The belief that Fallen Angels mated with human women

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by purplemer
There are legends that talk about humans being mixed with animals. What do you think a Minotaur is or a Medusa.. Just becaause we cannot mix species does not mean it cannot be done..

That freaks them out doesn't it when we affirm these ancient stories and tales of the men "of renown" are all true, just the idiots worshiped them as gods instead of understanding they were the seed of the serpent, the offspring of satans handiwork and not gods whatsoever.

Are you also saying that humans and animals can be mixed via sexual reproduction? Or are you talking about genetic manipulation? If you're talking about genetic manipulation then are you confirming what I said earlier about the hybrids being born by genetic manipulation?

Originally posted by autowrench

Why is it then the Hebrew do not believe in Jesus?

1. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
And that's not all.....
26 Reasons Jews do not believe in Jesus

1. Jesus will fulfill the messianic prophecies, but just because He didn't do it the way the Jews thought he would or in their time isn't Jesus' problem, but the Jews' problem.

2. Jesus did embody the qualifications of the Messiah, but they chose to overlook the proof. Both Jesus and Mary were descendants of King David. If the Jews have a problem with God's perfect seed being implanted into Mary, that's their problem. If Joseph provided the seed, it would have had to be implanted into a perfect woman and since Jesus was to be the only perfect human, it had to come through an earthly woman. Otherwise, we would have had a perfect mother creating a perfect son and only one of them could have been perfect.

3. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are not mistranslated. What's mistranslated is the Jews' interpretation of the Bible. When your website uses verses such as Numbers 23:19 as proof that God was not a man by stating:

19) God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that he should repent.

It's only because the Jews misinterpreted the verse. First of all, Jesus had not come yet, so no, at that time God had not taken on human form in the way of Jesus yet. But when they use the part where it says, "nor a son of man", it is true because Jesus was not the "son of man", He was the "Son of God'. Because Jesus was the Son of God, he was perfect and did not lie.

4. As for everything to become truth only after it's become a "national revelation" is only more proof of the fallen angels in charge of nations as outlined many times throughout the Bible. The truth will be revealed to the Jews when Satan and his minions are removed.

If the Jews want to ignore the New Testament because it incorporates gentiles (the animals) into God's plan, that's their problem once again, not God's. They've already proven that they don't understand the scripture that was already given to them, so how do we expect them to understand the New Testament.

From my understanding Angels and Demons are two separate things... Demons are the half souls of the Giants.. I curse put on by God for the fallen angel's abomination. If there is proof of these giants that means all this did happen. And if that is the case, all these so called fairy tales are actually true. Like someone mentioned before this would make since of how the Greeks came up with their gods and semi gods.. I also believe that all these ancient beliefs are of a factual nature. How else could they have lasted for so long if they were just fictional stories. There is a battle going on. That is been going on for a very long time, and is still going on today. You just have to open your eyes to see it.

reply to post by lupr3


The story of David battling and killing the Giant, Goliath, can be found in 1 Samuel 17.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Deetermined


The one thing I wondered about this story, was that David took his sword to cut off his head. But David was a young man and that sword must have weighed a good bit more than he could swing... But in the end if God is backing you that shouldn’t be a problem.

reply to post by Deetermined

Both Jesus and Mary were descendants of King David.

May I respectfully ask how you know this to be true? Have you seen the genealogy charts for the House of David? In my research, I was able to track Miriam's family to Egypt, and came to the conclusion she was an Egyptian Princess. Now before you go off on a tangent, remember this; I refer you to Matthew 2.

2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

I believe they traveled to Egypt not to "get away" from Herod, but to present the baby to his Grandfather. There has to be a very good reason why Miriam was not stoned as an adulteress, and for bearing a child out of wedlock, according to Jewish Law. However, if she were in fact an Egyptian Princess, they would not dare touch her.
If this theory theory is correct, the child actually was born in Egypt. Egypt was the traditional place of asylum for Jews whose safety was threatened in Israel; Alexandria was easily reached from Judea and contained well-established Jewish communities at the time of Jesus. In all probability, the emergency refuge of Mary Magdalena (Miriam) and Joseph of Arimathea was Egypt. And later--years later--they left Alexandria and sought an even safer haven on the coast of France.

In the town of Les Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer in France, there is a festival every May 23 to 25 at a shrine in honor of Saint Sarah the Egyptian, also called Sara Kali, the "Black Queen." Close scrutiny reveals that this festival, which originated in the Middle Ages, is in honor of an "Egyptian" child who accompanied Mary Magdalena, Martha, and Lazarus, arriving with them in a small boat that came ashore at this location in approximately 42 C.E.

Originally posted by lupr3
reply to post by Deetermined

 

The one thing I wondered about this story, was that David took his sword to cut off his head. But David was a young man and that sword must have weighed a good bit more than he could swing... But in the end if God is backing you that shouldn’t be a problem.

The account of the battle between David and Goliath is given in 1 Samuel, chapter 17. Saul and the Israelites are facing the Philistines at the Valley of Elah.
Reading the Biblical story, one is led to believe that David could not lift King Saul's sword, so he took instead only his sling. But amazingly, after hitting the Giant with a stone and killing him, David then lifts a sword perhaps twice the size and weight of King Saul's sword. Christians will say God gave David the strength, but my question is, where was God a few minutes before, when David needed a sword?

reply to post by autowrench


Mary Magdalene was not Jesus' mother. They are not the same Mary.

reply to post by Deetermined

OK, I think I get it now. The Hebrews, who have been keeping their Holy Scriptures pure since the beginning of mankind, and having the Torah, and Talmud, both which use Hebrew letters and associated numbers....the basis of the Christian Bible.......

Are in fact all wrong, and the Hebrews do not know what they are talking about. However, later Greek and English were able to figure out the EXACT truth in the entire story, and faithfully change the wrong text so it would reflect the truth. That about right, Deetermined?

Now that you hear how that sounds, what thinks you? I have an email friend, used to be my neighbor, who is a Hebrew Scholar, he studies the Ancient Texts, and understand some of the Ancient tongues. This man is very religious. When asked about Jesus as a God, he responded that to worship a man as a God damns one's soul, and is detestable before God. He is also the one who pointed me to the information I posted. Shall I now tell him he does not know what he is talking about? Just asking.

reply to post by autowrench


Obviously, with God's help, David was able to prove that he didn't need a sword to kill Goliath. That was the point of the whole story.

Read 1 Samuel 17:45-47.

David says that the Lord does not save with sword and spear; for the battle is the Lord's.

reply to post by autowrench


The Hebrew Holy Scripture is pure, but the Jews were not, that's why they don't understand it.

The Bible goes to great lengths to discuss all of the misunderstandings that the Jews would have until the Second Coming of Jesus to clarify it for them. Doesn't the Old Testament alone point out all the errors that the Jews kept making over and over when it came to what God told them to do? We don't even need the New Testament to point all of that out.

Originally posted by Deetermined
2. Jesus did embody the qualifications of the Messiah, but they chose to overlook the proof. Both Jesus and Mary were descendants of King David. If the Jews have a problem with God's perfect seed being implanted into Mary, that's their problem. If Joseph provided the seed, it would have had to be implanted into a perfect woman and since Jesus was to be the only perfect human, it had to come through an earthly woman. Otherwise, we would have had a perfect mother creating a perfect son and only one of them could have been perfect.

The reason this doesn't work is because the lineage had to come down through the male, not the female. And being that Joseph wasn't the father, then Jesus didn't come from David's lineage.

www.aish.com...

Rabbi Shagra Simmons
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father ― and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by purplemer
There are legends that talk about humans being mixed with animals. What do you think a Minotaur is or a Medusa.. Just becaause we cannot mix species does not mean it cannot be done..

That freaks them out doesn't it when we affirm these ancient stories and tales of the men "of renown" are all true, just the idiots worshiped them as gods instead of understanding they were the seed of the serpent, the offspring of satans handiwork and not gods whatsoever.

Are you also saying that humans and animals can be mixed via sexual reproduction? Or are you talking about genetic manipulation? If you're talking about genetic manipulation then are you confirming what I said earlier about the hybrids being born by genetic manipulation?

The text doesn't specify HOW they did it, it just says they DID do it and the WHY is easily inferable from the text for why they again did it in the land of Caanan after the flood. Everything we're doing now is in the realm of speculation. I mean, it's fun to speculate don't get me wrong, but there is no Biblical doctrine available for the how details, only the why aspect of it.

reply to post by Hydroman

Where did you get this information?

If I tell you are you going to then ask 356 subsequent irrelevant questions about it? I've learned that I have to be careful what answers I give you, you'll run down those trails full speed and a page later we are nowhere near the original point. In another thread you spent 3+ pages arguing that Einstein was wrong about E=mc^2 and I simply answered a question pointedly and succinctly.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


interresting. Reminds me of those human fetuses in cow eggs. The fetuses are 99% human and... 1% cow. (Google it to read more).
U2U

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

interresting.

Reminds me of those human fetuses in cow eggs. The fetuses are 99% human and... 1% cow. (Google it to read more).
U2U

Briefly, I do have to get in the tub here soon, have to drive north for a funeral.

Originally posted by lupr3
reply to post by Deetermined

 

The one thing I wondered about this story, was that David took his sword to cut off his head. But David was a young man and that sword must have weighed a good bit more than he could swing... But in the end if God is backing you that shouldn’t be a problem.

If it weighed 75 lbs he could hoist it over his head and let the weight of the falling sword do the "work". Here is a question, David picked up 5 stones from the river. Why did he do this? Was he unsure of his aim?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Rabbi Shagra Simmons
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father ― and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

Now see, how much sense does that last sentence make? If they required the Messiah to be pure human, they already failed themselves. The only way to save humans is through a perfect source with supernatural qualities. Man was never capable of saving themselves, thats why God constantly had to intervene. What part of this do the Jews not understand? How did they not already understand this through their own experiences with God?

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by autowrench

 

Obviously, with God's help, David was able to prove that he didn't need a sword to kill Goliath. That was the point of the whole story.

Read 1 Samuel 17:45-47.

David says that the Lord does not save with sword and spear; for the battle is the Lord's.

Well, also Goliath of Gath was armored for conventional warfare, he had no experience or armor for the weapon of a young shepard boy. He had no clue he was about to be owned in a seriously embarrassing manner. His pride had a great deal to do with his demise as well.

reply to post by Hydroman

The reason this doesn't work is because the lineage had to come down through the male, not the female. And being that Joseph wasn't the father, then Jesus didn't come from David's lineage.

Absurd. Joseph and Mary were from the tribe of Judah, and from different sons of Solomon. Yeshua was the Son of Mary by birth and the Son of Joseph by adoption. Adopted son's had full privilege inheritance rights as natural born sons.