Rapture vs NONE rapture (dialogue to all christians)

reply to post by SimonPeter

I also know that you read too much literature not inspired of God and it has compromised your faith .

I have an organic sort of faith based on personal experience and not dependent on what other people say.
All this end-of-the-world mythologizing is by men who I have no confidence in, who are enjoying the earthly benefits of their work.

reply to post by jmdewey60


You aren't a 7th day adventist you are a Jehovas Witness .

reply to post by SimonPeter


I just went from being a conservative fundamentalist type Christian, to a liberal type Christian.
JW believe in a creepy (to me) end of the world type scenario.
My basic thesis is that God sent Jesus into the world in order to save it, not to set up some man-promoting sort of kingdom, since that is what he was saving the world from.
People are supposed to be self-less in that they care about others as much as themselves, not to become kings and rulers and to have servants and slaves.

reply to post by jmdewey60


I think you have it mixed up ! You have it your way at Burger king . God didn't consult me or you when he made his plans . It is what it is! It's his way or else . If you get to be god it will be your way .
Jesus was the Lord come down and took on flesh. He is the Lord not a man .
Still you haven't addressed the fact that Jesus the Lord has not yet came back to save Israel as told by Ezekiel .

reply to post by SimonPeter


I think that (have it your way) is what you are doing.
The way I look at it is either you view it from a Christian perspective or from a Jewish perspective. Apparently you take it from the point of view of a Jew, for whatever reason.
The Christian point of view would be taking Revelation and understanding Gog and Magog as a figurative representation of this threatening presence on the periphery, who is done away with along with death in some hypothetical way-off future we never have to worry about in practical terms.

reply to post by jmdewey60


You have dodged the question again .

reply to post by SimonPeter

When I see all of the Tattoo's and body mutilation along with the Goth , I know that Satan is responsible.

Come on, I have tattoos. Do you eat shrimp or wear blended fabrics? If you're gonna follow the law, follow the whole law baby.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

"The day of the Lord" begins when he comes back to Earth, judges the nations, and rules from David's throne in Jerusalem fulfilling the promise made to Mary.

You mean that's your theory.
It doesn't actually say that anywhere.

Gabriel to Mary:

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

You have dodged the question again .

He never considers that the purpose of redeeming Israel is for them to BECOME Christians. To bring them to their Messiah the Lord.

reply to post by SimonPeter

We can and should not try to stop the Tribulation . It's Gods Plan and he will see to it .

Do you realize just how appallingly immoral that statement is?

The Christian will be the most dangerous enemy of the NWO . The Christian will not be able to own property as they will be alien to and unregistered in the new system .

The Christian majority in this country is bringing this on themselves. Just stop. Stop giving money to Jewish causes. Stop sending money for building illegal settlements on Palestinian land. Stop voting for AIPAC endorsed politicians. Stop thinking that the Jews are anything other than people. It's as simple as that. Stop funding and politically supporting Palestinian tribulation.

It's the Jewish Talmud that demands beheading of Christians. Don't you get it?
see my thread: Official Religion of the United States

reply to post by SimonPeter

You have dodged the question again

I am guessing you mean the Gog and Magog thing.
It is not something of concern in the normal, real-life world.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Gabriel to Mary:

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"

Which is not elaborated on or defined.
Also, it may be offered to him in a symbolic way, which he declines to take in an earthly way, and takes up instead in heaven as explained in Psalms.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

He never considers that the purpose of redeeming Israel . . .

You never quote a verse that says that, just talk about it as if somewhere it says that.
I went through Romans 11 looking for something like that and did not find it.

reply to post by jmdewey60


You really need help my friend . Not necessarily for what you believe but how you believe it .I literally can't understand why you even bother reading the bible .It scares me to think how you reason out day to day things . I'm sure you hear that a lot . The bible is true or it's a lie !

reply to post by SimonPeter

You sound like a fundamentalist.
And not just that, but one who thinks the Old Testament still has to be fulfilled.
I don't see that as being anything connected to being a Christian.
I would have to classify you as a cult member.
You belong to the NWO cult while believing somehow you are anti-NWO.
I know there are people like that because I used to listen to this internet radio show called Escape the Beast, where he was telling people how to fight the NWO by being a Christian, but I tried to tell him that what he mistakenly took to be Christianity was actually a cult invented by the NWO.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Gabriel to Mary:

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"

Which is not elaborated on or defined.
Also, it may be offered to him in a symbolic way, which he declines to take in an earthly way, and takes up instead in heaven as explained in Psalms.

Not elaborated or defined? It's the Davidic Covenant. Do you ever read the OT??

"When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne shall be established forever" (2 Samuel 7:12-16)

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

He never considers that the purpose of redeeming Israel . . .

You never quote a verse that says that, just talk about it as if somewhere it says that.
I went through Romans 11 looking for something like that and did not find it.

Verse 1, verse 11, verse 12, verse 15, verse 23, verse 24, verse 25, verse 26, verse 27, verse 28, verse 29, verse 31, verse 32.

It appears you're ignorant to the mystery of their election and redemption. (Verse 25)

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Just wondering...

If that was supposed to refer to Jesus, what "iniquity" did he commit?

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Just wondering...

If that was supposed to refer to Jesus, what "iniquity" did he commit?

God placed on Him the iniquity of us all. He took all our sins upon Him and God judged all mankind's sin. That was the purpose of the redemption.

"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

Isaiah 53:6

reply to post by NOTurTypical


That doesn't answer the question...

If HE commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.

What was his iniquity?