Vitamin C is Above Top Secret: We all have a MAJOR genetic disease! Three grams of Vitamin C a day

Originally posted by PuppyOnTheRadio
Part of the issue here is that cavemen (horrible phrase - let's say early Homo sapiens) obtained their foods from non-agricultural methods, or naturally grown. We have since moved into an agricultural revolution, where we started to grow crops. This was all well and good for a while, but growing the same crops in the same area has a tendency to reduce the vitamin levels in the subsequent fruit (as they have been leeched from the soil).

agriculture has nothing to do with vitamin levels in fruit, in fact agriculture increased vitamin levels! mostly because we could eat more fruit and vegetables of a wider range, due to splicing plants to make easier to eat fruit, or do you really think that banana we have now is natural? it isn't, it is the product of artificial selection by farmers over hundreds or thousands of years.
also vitamins don't come from the ground, where did you get that idea from? they are organic compounds produced in organic life: plants, animals,etc.
are you talking about inorganic compounds plants need to grow? people in the past realized what you are taking issue with, they invented crop rotation to let the minerals in the earth replenish and they planted things or used manure or compost to renew the land.

i'd like to see proof that fruit doesn't have vitamins we need in them, because if you produce the same nutrients plants need, the plants shouldn't have issues with growth.

reply to post by demongoat


There's nothing wrong with us? Speak for yourself! My gene is broken (you are correct, sir, it is gene and not enzyme), as defined by the user two above you on the thread, a user who says the crazy huge amount I am taking a day according to some users (3g) is like spitting into a rainstorm in order to make the grass grow, He or she says we all need 10 grams a day (read that post, an interesting read). Do you even take one gram a day? Oh wait, in America the government says we only need 60mg, about 170 times less than the 10g mentioned by that poster, which is why people are all over the map on this.

There is nothing like agreement to make the heart grow fonder (fonder for Vitamin C!)

reply to post by MrSelfDestruct


I know! According to the one guy you need to take 120 of those. So here we have the central issue of the matter, that very smart people on this thread are all over the lot about how much to take, why we need it, etc. yet according to the people here who sound most informed the extremely low amount in multivitamins and recommended by governments pales next to what we really should be taking. I choose 3g a day because of what the American government legally mandated that zoos and other insitutions which held Great Apes had to give them a body-weight equivalent of 3.6 grams a day in Vitamin C.

None dare call it conspiracy? Oh wait, that's been used before.

Originally posted by MrSelfDestruct
Right ok people, I may be being retarded, so a little help if possible. I'm giving this a go... i'm not sure of how good it is though tbh. I picked up multivitamins yesterday with something like 80mg of vit C and those fizzy tablet things which are just vit C at 240mg.

So i'm going to have to take 12 of those fizzy tabs a day?

And also, if I shouldn't focus on consuming loads of produce like peppers and oranges because of chemicals, then what about the chemicals in the pills? surely they're not great either

you should try get something like this...
www.hollandandbarrett.ie...

i bough this product just over a week ago, it contains 2500-3000mg or 2.5-3g or vitamin C per half teaspoon full. its pure ascorbic acid so it kinda tasts very salty buy its ok when desolved in the likes of orange juice, or any juice.

iv bein taking miltivitamins and vitamin c for a while now but find this way easier for taking higher doses of C without eating half the kitchen table, also cuts out the useless colors and flavours and other impurities when trying to take high doses of C.

reply to post by PuppyOnTheRadio


crop rotation is for the soil and to keep bugs from staying in one spot, it has nothing to do with the vegetable/fruit getting vitamins. granted, the plant does better when the farmer rotates (depending on the crop though), but if it werent rotated, it wouldnt grow period and "amount of vitamins" wouldn't even matter. just saying,that was inaccurate, peace

Just shut your trap if all you can point out is that we don't 'manufacture' vitamin C. Maybe we don't need to because there is another system our body uses to repair itself that is more advanced? Maybe we stopped making vitamin C because we are actually a problem for the earth, and the earth is trying to cleanse itself? What the heck would you know? You may be part of the problem!

Just stop freaking trying to change every natural thing you see. Go with the flow. It will eventually catch up with you, and when it does, it will be rougher than it was when you began trying to fight it.

reply to post by daynight42


To open my trap again, our lack of making Vitamin C is not natural, if anything it is unnatural. When our gene broke (maybe Mother Nature broke it?) while even the tiniest insect's flying over the landscape didn't and continues to make large amounts of ascorbic acid - as is natural - primates eventually evolved enough to both discover it and find a way to rectify the situation. We should both be glad we live in such an era where we can know such things as well as do something about it.

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by MrSelfDestruct

 

I choose 3g a day because of what the American government legally mandated that zoos and other institutions which held Great Apes had to give them a body-weight equivalent of 3.6 grams a day in Vitamin C.

None dare call it conspiracy? Oh wait, that's been used before.

That was a very intriguing statement about mandated vitamin c for great apes ...

I also read about the work of Linus Pauling and Vitamin C with regard to Heart Disease ...

I started taking 3g per day spaced through the day in 500mg doses about 3 months ago ...

I am almost never sick anyway, but my blood pressure was high so Vitamin C along with being well hydrated has reduced it ...

FDA

AMA

Mayo Clinic

I would give them another hand gesture but ATS doesn't seem to provide that one ...

reply to post by Aleister


I hate to be the bearer of science fiction, but if you look at the books Jurassic Park and The Lost World by Micheal Crichton, they bred the dinosaurs to be Lysene deficient as a means of control and restraint. I know it sounds far fetched, but if the ancient astronaut theories are correct, and we are the result of ancient genetic manipulation, wouldn't it be entirely plausible that our lack of Vit C is a control measure? I mean look at how they're making supplements and natural remedies illegal. I know it sounds kooky, but some food for thought at least.

TextThank you for sharing this valuable info. Yes, I also agree with taking B of Soda or whatever method of alkalinizing your system (raw juice of one lemon in water everyday).

reply to post by AuranVector


For those of you that are watching your sodium intake, be aware that B. Soda will help in alkalizing your body and help balance your PH -- BUT be aware that B. Soda also contains sodium. You might find the lemon juice a better solution. Also be aware that cancer cannot thrive in alkalized tissue so there is a great afvantage in keeping your PH levels.

reply to post by braydenf


FDA outlawing injectable Vitamin C

reply to post by Aleister


Thinking about it, perhaps we lost the ability to make C in our bodies, if we ever had it, due to genetic bottleneck events, I'm imagining the great apes who were living in Africa with the early humans may also have suffered the same genetic bottleneck. who knows.

Meave Leakey, a palaeontologist and Genographic adviser, said: "Who would have thought that as recently as 70,000 years ago, extremes of climate had reduced our population to such small numbers that we were on the very edge of extinction."
The number of early humans may have shrunk to as low as just 2,000 before it began to rise again in the early Stone Age, an extensive new genetic study suggested (2008)

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Thought I'd share the alarming decline in US food nutrional value over the last 100 years .....

scary graph for loss of minerals: .. hope this isn't right !
www.nutritionsecurity.org...

"Food grown in depleted, nutrient deficient soils lacks the nutrients needed to keep people healthy. The nutritional content of harvested food produced today is significantly different from the food produced seventy years ago."
www.nutritionsecurity.org...


"researchers from the University of Texas (UT) at Austin’s Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry was published in December 2004 in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition. They studied U.S. Department of Agriculture nutritional data from both 1950 and 1999 for 43 different vegetables and fruits, finding “reliable declines” in the amount of protein, calcium, phosphorus, iron, riboflavin (vitamin B2) and vitamin C over the past half century. "
www.scientificamerican.com...

I guess the main thing is to eat as much raw fruits and veggies as possible, and try to avoid the irradaited stuff (tends to have lower vitamin levels...due to travel and shelf life etc.)
When cooking veggies, do not prep them early (exposure to oxygen / light reduces some vitamin content), light steaming will preserve a lot more of the nutrition, and should be eaten as soon as possible after cooking. If you boil, try to use the water as gravy, slow cooking crock pots will really decimate the vitamins.

more reading here:
chestofbooks.com...

Link showing the irradiation symbol:
www.farmtoconsumer.org...

reply to post by Aleister


Vitamin C as an anti-inflammatory:

Inflammation kills.

“If you suffer from joint pain, arthritis, pain from joint damage, muscle ache from illness or fatigue, or even muscle strain, topical ascorbic acid should be an ingredient in the treatment course.”

“Vitamin C is shown to significantly reduce inflammation in a variety of ailments, from leg ulcers (frequently associated with diabetes, injuries, or infections, to various dermatological diseases, to arthritis.”

Vitamin C mixed with maltodextrin (a food additive starch) created an ointment used on venous leg ulcer patients with significant success.

“Vitamin C researcher and physician Robert F. Cathcart treated over 9,000 patients suffering from a variety of ailments with tremendous success.”

www.articlesbase.com...

reply to post by Aleister


Vitamin C: Candida Fighter & Adrenal (Energy) Booster

Candida (systemic yeast) is common because of the widespread & indiscriminate use of antibiotics. Candida is also considered to be a precursor to Cancer.

“Vitamin C helps with Candida overgrowth in three ways. First, it provides support to your adrenals, two small organs that are crucial for your metabolism and blood sugar regulation (as well as your body’s production of things like anti-inflammatories and antihistamines).”

“Second, Vitamin C boosts your immune system and gives your body the best chance possible to fight off the Candida yeast. Lastly, it helps boost your stomach acid, which slows the Candida overgrowth.”

“Vitamin C is an often recommended treatment for over stressed and fatigued adrenals.”

“Some of the HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS of Vitamin C in your entire body are actually found in your ADRENALS.”

“Taking a good Vitamin C supplement will restore your adrenal glands to health, build up your immune system and allow your body to fight off the Candida. Healthier adrenal glands mean more energy and a higher metabolism too!”

www.thecandidadiet.com...

reply to post by Aleister


Codex Alimentarius: Big Brother's Plan to Control Health Supplements

“The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by FAO and WHO to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme.”

They have been trying for years to control our access to natural herbal supplements and vitamins by sneaking thru new laws.

TPTB do not want healthy slaves with clear minds.

If you don’t want to be forced to go to a medical doctor to get a prescription for Vitamin C, be aware:

educate-yourself.org...

reply to post by AuranVector


See I found something to agree with the anti inflamation you quoted.

And well what a great thread this has been, found something to try help my poor limping old dog, she actually fell and grazed her chin the other day... at least I've got a new avenue to try :

"Despite the evidence, the medical community was not impressed until a double-blind crossover study performed by veterinarian L. Phillips Brown proved what many dog lovers already knew: crush a 1000 mg tablet of vitamin C in with Lucky’s lunch and he loses his limp. Brown’s research also revealed an additional fact: a specific type of vitamin C, Ester-C, was more effective than traditional ascorbic acid."


How much C is enough ? How to tell for yourself:

"For those who want vitamin C’s benefits, but don’t want to take a single milligram extra, do what the dog breeders do with their dogs. Increase your dosage of C until your stool loosens. From that point, cut back the amount of C by a half-gram until the stool firms again. Breeders believe that this is the vitamin C saturation point."

www.afpafitness.com...

I want to thank the member that brought up the idea of nutrient deficient foods from the ground...I hadn't thought about that, and it stuck in my head as I was reading through to the end of the thread to see if anyone had replied to my inquiry about powdered vitamin C.

I hadn't thought about how foods get their nutrients from the soil directly or indirectly...if the land is deficient in minerals, then it stands to reason that the food would be to.

I think this is a very important point to consider, especially for people like me who generally try to get all my nutrients from diet alone...I may have to re-examine that stance - which is very important.

Wasn't there some sort of prophecy from somewhere that stated we would all be starving with full bellies, or something like that?

Thanks for bringing it up.

YES, there is lots of printed controversy, but there are also lots of printed studies that organics (and ABSOLUTELY wildcrafted food!) is far superior in nutrients.

Try it. Eat it. Live it. See how you feel. I know it took some time to adjust, but cleaning up my diet and living as purely as possible eventually allowed me to really discern the difference between excellent produce and not-so-good produce. Occasionally, some fresh and great conventional will slip through the cracks, but the standards for soil handling in organic vs. conventional alone are enough to add huge credibility to the idea...

And wild stuff just takes the cake. There is loads of Vitamin C in cedar, something that is literally everywhere, where I live...

For some really fascinating discussion about Vitamin C and its effects on the brain, look up "Left in the Dark" by Tony Wright on Youtube... lots of compelling interviews!

reply to post by AuranVector


What good information from you and the other posters. From what I've learned here I'm increasing my C intake to 4 grams a day, and maybe 5. Thanks for all the data!

I'm going to link some of the other threads ATS has on C, most of them from several years ago:

[www.abovetopsecret.com... Vitamin C prevents radiation damage]
[www.abovetopsecret.com... Vitamin C conspiracy]
[www.abovetopsecret.com... How Vitamin C affects the eye and the brain]
[www.abovetopsecret.com... Vitamin C, Teeth, and Dentists]
[www.abovetopsecret.com... Vitamin C and Astral Projection]
[www.abovetopsecret.com... High Vitamin C level linked to decreased stroke risk]
[www.abovetopsecret.com... Vitamin C and cholesterol]
[www.abovetopsecret.com... Vitamin C and avian flu (plus additional data)