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Originally posted by Xcathdra
You guys are incapable of understanding the difference between arguing how the law / process works and whats involved and a persons actual position on the issue.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
The police, to my knowledge, never interviewed the person who was on the phone with Trayvon at the time of the shooting.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
When the cell phone was located, it should have been elementary for law enforcement to find out who the victim had been talking to and what the actual call time was according to the phone records.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
GZ was never tested for alcohol or drugs, which should have been a basic step, to say the least -- especially in the case of a homicide. The police, though, made sure to test Trayvon for drugs, and the test was returned negative.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
According to reports, Trayvon's body was kept as an unidentified "John Doe" for three days, while his parents frantically tried to find out what happened to him. There are some indications that the police knew who he was, but deliberately did not notify his next of kin. We'll see if that's accurate.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
The case was actually closed, at the insistence of Police Chief Bill Lee and State Attorney Norman Wolfinger. If no national outrage had occurred, everything would have been swept right under the rug.
The lead detective investigating Trayvon Martin's death said his killer should have been arrested, but was told there would not be enough evidence to successfully prosecute.
Chris Serino, of Florida's Sanford Police Department, said he believed George Zimmerman should be charged with manslaughter for the February shooting of the unarmed 17-year-old in a gated community.
But the local state attorney overruled him, saying there was not enough evidence to convict him of the crime, which carries a maximum 15-year sentence.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...
Originally posted by shepseskaf
You seem to be placing a lot of faith in the fact that Wolfinger declined to prosecute. There are lots and lots of questions surrounding that decision, which is why the Governor of Florida removed Wolfinger and appointed the Special Prosecutor. Was GZ's father involved at all in the decision? We'll find out.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
Why did Wolfinger reject the recommendation to charge from lead investigator Chris Serino? In fact, Serino was so emphatic about his disagreement with the decision not to charge that he filed an affidavit -- way before any national outrage happened, so it wasn't because of any outside pressure being applied to him.
Many observers of this case smell both cover-up and prosecutorial misconduct surrounding the situation for the reasons I've outlined, and many more.
Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty...
First off - Forcing a suspect to undergo a blood / urine test against their will is a 4th amendment violation. Any evidence gleaned from that is considered fruit of the poisonous tree and is inadmissible in court. Any other evidence that was discovered from an illegal test would also be excluded for the same reasons. The Police do not test, the Coroner / ME does. Martin is tested because its a part of the autopsy. As I stated before just because a person is shot does not mean that is the sole cause of death (in this case the ME stated the gunshot was cause of death).
Originally posted by Deranged74
A in shape 28 y/o yes look at him recently he isnt fat or out of shape shot and killed a unarmed 17 y/o who was a beanpole.
Thats all the facts i really need.
Originally posted by Deranged74
reply to post by Xcathdra
Since you deal with law is it normal to drug test the victim and not the shooter?
Since your the expert and everything let me know.
Originally posted by Deranged74
reply to post by khimbar
Show me the life threatening injurys that would condone a shooting.
Im waiting to see these life threatening injurys.
Other than life threatening injurys why would Zim have to shoot Martin?
Ill be waiting for these pics of stitches, broke face, broke jaw, or whatever etc etc. ER record visits etcedit on 13-4-2012 by Deranged74 because: (no reason given)
Yes - A person cannot be forced to provide a sample. If they are its a 4th amendment violation
Originally posted by shepseskaf
Oh please, wise and wonderful x, continue to grace us with your extensive knowledge.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
What kind of "facts" will you be making up today? I'll be interested to see what you come up with.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
By the way, no one is saying that under the law GZ isn't innocent until proven guilty. This is a message board, and people are discussing their views. Some think he's guilty, and some don't.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
We all know that the court process will have to play itself out, so spare yourself the trouble of posting ponderous opuses about police and court procedure in the future.
The case was actually closed, at the insistence of Police Chief Bill Lee and State Attorney Norman Wolfinger. If no national outrage had occurred, everything would have been swept right under the rug.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Xcathdra
Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty...
And so is Trayvon Martin!
You've already convicted him of being a street thug deserving of a mob-style execution.
Actually no I have not but thanks for ignoring the posts. When you get time go back and read the posts and you will see what my position is.
Reading - Its our friend.. I highly encourage people to do it.
So taking away your fantasy of a middle-aged, overweight and out of shape guy against a buff football player, in real life, we have a very much in-shape, thin young man gunning down a 17 year old tall & thin young man.
Originally posted by Deranged74
reply to post by Blackmarketeer
true true I find it funny they are defending the guy who is alive and breathing who can hire real lawyers to defend himself. But the guy cold and dead in the ground does not get the same benefit from Zim supporters.
edit on 13-4-2012 by Deranged74 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Deranged74
reply to post by khimbar
Well you condone shooting unarmed men because of a little tussle?
I wonder how many shootings their would be every weekend in the usa if every bar, club fight ended up with someone shooting the other person? Thats what you are promoting isnt it?
Either the shooting was justified or it wasnt. The only way to justify shooting Martin is to show Zimmerman was in a immediate life threatening situation. And nothing shows that.