the country and world, and there is not an economist alive whom would disagree with this. We are still feeling the massive ripples of this, and will be for potentially decades more unless we act in unison to mitigate the losses.
And we won't..because politics isn't about mitigating losses, its about spinning reality and amping up losses, then blaming the other side for the loss.

Our entire political system has gone rogue.

And you dont think 9/11 had any part in that? We hit rock bottom after that. If he had set on that stockpile and done nothing with it we would be blaming him for that right now. He couldnt win either way but blaming him now when we have had many years to recover from that is not the way to go. But the argument here is more than we had another stimulus this time around and the money was spent in all of the wrong places. Unlike the Bush stimulus which gave money directly to the people who in turn spent it at local businesses or on bills a lot of the Obama stimulus went to making billboards, fixing bridges to people who bought new homes or cash for clunkers. It was a flawed concept. People who already owned a home got screwed, people that didnt want to go plunk down cash on a new car or house got kind of hosed in that deal. It was a failure and cost us billions. Obama is not without blame. That stimulus done correctly might have pulled us out of this mess, not plunged us further. Every president has to pick up the pieces from the last. But at some point he has to stop blaming the previous president and own up to the mistakes.

The greatest thing to ever happen to the Republicans was losing the 2008 election - otherwise they would have to OWN the financial disaster their policies created. The bailouts, the runaway debt, the destabilization of the Middle East, etc.

Having Obama come into office right at the peak of those disasters allowed them to slink out of the public eye and begin transferring all blame to the other party - exacerbated by their constant filibustering any attempt to recover from the meltdown.

The last 8 years of GOP White House rule is all I need to know that I will never, ever, vote Republican again.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Question: Why make a thread if you have no interest in discussing the topic when people respond???

I answered that in my OP. Did you bother reading it oh great keeper of truth? I made this thread so people could add to my list with their reasons. Let me quote the relevant text for you

Please add in your reasons with your replies as I hope for this thread to be a resource for us in the future and I would like to hear what I left out.

I don't need to defend my list against your spin and propaganda. I really could care less about arguing with you. These are simply 10 of my reasons not to vote for Obama. You can take them or leave them, it appears as though you would like to leave them. Good for you and you even explained why. Sounds like you have said your peace.

If I have a condescending tone...it's because the facts are on my side and they destroys the misinformation you are trying to spread

Well, that is what you think. Good for you, I happen to think the facts are on my side and have already responded to your criticism. I realize we disagree and I am not going to waste my time trying to prove to you otherwise what you will never accept. We have been down that road before and I value my time a bit more than that. I have no motivation to argue with you for the rest of the day.

Nothing you have said has destroyed anything. Approved Obama truth squad responses are simply propaganda and spin. I don't have time for the left/right lies nor do I have any motivation to respond to arrogance. I have already given way more time than you deserve.

My ten reasons not to vote for Obama!
1) he has done nothing but tighten our chains of bondage!
2) he has not brought us out of a recession we are now over 15 trillion in debt!
3) he has terminated a US citizen with extreme prejudice!
4) he has committed several acts of treason!
5) he has blatantly lied about campaign promises!
6) he has sold us out more deeply to the banksters!
7) he has committed fraud on the American people!
8) he has nullified most of what was left of the constitution!
9) he has tried to promote racial tension! 10) he is an illegal alien posing as a US citizen!

Sorry if I listed any reason or reasons that have already been posted but I feel one can not over post his deficiencies!

reply to post by DrNotforhire


yea, I only see what I want to see... because Rasmussen polls say that Obama will win. How is that what I want to see? Do you forget that I started a thread entitled "10 reasons not to re-elect Obama"

We have a difference in opinion on Romney. I am willing to leave it at that as i feel you are a good person and I don't have the heart to keep arguing with you.

Originally posted by TheTardis
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

And bi non bias you mean the Liberal slanted main stream media?

So, if its not in the bunker collecting guns right wing conspiracy website, then its liberal. Gotcha.
Nevermind then..carry on.

I am not going to argue with you,

You were arguing with me? I thought we were discussing

you seem to resort to laughing and making fun of others.

Care to point out where I made fun of "others"?

I keep up with the news well enough but no I do not typically read the site I listed there. And maybe your not checking the right news sources.

I tend to view many angles. I read the actual liberal websites, I read things like WND and the like to hear what outlandishness is coming from the right, I read overseas stuff for perspective, and draw my conclusions accordingly.
If there is a bill passed and the two sides are spinning what it means, I will in fact read the relevant bits of the bill and employ logic and reason for truth...no spin necessary.
This is how to come to an understanding.
I am a liberal, therefore my comfort zone is things like thedailybeast and such for my get angry news..and you will rarely if ever see me posting something on here from there...because I know its jaded and slanted to the left...but I will investigate the truth in things they report on if it is important enough.

I wasnt wrong no matter how much you would like that to be true. He wants to change the tax codes for the extremely wealthy taking away some of their ability to file deductions which means their return is much smaller which means the government gets more money from them which if my math is correct is the same as taxing them higher. Maybe I am stupid, who knows.

No, your not stupid, your just gullible

Outlining some areas he may cut if elected president, Republican Mitt Romney said he would "probably eliminate" the second home mortgage deduction for "high-income people," and likely get rid of deductions for state income and property taxes.

His remarks were overheard at a closed-door fundraiser by some reporters on Sunday. They provided greater detail than Romney's previous public statements in discussing tax policy and what federal agencies and departments he would eliminate, NBC News reported.

He might..he might also sell moon gold to the pleadians. Until it is on his actual agenda, he can say he might do lots of things...
But he won't. Like saying he might increase taxes on oil drilling when talking to a bunch of green energy campaign contributors.
Closed door fundraisers should say it all, and even a "might" under those circumstances.

Its good to read through the political jargon. When a running politician closes a door and says they might do something, just give them a million bucks and see what happens, you can safely assume that won't happen once the check is cashed.

www.businessweek.com...

www.reuters.com...

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...

Go ahead. Make fun some more. I am not afraid of Bullies. Its sad that that someone with a different opinion than you gets under your skin so much. It was not my intention. Just trying to add to the discussion but it seems that is frowned upon.

You know what is amusing...the articles you post are slamming him for even suggesting that, considering it is anti-right wing stances.

I agree with him btw, yes...remove it...glad he is moving towards the center (or according to todays right wing, the far left) in the whole idea of redistribution from top to the bottom (or frankly, from the top into the black hole called the debt). But this is him bucking the platform verses running with it...and he will be pushed in line by his party over such a fiasco.

Already they are hinting at him to stop talking that way

Officials with the Republican campaign said Mr. Romney was just tossing out ideas at the fund-raiser, not unveiling new policies.

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by DrNotforhire

 

yea, I only see what I want to see... because Rasmussen polls say that Obama will win. How is that what I want to see? Do you forget that I started a thread entitled "10 reasons not to re-elect Obama"

We have a difference in opinion on Romney. I am willing to leave it at that.

edit on 18-4-2012 by sageofmonticello because: (no reason given)

Agreed! And to be honest I don't want to fight about it... This is what they want (seriously)! So let's just stick to the basis of "anyone but Obama 2012" Maybe we need more "hope" I can't even use this word seriously anymore

reply to post by ajay59


Thank you so much. Love the list. I think it is better than mine. I am happy I finally got a response in this thread that is actually ON TOPIC.

My top 10 (without reference list and in one word or so)

1. ACTA
2. Syria
3. Egypt.
4. Solyundra
5. Geightner
6. GSA
7. Fast and Furious
8. Obama Care
9. ACORN
10. tax raises

reply to post by sageofmonticello


You are most welcome! It does not take a genius to recognize the short-comings of the current potus! All one has to do is wake up. I really do not believe Obamney will lead us into a brighter future! That is why I will write in anybody rather than vote for the choices thrust upon us by TPTB!

Originally posted by TheTardis

And you dont think 9/11 had any part in that? We hit rock bottom after that.

Actually no, we didn't hit rock bottom
We went through a blip of downturn during the uncertainty, but it was just that, a blip.

But this has nothing to do with the BTC, the first round of BTC came in July of 2001, not after september. By then we already destroyed the surplus
Then we got hit
Then we went into 2 wars, and cut taxes AGAIN during wartime.

in 2001, the economy was still strong. It was a bubble waiting to burst mind you, but it wasn't requiring drastic measures. Our economic model is made on bubble and burst and frankly, is inefficient.

But ya, your debate on the BTC was a response to 9/11 is incorrect, unless there are psychics working on capitol hill.

And it helped nobody except for wealth disparity anyhow...there was no sudden massive job growth (we were still peaking from the Clinton years). It was a move to make good to his friends and campaign contributors (the very wealthy))

but blaming him now when we have had many years to recover from that is not the way to go.

the BTC was due to expire in 2010. You may remember the kurfuffle that happened, no time now (or ever) to "raise" taxes (meaning let the expiration date happen) to the top earners and such
The blame is not on the guy, but the policys still in effect, and protected by the right wing mob

But the argument here is more than we had another stimulus this time around and the money was spent in all of the wrong places.

Actually, the obama stimulus was mostly tax cuts again...same damn place...except this time it actually was in reaction to a disaster (the famous bush "oops, I broke the economy, goodbye" speech made sure to cause a spiral).

Anyhow, your going to vote for Romney..thats fine. At least its not Gingrich or Santorum...Obama, but with a more ruthless corporate feel and less...erm...personality.

Yep George Bush spent 6 trillion dollars in his first 3 years the simple fact is OBama has spend more than bush did in both his terms.

Expanded Government powers more than any president iin us history since FDR.

Spent 787 trillion on a stimulus that bailed out Unions

Wasted billions on failed green corporate fascism like solyndras and first solars.


The only reason i need to not vote for OBama is he is the worst president this nation has ever had

Originally posted by CALGARIAN
Pretty decent list. They are the major points most Republicans make daily on CNN...

Still?

He will beat Romney.

I disagree. The Fast and Furious Operation is more than an embarrassment it is an evil attempt to control/diminish our 2nd Amendments rights by providing American guns to drug lords to murder Mexicans. Murdering people to promote an anti-gun legislation is pure unadulterated evil. Holder will be packing his bags soon. Napolitano is probably dealing with explosive diarrhea and is on tranquilizers since the book came out.

The more facts that emerge about Fast and Furious, the worse it gets. A new book by investigative journalist Katy Pavlich vigorously argues that the Obama administration okayed this evil operation—which resulted in the murder or wounding of some 200 Mexicans and the slaying of an American border patrol agent—simply to try to strengthen their case for tightening gun control. Officials followed that disaster with a scandalous cover-up, shamelessly protecting their own tails rather than holding the guilty accountable.

www.thetrumpet.com...

If you in good conscience could vote for an Administration with blood on its hands, you don't have a good conscience.

Two more congressmen hit Holder for Fast and Furious, 120 now want resignation

Read more: dailycaller.com...

reply to post by SaturnFX


Look.. I'm not trying to turn this into a pissing contest but Saying my posts are "comical" and that your not sure if they are even for real is making fun of someone. You can believe that if you want but that is how it is perceived by me or anyone else reading this. Your trying to be a bully.

And as for me just blindly believing or why I shouldn't blindly believe Romney, I never said I believed him. I said that is what he is proposing. Should I just sit back and not say a word? Would that be better for you? Because you are telling me I shouldn't believe him yet your going to believe that Obama is going to follow through this time? He has a track record of not following through on his promises from the campaign trail but "this time" is going to be different? Why not give someone else a shot?