The DHS is KGB...... (America has been invaded by Russia)

I'm bowing out to sleep but I'll keep this thread open in my browser in case any evidence crops up.. I'm anxious to read about any actual, interesting, credible links ..

Again, give us something definitive to grasp on to. So far this is what you've got:

• The KGB is a Russian government agency
* The DHS is a U.S. government agency
* A former KGB agent now works for the DHS.
* Ergo, the DHS is KGB.

Not quite the most compelling evidence by any stretch of the imagination.

reply to post by maria_stardust


Dear Maria Stardust,
May your chains rest lightly.
thehoneycomb

www.alipac.us...

Most of us are aware of the Reece Committee Hearings in 1953 during which Norman Dodd was told by the President of the Ford Foundation that the Foundation received its orders from the White House on how it should spend its tax-exempt monies. The orders were to spend the money to change America so it could be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union (Lenin's international socialism...world government, being implemented right now) President Eisenhower was President at the time, and in 1958 signed the first agreements with the Soviet Union at the peak of the Cold War, in various areas, including space, education, medicine, arts, etc. In 1985 President Reagan signed the most extensive education agreements at the same time the Carnegie Corporation signed agreements with the Soviet Academy of Science.

The neoconservatives did everything possible to keep this information from the American people. About fifty patriotic Americans contributed $5000 to purchase a one-page ad in The Washington Times which explained what had happened. Four years later the President of America's Future, the late Robert Morris (who had been the counsel for the Congressional Committee investigating communism in the schools in the early fifties...was a good friend of the late Bella Dodd's) upon assuming his new job, found an article I had written in the inbox of the former President of America's Future, and called me, shocked, needless to say. He had no knowledge Ronald Reagan had signed these agreements. He immediately published my article "Soviets in the Classroom...America's Latest Education Fad" in 1989, four years after the fact.

Much has transpired since that time with Soviet police working with American police in the subways, American and Russian army divisions conducting joint peacekeeping exercises in 1993, etc., etc. The National Republican Senatorial Committee, which works to elect GOP candidates to the U.S. Senate, even went so far in 1993 as to invite Gorbachev to be a speaker at one of its fund-raising luncheons.

So, should we be surprised at the news covered in the American Free Press, April 21, 2002, entitled "Get Ready for the Sovietization of America" by Al Martin, author of The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider"? Martin's article reveals that the former Russian Premier and head of the KGB (the secret police of the former Soviet Union), Gen. Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the Department of Homeland Security. Of interest also, according to an article in the April 21, 2003 issue of The New American entitled "Our enemy, Our Ally" by William Norman Grigg, is fact that Primakov is a close friend of Saddam Hussein.

*Charlotte Iserbyt was a senior policy advisor for the Reagan Administration. She also wrote this www.newswithviews.com...

Yevgeny Primakov

In February and March 2003, he visited Iraq and talked with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, as a special representative of President Vladimir Putin. He brought to Baghdad a message from Putin to call for Saddam to resign voluntarily.[11] He tried to prevent the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, a move which received some support from several nations opposed to the war. Primakov suggested that Saddam must hand over all Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to the United Nations, among other things.[12] "Saddam tapped me on the shoulder and went out of the room", Primakov recalled.[12] Saddam showed strong confidence that nothing terrible will happen with him personally. In Primakov's opinion, this confidence was the result of Iraqi secret relationship with U.S., and the rapid execution of Saddam did not allow him to "say the last word" to uncover the whole game. "And if he had said all this, I assure you, it was very uncomfortable to sit in the President chair for the current President of the United States", Primakov assured.[11]
In November 2004, Primakov testified in defense of the former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milošević, on trial for war crimes. Earlier, he was the leader of a Russian delegation that met with Slobodan Milosevic during NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.
On 11 December 2007, Primakov said at a meeting with Putin that the course followed by Putin should be continued, as Putin prepares to leave the presidency in 2008. He said that there were two threats to this course: one from neo-liberals and the oligarchs, and one from those seeking the merger "of the state apparatus with business" in order to create an "administrative-market society".[13]
On 21 February 2011, Primakov announced that he would resign as President of the Russian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, effective 4 March 2011.[14]

www.apfn.net...

Primakov: Former Soviet KGB general as US national security adviser

US 'Homeland Security' has the inmates running the jails, with their careers build and based on controlling populations through real fear, threats, kidnapping, jailing, torture, poisoning and murder, with a by Bush proposed Attorney General like Gonzales, legalizing it all.

by Henk Ruyssenaars - the Foreign Press Foundation


FPF-18-01-2005 - One of the many alarming items not covered - but 'covered-up' - by the mainstream media, is the fact that former Soviet secret service KGB
generals Yevgeny Primakov and Oleg Kalugin, as commentator at FOX 'News', as well as Markus Wolfe, the former head of the feared Secret East German State
Police (Stasi) apparently work for the US's 'New World Order' as security specialists.*

What kind of work - overtly sometimes - those 'Homeland Security' secret service specialists do for the present malicious government of the United States - with it's own global spy and terror networks* - was shown last year, when United Nations Secretary General - Kofi Annan - convened a group of 'high ranking experts', to assess threats to international peace and security, and the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

As a foreign correspondent based in Scandinavia for many years, the undersigned often 'covered' all those fake so called 'non proliferation talks' - which were
mostly held in the pleasant Finnish capital Helsinki. But in the conference halls the US and USSR politicians with some 'allies' and their weird 'Dr. Strangeloves'* and 'advisers', never spoke about getting rid of nuclear weapons.

Oh, I thought you where talking about those young beautiful women at the food stamp office, (All Russian) sexy, nice & smart. DHS. (Department of Human Services) I like em, I think your barking out your ass! can't you find something better to Squawk about?? don't waste your time & mine!! Well let em come, - I say... They are more than welcome in my book! "With Love - Baby"
DUBACK

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I find russian girls to be pretty sexy too.

No issues there. LOL

Well, from what I see, there's still no proof of the claim you're making - that the DHS is the KGB... You're making quite a leap.. the fact that the US hired a former KGB guy as a national security CONSULTANT is a far cry from the DHS being the KGB, the KGB being an agency that was dismantled in 1991 and no longer exists.

In parentheses, you suggest we've been invaded by Russia and that is even further from reality..

The sources you provide are questionable at best, and even they don't make the assertion that the DHS is the KGB .. They point out that the former KGB general was hired as a consultant.. The articles do go on to throw in a lot of conjecture and conspiracy opinion/rhetoric.. but just as this thread so far, they too provide no evidence of their beliefs.. they are merely opinions with no fact to support them.. the only fact in this entire thread, and the sources provided.. is that the US hired former KGB.. and as I've said several times already, the US has been in that practice since the cold war.. just as Russia has been with our agents.. Most countries that have an intelligence agency engage in this practice, it's just how it's always been .. We, I am SURE, have national security consultants from other countries as well .. they are CONSULTANTS =)... That doesn't mean their various agencies ARE the DHS either...

There's a distinction between national security consultant and advisor as well .. we only have one national security advisor per presidential term, and that office has never been held but a Russian.. during Bush Jr.'s term, that was Condoleeza Rice for term 1 and Stephen Hadley for term 2.. some of your sources cite the former KGB as national security advisor, so that makes them, by default - incorrect ..

Source: Wikipedia - List of US National Security Advisors

So where's the proof? So far it's just rehashing the same points.. Maria's last post really says it best, that's the leap that is being made and so far there's been zero proof provided to substantiate such a wild claim.

Ps. I agree, Russian women can be gorgeous.

Just as a further note..

I've been reading up on the former KGB and I've found no evidence that they have actually been hired by the US Government, only that Yevgeny Primakov was a player during the Saddam Husseine "situation" .. but what I've read, he was sent to Iraq on Putin's behalf .. and that was to try to convince Saddam to hand over his weapons.. he also tried to prevent the US lead invasion into Iraq.

For someone running the DHS he doesn't have much pull .. and might I add, Yevgeny Primakov was never head of the KGB as some of the material suggests.. They also label him General.. he was not.. he was deputy chair of the KGB and has never served in the military.. he was more an executive than anything else.. These sources are filled with incorrect information and simply are not reputable.

Can you find any corroborating evidence to back up your claim that this guy was ACTUALLY hired as National Security Consultant? When I search for his name with the word homeland security all I find is conspiracy blogs and sites I don't think most would consider as reputable sources of information .. they all are basically regurgitating the same text and also provide no evidence..

Have you actually researched any of this before accepting it and expanding on it?

THE ONLY tiny shred of truth to this is Oleg Kalugin who was former KGB.. he was exiled to the united states, but has never been an employee of the US Government.. he does however run a counterintelligence consulting firm in Washington, so it would be at least conceivable that the Government might contract his company for intelligence purposes.. whether they have or not is unknown.. but still a very far cry from your original claim that the DHS is KGB..

Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti translated into English means...Department of Homeland Security. Maybe we have people infiltrated into the KGB too?

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Nice find, I've thought that for years, not just DHS but the whole damn government. I've wished people would wake up and drop that Nazi, Fascist crap and see what ideology we've been turning into the last 70 or so years.

reply to post by michaelbrux


It is very, very close to being too late. Problem is, demoralization has already taken place. Destabilization and then normalization are next. Once destabilization happens, there's no real turning back for a long time. Normalization is where people begin to be systematically eliminated, starting with the revolutionaries.

#Yuri Bezmenov

reply to post by Mr Headshot


Agreed. Thank you for posting.

reply to post by miniatus


Seems to me that if the DHS let's members of the KGB in, for the interest of National Security, then they have set the bar dangerously low.

If you were going to join the Army, US Citizenship is a requirement.

www.militaryspot.com...

Citizenship Requirements
You must be a U.S. citizen or a legal permanent resident alien to enlist in the Army. People considered to be aliens who have been lawfully and permanently admitted to the United States and requested permanent residence may enlist BUT with limitations. Nationals of the United States, such as the American Samoa, people who were born in the 50 United States including the commonwealths, Guam, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the District of Columbia and people born abroad on a military installation, or born abroad of U.S. parents who were citizens at the time are eligible for enlistment

To become a police officer you must reach this same requirement.

education-portal.com...

Step 1: Meet Basic Prerequisites
All police departments require their police officers to have at least a high school diploma or equivalent education. While some departments hire graduates right out of high school, most require potential officers to be at least 21 years old. Thus, students who are hired after high school must work and train until they are 21 in order to become an officer. Other basic prerequisites for police officers include being a U.S. citizen and having a valid drivers license and clean record.

But the DHS is not held to the same standard? And you are telling me that you are ok with this?

With the passage of NDAA the government is now targeting citizens and militia groups as potential terrorists, when the DHS turns arms against it's own citizens will you be ok with it then? Militia groups are protected by the 2nd Amendment. They have as much history in this nation as America itself.

The no fly list has doubled, and the DHS is asking you to alert the "authorities" if thats what you want to call them, just because you suspect that you see your neighbor doing something suspicious. According to their definition that could be something as simple as snapping a photograph. Is that the direction you think this country should go?

Has DHS made this country any safer?
Is DHS protected by the US Constitution or is it in fact unconstitutional?

You tell me.

Perhaps this is evidence, on you tube, search for
Michael Chertoff Ashkenazi head of Homeland Security
Keep in mind that there is persistant movement of Russian Jews to Israel.
Keep in mind that likely Obama, who no one who was at Columbia U at the time Obama was writing a thesis on russian nuclear tactics can confirm, may have attended Patrice Lumumba U in Moscow...
you can google or duckduckgo or yahoo or bing for these links if you want to confirm this...

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Any news source that has on its homepage a banner reading "Was christ's excrutiating pain ...." is nothing eles but the typical X-tian "Communism is BAD" reaction. Thus "News within News ..." is just again "blame the commies ..." fearmongering.
IF the KGB really would be running the show in the USA, you would find out damn fast.

This is my thoughts on this junk I think this world needs to start working as one and start going into space for more resources so we can someday find other planets to live on. We need to put our petty differences aside. You would think as long as we have been here by now we would be getting along better. I guess just look at it like this we have not nuked each other yet. Thank God. That's all I have..

Well , when I first came on the Internet a few years back I got a link to Christopher Storys site worldreports.org... it took me a couple weeks reading everything that would open . The news archive at the bottom has a ton of stuff .. He talked about this kind of stuff going on behind the scenes ...There were people that said he was as crazy as Fulford ..I thought it was a good read but like most things I read I have no way of proving it ..this thread would rank right up there with his story and I am sure there is info there that could lend to this one ..


way too much work for me., and even if someone was to figure it all out then you are either dead or missing ....I like reading the end of the story and the part where God says He will put hooks into the jaws of Magog (Russia) and draw them into war with Israel and destroy them ..any how thanks op it was a good read ..not sure where to file it in this little piece of gray matter but thanks ...peace

reply to post by thehoneycomb


One thing giving me pause is the author of the article even got the name "Office of Information Awareness (OIA)" wrong. There is an "Information Awareness Office (IAO), which appears to be what this person is talking about. They track and monitor Terrorists and outside threats.

How can I take the rest seriously when there appears to be nothing to back any of it up?

Bad sources yield bad information.

This is pretty much what the "John Birch Society" pushed for decades. Most young folks never heard of them because their ideas never checked out and their membership were for the most part on the nutty side. Older folks will remember their "Get us out of the UN" signs on the sides of roads, often in front of members houses in rural areas. I had an Uncle who was a key player in that group. Nice man but had some very bizarre and untrue ideas that ruled his thoughts.

reply to post by the2ofusr1


Thank you. I will look into it.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Thats a good point and I will consider it. Part of my problem with making this post was that there are very few sources for legitimate information. I think having knowledge of the russian language would be helpful, hopefully somebody who understands the language will come across this post and help us out. I think that if this is true, they have done a very good job covering it up. Anyhow thats why I posted, I hope that someone on ATS might look into it and uncover a few sources that might yield more information.

In any case I think it's important to compare and contrast the two orginizations. The following kind of sums up the nature of the KGB. To compare and contrast, I think this rightly has in common with DHS. They seem to make intelligence gathering a high priority and it would also explain a lot of government spying programs.

en.wikipedia.org...

Mode of operation

A 1983 Time magazine article reported that the KGB was the world's most effective information-gathering organization.[4] It operated legal and illegal espionage residencies in target countries where a legal resident gathered intelligence while based at the Soviet Embassy or Consulate, and, if caught, was protected from prosecution by diplomatic immunity. At best, the compromised spy either returned to the Soviet Union or was declared persona non grata and expelled by the government of the target country. The illegal resident spied, unprotected by diplomatic immunity, and worked independently of Soviet diplomatic and trade missions, (cf. the non-official cover CIA agent). In its early history, the KGB valued illegal spies more than legal spies, because illegal spies infiltrated their targets with greater ease. The KGB residency executed four types of espionage: (i) political, (ii) economic, (iii) military-strategic, and (iv) disinformation, effected with "active measures" (PR Line), counter-intelligence and security (KR Line), and scientific–technological intelligence (X Line); quotidian duties included SIGINT (RP Line) and illegal support (N Line).[5]
The KGB classified its spies as agents (intelligence providers) and controllers (intelligence relayers). The false-identity or legend assumed by a USSR-born illegal spy was elaborate, using the life of either a "live double" (participant to the fabrication) or a "dead double" (whose identity is tailored to the spy). The agent then substantiated his or her legend by living it in a foreign country, before emigrating to the target country, thus the sending of US-bound illegal residents via the Soviet embassy in Ottawa, Canada. Tradecraft included stealing and photographing documents, code-names, contacts, targets, and dead letter boxes, and working as a "friend of the cause" or agents provocateur, who would infiltrate the target group to sow dissension, influence policy, and arrange kidnappings and assassinations.[citation needed]

Also for your consideration there are similarities between DHS and the SS.

en.wikipedia.org...

Origins
The group was first formed in 1923, as a company of the SA who were given the task of protecting senior leaders of the Nazi Party at rallies, speeches, and other public events. Commanded by Emil Maurice, and known as the Stabswache (Staff Guard), the original group consisted of eight men and was modeled after the Erhardt Naval Brigade, a violent Freikorps of the time.
After the failed 1923 Putsch by the Nazi Party, the SA and the Stabswache were abolished, yet they returned in 1925. At that time, the Stabswache was reestablished as the 30-man "Stosstrupp Adolf Hitler", given the task of providing personal protection for Hitler at Nazi Party functions and events. That same year, the Stosstrupp was expanded to a national level, and renamed successively the Sturmstaffel (storm squadron), then the Schutzkommando (protection command), and finally the Schutzstaffel (SS). The new SS was delegated to be a protection company of various Nazi Party leaders throughout Germany. Hitler's personal SS protection unit was later enlarged to include combat units and after April 13, 1934, was known as the Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler (LSSAH).[10] After Germany mobilized in 1939, the combat units in the LSSAH were mobilized as well, leaving behind an honour guard battalion to protect Hitler. It is these SS troops that are seen at the Reich Chancellery and Hitler's Obersalzberg estate in his personal 8 mm movies.
[edit]Development


The black cap with a Totenkopf of the SS
Between 1925 and 1929, the SS was considered merely a small Gruppe of the SA and numbered no more than 1000 personnel; by 1929 that number was down to 280. On January 6, 1929, Hitler appointed Himmler as the leader of the SS, and by the end of 1932, the SS had 52,000 members. By the end of the next year, it had over 209,000 members. Himmler's expansion of the SS was based on models from other groups, such as the Knights Templar and the Italian Blackshirts. According to SS-Obergruppenführer and General of the Waffen-SS, Karl Wolff, it was also based on the model from the Society of Jesus of absolute obedience to the Pope. A motto of the SS was "Treu, Tapfer, Gehorsam" ("Loyalty, Valiance, Obedience").[11]
Before 1929, the SS wore the same brown uniform as the SA, with the exception of a black tie and a black cap with a Totenkopf ("death's head") skull and bones symbol on it. In that year Himmler extended the black colour to include breeches, boots, belts, and armband edges; and in 1932 they adopted the all-black uniform, designed by Prof. Diebitsch and Walter Heck.[5] In 1936 an "earth-grey" uniform was issued. The Waffen ("armed") SS wore a field-grey (feldgrau) uniform similar to the regular army, or Heer. During the war, Waffen-SS units wore a wide range of items printed with camouflage patterns (such as Platanenmuster, Erbsenmuster, captured Italian Telo Mimetico, etc.), while their feldgrau uniforms became largely indistinguishable from those of the Heer, save for the insignia. In 1945, the SS adopted the Leibermuster disruptive pattern that inspired many forms of modern battle dress, although it was not widely issued before the end of the war.