The Christ Deception: Proven!

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by Deetermined
First of all, all of symbols you mentioned were a part of ancient Mediterranean culture. It was their way of life and everything they already knew.

Why do you think God gave the Jews only Ten Commandments?

He didn't tell them to change everything they were doing, He only told them to do it in His name!

All of the other laws that the Jews followed were just to distinguish them as a people.

Same with Jesus. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the laws, just to fulfill them.

He gave them over 600 Commandments. Shows how much you know.

Fulfill which laws?

God's 10 Commandments are not the same as the Law of Moses...

ecclesia.org...

edit on 15-4-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

God's commandments came from the laws of Moses.

reply to post by reficul


kid why do you hate up on christianity? nor, do you have proof of what youre saying because those are serious allegations..

reply to post by Starchild23


Sorry, Starchild, the 10 commandments did not come from the Law of Moses. They came from stone tablets given to Moses by God. Moses' laws were written down by Moses himself. The 10 commandments were written by "God's finger". After the first tablets were destroyed, Moses had to go back and get them again from God. He did not rewrite them himself. It helps to argue the Bible once you've read it.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Sorry, Starchild, the 10 commandments did not come from the Law of Moses. They came from stone tablets given to Moses by God. Moses' laws were written down by Moses himself. The 10 commandments were written by "God's finger". After the first tablets were destroyed, Moses had to go back and get them again from God. He did not rewrite them himself. It helps to argue the Bible once you've read it.

Spot-on. I was about the post the same but you beat me to it.

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by Deetermined
First of all, all of symbols you mentioned were a part of ancient Mediterranean culture. It was their way of life and everything they already knew.

Why do you think God gave the Jews only Ten Commandments?

He didn't tell them to change everything they were doing, He only told them to do it in His name!

All of the other laws that the Jews followed were just to distinguish them as a people.

Same with Jesus. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the laws, just to fulfill them.

He gave them over 600 Commandments. Shows how much you know.

Fulfill which laws?

God's 10 Commandments are not the same as the Law of Moses...

ecclesia.org...

edit on 15-4-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

God's commandments came from the laws of Moses.

WAAAT!!?

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Starchild23

 

It helps to argue the Bible once you've read it.

Good point...

Originally posted by iamaperson

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Starchild23

 

It helps to argue the Bible once you've read it.

Good point...

I have read it. Why do you think I'm having such difficulty with it?

Did you know that in order to make more money, they've chosen a chunk of rock on Mount Sodom and called it Lot's wife? It's a tourist attraction now, for sheeple who can't tell the difference between a pillar of salt and an old rock!

Also, I've heard that the place of Jesus crucification can actually be found in Poland, rather than the Middle East.

Originally posted by Yellow

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Sorry, Starchild, the 10 commandments did not come from the Law of Moses. They came from stone tablets given to Moses by God. Moses' laws were written down by Moses himself. The 10 commandments were written by "God's finger". After the first tablets were destroyed, Moses had to go back and get them again from God. He did not rewrite them himself. It helps to argue the Bible once you've read it.

Spot-on. I was about the post the same but you beat me to it.

You missed my point entirely, Einstein. Maybe you should take your arrogance and buy it some education...

The Commandments were changed the second time around...which suggests that not even God's understanding of the rules, as regards our success with them and how we will behave under those guidelines, is perfect.

It implies that he changed his mind...and according to Christians, that never happens. How can God second-guess himself? That's blasphemy!

Originally posted by DenyTruth
reply to post by reficul

 

kid why do you hate up on christianity? nor, do you have proof of what youre saying because those are serious allegations..

The point I'm trying to make here is, no one can prove God does or does not exist. We just aren't smart enough, nor do we know enough, to prove either case.

Perhaps if we focused on how being good for the sake of goodness is in the best interests of everyone concerned, rather than on what god or philosophy to devote it to, this world would be much improved. That's what I'm saying.

All this arguing gets us nowhere...it only gives us a reason to fight and kill one another, as though we need any more reasons. We are the most powerful and intelligent species on the planet, the most viable candidates for protecting this world. Unfortunately, we are also our own worst enemies. Why not get along? That is really the only way to survive. The way we're going, the existence of a god is the least of our concerns. God won't have to kill or punish us...we'll do it ourselves.

reply to post by Starchild23


You're right, we don't need God to punish us because he knows we will destroy ourselves. That's why he sent Jesus Christ to save us and that's why Jesus will be returning a second time, to keep us from totally destroying God's creation. When Jesus returns, he will be battling Satan and his followers and taking those that are left to a New Jerusalem to show them what 1,000 years of peace will look like. After Jesus actually shows people what real peace looks like, He'll release Satan and his angels from the Abyss to allow them one last chance at deceiving people and allowing them to make their final choice and decision. Either follow God or follow Satan. After that 1,000 years are over, ALL (including Satan and his angels) will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgement.

reply to post by Starchild23


Where exactly are you getting your information that the 10 Commandments were changed the second time around? I looked at your original post link on this, but I saw no source from which this information came. To me it just looked like a set of laws regarding Passover. Maybe you can elaborate and provide another source.

reply to post by Deetermined


The first Ten Commandments (Exodus 20) which Moses dropped is different to the replacements (Exodus 34)

more on this here:
www.positiveatheism.org...

reply to post by Deetermined


Let's have a look, shall we?

If we are to take them in order, we have:

I. Thou shalt worship no other god.

II. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

III. The feast of unleavened bread thou shalt keep.

IV. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.

V. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest,
and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.

VI. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord God.

VII. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.

VIII. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

IX. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid [ie, a young goat] in his mother’s milk.

Original Commandments


And we have the modern one...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Thou shalt not covet

Modern Commandments

Right away, I notice several differences. One, I see no mention in the modern list regarding appearing three times a year before the Lord. Also, I see that there is mention of unleavened bread...tell me, where do you see that in the modern commandments? Oh, and how about that mother's milk line? I see nothing in the modern list.

I see a lot of discrepancies. Perhaps you would like to shed light in the name of your truth?

reply to post by Starchild23


Nay,

Nay.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Nay,

Nay.

I believe this violates the T&Cs of ATS. Contributing posts, I think?

Yeah.

It appears that the theory put forth in the OP has been so thoroughly beaten down that he has no resorted to trying to find anything that may get him a pat on the head from someone.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
It appears that the theory put forth in the OP has been so thoroughly beaten down that he has no resorted to trying to find anything that may get him a pat on the head from someone.

I don't think so. In fact, I just answered a questioning post...of course, I don't do all the work. Earn your own truth!

On the other hand, I've been following your posts, and it appears that you never have anything to say except to agree with nonsensical posts just to make other people upset, or posting nonsense on your own just to mess with the thread.

If you think this thread is of poor quality, don't expect me to take you seriously.

reply to post by Starchild23


I responded to the OP on page 14 and you have ignored it.

reply to post by DavidWillts

"pagan" is a blanket term describing MANY religions and Wicca was not made up until the late 50s early 60s, i don't think the time traveling priests were doing much stealing.

Reinvented, more like...after your Salem witch trials. Remind me how many innocent people you burned because of your hatred, in the name of "the Lord"? Really, please convince me your god condones such acts.

The result of barbaric rationale, methinks.

Again with the "pagan" stuff, i really can't be sure who you are referring to. Druids? Egyptians? Romans? I don't really see how much worse the Christians are when compared to the rest. I mean rome killed off "pagans" left and right they just called them barbarians and druids.

Try Google. Or do you prefer to troll others into doing your research for you?

Druids? You don't say. You should really write some universities considering we know almost nothing about the druids as they have not left any written records. What little we do know about their religion included human sacrifice and things of that nature. You are probably thinking of "ancient" modern day no-paganism.

Actually, no. Ancient alchemists. Pretty sure they left behind some records. Once again, Google is a wonderful machine for those with the fingers to use it.

It is just a poor attempt at debunking Jesus, which is not hard to do. It is just than in the Christ deception it was gone about the wrong way.

You, David, have provided nothing but ignorant tosh in the way of rebuttal. I'm tempted to call you a troll and let you play your games...on mute.