Is suicide a human right?

I believe it is, sure, if you want to take your own life, so be it.

Suicide is murder. No one has the right to murder. Just because it is self murder, does not justify it.

It is wrong and morally repugnant. How twisted to call it a human right.

ETA:

If you're unsure on whether suicide is not murder think of all the other "cides" out there, homocide, fratridicde, infanticide, genocide, etc. etc. etc. Which other forms of these "murders" are also just? Was this a joke? I think I'm being played. But this world is so twisted, and the people on this board so morally crass, perhaps this is real?

Originally posted by Minori
reply to post by RSF77

 

They are not only hurting themselves but everyone around them.
That is why it is considered a selfish act.
All parties involved suffer.

PLPL

If people were really responsible and empathic of the emotional well being of others, then the person probably wouldn't have committed suicide in the first place.

People don't just up and one day decide "Oh, today I think I'll kill myself", they become that way because of their situation and environment. Obviously a person who wants to commit suicide isn't be cared for too much and any pain caused by the persons suicide probably isn't going to be entirely sincere.

reply to post by SubAce


So is abortion, but you don't see that stopping anytime soon. To me, abortion is murder

We Can't commit suiside. We don't own ourselfs. If God can't own us the governments will. It all comes down to money. That is what we were placed on this earth for. The meaning of life. The element that sustains life.

Of course it's a right...who's going to stop us? So many ways to take your own life. Although, suicide is extremely devastating on family members. I think even if I were terminally ill, I would stay alive as long as I could bare it for my kids.

Yes, I think if you have people that love you, it's and extremely selfish act.

Let see things a bit more clearly.

Suicide, well, if you decide to end your life because you dont have any choices anymore, i can understand it.
If your road is so painful to walk, i can see wht you mean, if you dont have anyone to talk with to help you solve your problems, i understand when you tak about suicide.

But if you tell me you want to kill yourself , i will try to stop you.


For different reasons:

1/ if you kill yourself, i might have to live with your death on my consciousness.
2/ if you kill yourself,i will never have the pleasure to talk to you
3/im feeling moraly guilty


But let see after a close inspection

All those reasons are good reasons, right ?

But mainly when we tell people to not kill themselves, there is a part of egoism.
Egoism, because we want to keep them alive while they suffer, we want to keep talking to thems, while they are suffering, we want them alive, because we are afraid of death, because once they're dead, we gonna have to deal with the fear.


So, what im saying is:we dont want to see people killing themselves, because we're afraid of being alone

On a side note, i know we also sincerely love , but love cant alway solve issues, and sometimes; love is simply not enough to help those we love

In my case, i understand the pain suicide can cause around , but i can also understand why people decide to kill themselves.

Suicide is not a weakness.

I know it is a human right to commit suicide I ever wanted too just as it is my right to do anything else I want to. Though I have that right it does not mean I am free to live without the consequences. I really could not care less about the law in terms of abiding by it, I just do what I feel is right in any given situation, every human has a right to do anything to themselves in my opinion.

Quick side note, though I feel suicide is a human right I disagree with it unless you are in a situation where you are hooked up to some monitor having to be fed and clothed etc. I do not think it is selfish in this case either.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


That's right keep on listening to big pharma and say pop a pill and you will be happy it's a chemical thingy in your brain, I know cuz I read it somewhere by doctor something....

Just pop a pill and it'll go away! Happiness by the milligram!

F*** pills and big pharma, heal yourself that's what I've been doing and still alive after 12 years so it's possible to live without the drugs, drugs are not always the answer ( or in my case never have been)

Peace not pills

My thought on this is that we, constitutionally, have the absolute freedom to do whatever makes us happy, as long as it harms no one else.

So, I think taking our own lives should be within those rights. If we don't have the right to destroy ourselves, that implies that our bodies and souls belong to the government, right? At the least, it's implying that our bodies are not our own.

Yeah, I think we have the right to kill ourselves. The question is, is it a good idea...?

Originally posted by doomedtoday
reply to post by Skepticesque

 

I am 24 and I have suffered from major depression from 5 years old, I know that sounds like bs but I assure you it isn't. I also have borderline personality disorder. I think about offing myself way too much, it really doesn't help when nothing ever goes your way or works out good for you in life. Killing yourself is the easy way out, even though if something doesn't work out for me within the next few years and I get stuck with all of this student loan debt without any hopes of a job, I'll pretty much have no choice anymore. I've called people who have killed themselves from depression cowards, half of them didn't even have it as bad as I do... Not everyone who does it is a coward. But if you do it because you're too weak to keep fighting, what are you? I fight this battle each and every day, it sucks, it really does, but you have to keep fighting - especially if you have children. I hate myself so much because I want to die and just have it all end already, I shouldn't feel that way, I have children that need me, that is me being selfish. Killing yourself from something like depression is a weakness, this is coming from a man who will never stop suffering from the condition. However, if you are terminal and suffering, and there's no chance of getting better, you should be able to make the decision, no reason to suffer if there is no hope anyway.

I'm sorry to hear your state of mind situation. I hope that something comes your way that will change that. But then again, major depression, they say, is a mental illness caused by a chemical imbalance in your brain. The question is: Are we born with that chemical imbalance, or does something happen in our lives that create that imbalance?

I used to be a social worker in NY, and I used to work with people with all kind of mental illness. I saw second hand the suffering they go through everyday, and how they battle it. Even so, I cannot imagine what you are going through. You sound like a smart person and pretty aware of your situation, and I'm pretty sure you've seek out professional help.

Why am I saying all this to you? My best friend suffers from major depression as well. Twice he tried to kill himself, and I was able to come to his aid and talked him out of it. Many times I saw his struggles, and how a new car, girls, trips to different places did nothing to alleviate his agony. It's hard, and I respect and admire your determination to continue to live... if not for you, for people that love you and need you.

It is a human right by virtue of the fact that we have the ability to make the decision and commit the act. I don't think it is the right thing to do, even though I have actually thought about it many times myself out of depression.

I know I am a host in this body, and for me to use it and sling it to the side when I feel like it seems ungrateful. You chose this body and all its defaults before entering it. This little adventure will be over before you know it and only lasts a short period on the other side timeline.

I have experience with this topic, hence why/how I have stated the above. The thought of being a biological entity spawned over many years is not how we came into existence but we wanted the illusion of it because it brings a wider understanding of who you are on the other side, and feels special "Oh look we are the most powerful things in existence" we not. Many will not understand what iv written even though you already know it.


Should it be a human right NO. If we all knew we came from a much much better place but chose to come here as work....and had the choice to clock out early many people would regardless of knowing where we came from or not. Then make this game not work. But its totally irrelevant, there are thousands of words pertaining to situations floating around us constantly forcing us to play by these rules witch ultimately make this illusion of reality. What am I getting at? at the point just before attempting suicide your on the edge of reality, just about to leave it maybe hope divine intervention will jump in and reveal its self and at the same time everything in this reality is null all the laws breakdown views of relationships get taken to there simplest. Suicide the word brings thought of shame, cowardliness, weakness...or so I am told.

We have the right to end our life if we chose. Why? Because it is OUR life. Just like women and birth control/ abortion/ etc. No one has the right to tell me what we I can and cannot do with MY body. No one owns me, not the government, not my parents, no ONE. If someone feels like suicide is the only way out, please get some counseling and if you still feel like you have no choice then, do what you feel is right, but NEVER take children or another person with you. I am sick of reading stories of stupid people trying to kill themselves and their kids, or actually doing it. As for those, who are sick and would rather be dead, then hey, why not? They don't want to be in pain anymore, they don't want to be in misery. If they chose to die, then let it be.

If someone wants to end their life, they don't require a right to do it.

Some people may do it out of a feeling they cannot control the circumstances of their lives, yet we see homeless people all around who managed to survive awful conditions because they still have some kind of survival instinct. Kudos to them.
That being said, I am going to bring up a political aspect of this...assisted suicide. It involves the Affordable Health Care Act, otherwise affectionately dubbed Obamacare.
The powers that be, including but not limited to the Rockefeller clan and the Club of Rome, have a plan to de-populate the earth to a "sustainable" number of humans. This plan is reflected in the UN Agenda 21 document and those who espouse it.
That also being said, the Affordable Health Care Act being a socialist plan to centralize control of health care at least in increments starting with the passage of the Act, means that the govt will have centralized control including the termination of our individual lives. While many here seem to believe that it is our right to take our own lives from a Libertarian perspective, the other side of that sword is a law which gives govt more control over our lives by determining who gets to live and who gets what life-saving surgeries. Case in point, Obama's own admittance he believed his own grandma should not have hip surgery due to her age(ironically it is usually elder people who require the surgery) and the Health Care Act seeks to minimize costs of health care....we should all be looking at that and the agenda of controlling costs by withholding certain kinds of care.
Now I will get to the heavy here....

Part of the controversial health care reform proposal in Congress that discusses “end-of-life” counseling and medical procedures that could be rationed based on the age of the patient and other factors was written by suicide advocates who argue openly for the “right” to death, according to reports.

The sources for the provisions have been documented on a blog for Family Research Council Action and discussed by prominent pro-life columnist Jill Stanek.
“Come again that promotion of euthanasia isn’t part of Section 1233?” Stanek wrote in her new explanation of the dangers of the health care plan. “Kudos to FRC’s The Cloakroom …for drawing attention to the fact that the two authors of Section 1233 are major proponents of euthanasia and assisted suicide.”

The authors of the section include an Oregon congressman who has argued for assisted suicide before federal courts and an organization that openly boasts it helps “thousands of clients each year by … guiding their search for a peaceful, humane death….”

“The group Compassion & Choices, formerly known as the Hemlock Society, also says it had a hand in crafting Section 1233, writing July 27: ‘Compassion & Choices has worked tirelessly with supportive members of Congress to include in proposed reform legislation a provision requiring Medicare to cover patient consultation with their doctors about end-of-life choice (section 1233 of House Bill 3200),’” she wrote.

www.wnd.com...


So, wow, with as many advocates here on this forum who are sporting for the right to end one's life, do they realize that there are groups involved in Obamacare who really want to help them along...???

Originally posted by Manhater
I believe suicide is a human right. It is there body to do what they want to it and no one should intervene with that

Mind, soul & spirit.

No. Imo, it is not our right. This is not my opinion, but, that of my soul.

reply to post by spy66

In this capitalistic society. capitalism and democracy has taken over our human rights.

You are using hatred of Capitalism to defend your right to take your own life? When did a Capitalist ever demand you stay alive ? Or maybe it's really a rant against Big Pharma whom you deem to be making a profit off the extension of your life. In any case, it is not Capitalists who are demanding you not take your life. Or is it that you feel that Capitalists are responsible for your misery? Perhaps you could explain your theory a bit more.

I recall watching a movie (www.imdb.com...) based on euthanasia. I recommend watching it. Made me burst with tears.

People are too quick to decide what is better for others. No, you cannot declare someone else coward for suiciding. You may have far too many problems or maybe you have more courage and willpower but you aren't that person and that person isn't you. You can't know what the other person is going through. IMO, suicide is a human right but one must assess all the other options before choosing it.

Originally posted by SubAce
Suicide is murder. No one has the right to murder. Just because it is self murder, does not justify it.

It is wrong and morally repugnant. How twisted to call it a human right.

ETA:

If you're unsure on whether suicide is not murder think of all the other "cides" out there, homocide, fratridicde, infanticide, genocide, etc. etc. etc. Which other forms of these "murders" are also just? Was this a joke? I think I'm being played. But this world is so twisted, and the people on this board so morally crass, perhaps this is real?

edit on 15-4-2012 by SubAce because: (no reason given)

Clearly you have not lived.

This world is a beautiful place, but it has much pain and suffering. Many people on this planet do not understand why they are here, subjected to constant torture. You do not know them, and you have no right to judge them if they make their final personal decision to end their life.

You base your argument off of the English language - if it ends in "cide" it is bad.
Yet you clearly have never watched someone you love die a slow and painful death.
With the law stating they cannot be put to rest, so they suffer needlessly.
Is this something you would wish on your mother?

Personal, isn't it.

That is why it is the individual's choice.

So, grow up.