Indictment against Organized Religion in the US, economic sanctions, and bans

reply to post by Seed76

It´s not the Christian religion that makes the US society stupid, it´s people like your self, who claiming to be patriots, they are supporting for the right of the US-Government to intervene and restrict civil liberties. I am sure your founding fathers would be proud of you.

LOL!!!

"I'm a fierce Patriot! First thing we should do is strike down the first amendment to the Constitution!!"

The truth is you worship volcanic effect, and the Bible's words convicts you:

www.youtube.com...

Your pagan god is a volcanic effect, and you are in denail of that simple truth, well stated in the book.


Then your silly ideas think you can make Jesus into a volcano, not to mention try to make Jesus god.

Silly Pagan nonsense.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


"Volcano god" is just your buzz-word for the week. Which website did you get it from?

All the references were cited in the Video and were from the Your Bible. This your book convicts YOU on Paganism.

And as the world wakes up to the religion non-sense, everyone will tell the world is better off without religion's nutty games to keep the people dumb.

The Indictment continues against those that offered false claims about a faked up god theme, all of which turns out to be worthless nonsense to defraud the public.

Hear the same and read the some from some of the most intelligent debates:

www.npr.org...

It is time to dump the religious hog-wash, and get back to science and reality.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

All the references were cited in the Video and were from the Your Bible. This your book convicts YOU on Paganism.

The Bible, which you just assumed true for sake of argument above, says that pillar of fire lasted for 40 years and left at daytime to re-emerge every night.

So explain that please as a volcanic manifestation.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


OP, I'm curios. What is your opinion on the mythology behind Mount Hermon, the Hebrew forbidden mountain, and is it within the critical area of the east African rift?

Intelligence Squared Citations per the Theme: "The world would be better off without religion."

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A.C. Grayling: Thank you. It seems very unkind to say that, but alas, it’s just basically true that the religious outlook on the world has its roots, its origins in the beliefs, the superstitions of illiterate goatherds who lived up to 3,000 years ago. And however much religion reinvents itself and however much it tries to make us forget its history and however much it obscures the fact that it depends upon proselytizing very small children for its survival, despite all that, we have an opportunity to think again and afresh and to recognize that in order to live with the kind of hope, with the kind of responsibility, with the kind of love for our neighbor, which is essential for a world of peace. We’ve got to do that hard work of choosing our morality, choosing our ethics, thinking about the principles of which we live, not borrowing it, not inheriting it, not having to conform to a set of doctrines about these things and a set of rituals which people very, very, very long time ago depended upon to do their thinking for them, but to think afresh, start again, and look at this world as a place where reason and human experience have to be our best, because they are in fact our only guides.

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Matthew Chapman: The world would be better off without religion because it is better off without religion. If religion made people behave better, markers of social dysfunction, drug addiction, ignorance, teen pregnancies, violent crime would be much lower in highly religious societies. In fact, the opposite is true. To quote my friend, Austin Dacey, "In post Christian Europe, entire nations have been plunked into endemic health, sky rocketing education and hopelessly low rates of violent crime." This was a disadvantage to the English. And
I'm not-- I'm American. Forgive me for using America by way of comparison. I am an American. I love America. However, 90 percent of Americans believe in God. But we have by far the largest prison population on earth. Drug addiction is widespread. Gun violence is grotesque. Our education system produces kids whose math and science skills are far lower than in secular countries while our rate of teen pregnancy is far higher. And in a country so rich and Christian, it's amazing how many people live in abject poverty. Religion is a rational, morally confusing and divisive. It still exposes young children to the ghastly concept of hell. It still denigrates women. It still fosters homophobia. And "religious" gave us 9/11. Making no reference to God, science has, among many other things, rid us of the plagues, smallpox and polio, dramatically reduced infant mortality, doubled the average length of a burdened life and is coming to understand how the brain works, including its capacity for empathy and moral decision making. All this progress, all this beautiful knowledge, all this alleviation of human suffering in 100 years. Religion has had thousands of years to prove its supernatural effectiveness. It hasn't. We think it's time to try a safer and more enlightened way. So I hope you will support our position that the world will be better off without religion.

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Originally posted by windword
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

OP, I'm curios. What is your opinion on the mythology behind Mount Hermon, the Hebrew forbidden mountain, and is it within the critical area of the east African rift?

Yes, Mt. Hermon is close enough to be connected with East African Rift's Fault effects and upthrust limestone effect.

www.enotes.com...

It is associated with what is called the Arabian Plate and the edge runs right down the middle of the Dead Sea and up the Jordan Rift valley. On the upper edge of the Arabian Plate one sees larger Mountains in Turkey.

Mt Hermon's mountanous fold range runs over to the Jordan Valley Rift and it appears well within the range of the rift's often wide effects on causing upthrusting for Mtn. formation and often volcanic issues either side of the Rifts fault lines.


eol.jsc.nasa.gov...


I'd think they'd recognize lots of the Rift Effects and that in some ways Hermon was similar to Sinai, as both were upthrust plate effects, but sans the active volcanic and hydrocarbon effects. Mtns were associated with themes for assention toward the highest knowledge.

Thus, these associations:

www.guidedbiblestudies.com...


Extra Reading on Rifts and Oil production:

www.sciencedaily.com...

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The very special thing about the Jordan Valley Rift (upper East Africa Rift Zone) effects is the Jordan River and most of Nothern Israel is loaded with Boron in the soils and waters. This is the area John the Baptist came for his Baptism and saving people. Also, it appears the area of Mt. Carmel has the same soil boron benefits.

In the current population of Israel all the areas high in boron for food and water have near zero arthritic rates, and fluoride is usually the aggrivating agent in bone ends associated with arthritic pain and joint deformities with old age.

Boron is an essential soil nutrient for grapes and grains, and when included in aboundance in the food chain has highly effective nutrient properties for health. Boron reverses the effects of exposures to fluoride emissions retention in the body from the usual fault zone effects.

The Essene were highly into healing and the vegetarian Last Supper shows there attentions to bread (grain) and wine (grapes). Both these require good soil boron to do well, and they naturally concentrate boron. In the lands of Midian and the issues of Manna, musrooms also concentrate Boron from the soils and would prove benficial against the Rift Zones problems with fluoride emissions and soil contamination issues there.

One of the things one finds is that science finds the truth from the Biblical Stories. It is often a process of sorting out allegory and mistranslations as well.

Using the sciences is essential toward understanding Moses theme for god. Science is essential toward understanding the area around Midian's Rift and volcanic effects, plus oil field association.


Where science comes in very handy is the understanding of the medicines of the times of Jesus.

One item that is essential understand is why Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus brought 75 pounds of Myrrh to the so called Tomb of Jesus. The presence of Myrrh means Jesus was alive and they were doing all the healing methods against the serious trauma. Lets look at the power of the medicine of the old world:

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www.organicfacts.net...

Health Benefits of Myrrh Essential Oil
The health benefits of Myrrh Essential Oil can be attributed to its properties like anti microbial, astringent, expectorant, anti fungal, stimulant, carminative, stomachic, anti catarrhal, diaphoretic, vulnerary, antiseptic, immune booster, circulatory, tonic, anti inflammatory and anti spasmodic.
The essential oil of Myrrh is extracted from the resin of Myrrh. Myrrh, in scientific nomenclature system, is called Commiphora Myrrha and is a native to Egypt. While the resin was in use in incenses and perfumes in ancient Egypt, the oil obtained from it was used for healings wounds in ancient Greece.

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◦Vulnerary: This property of Myrrh Essential Oil protects wounds from infections and makes them heal quicker.

◦Anti Septic: You need not be afraid of little cuts and wounds. This oil can take care of them and will not let them go septic, since it is an anti septic. It can protect you from tetanus too to some extent.

◦Immune Booster: Myrrh Oil strengthens and activates the immune system and keeps you protected from infections.

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◦Astringent: Myrrh Essential Oil is an astringent. It strengthens hold of gums on teeth, contracts skin, muscles, intestines and other internal organs. It also affirms grip of scalp on hair roots, thereby preventing hair fall. One more serious use of this property can be seen in stopping haemorrhage, when this astringency makes the blood vessels to contract and checks flow of blood.

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Obviously, if Myrrh was in use-----the person was alive and the wounds were being treated.


Anyone that misses this essential connection on the survival of Jesus becomes the blatant supporter of lies in religion and commits fraud against truth and knowledge. The become the tellers of lies about the survival of Jesus.

The Essene were healers and they posessed all the knowledge of the Egyptian Therapute.


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The Essene also appear to have known of other things like Boron, which is a special healing effect that doubles the rates of puncture wound healing. Jesus diet was one of high Boron. Boron also does a host of other benefical things that boost healing and survival:

www.arthritistrust.org...'


Boron is also in use these days for wound healing.


www.springerlink.com...

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
One of the things one finds is that science finds the truth from the Biblical Stories.

Using the sciences is essential toward understanding Moses theme for god. Science is essential toward understanding the area around Midian's Rift and volcanic effects, plus oil field association.


Where science comes in very handy is the understanding of the medicines of the times of Jesus.

One item that is essential understand is why Joseph of Aramah brought 75 pounds of Myrrh to the so called Tomb of Jesus. The presence of Myrrh means Jesus was alive and they were doing all the healing methods against the serious trauma. Lets look at the power of the medicine of the old world:

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www.organicfacts.net...

Health Benefits of Myrrh Essential Oil
The health benefits of Myrrh Essential Oil can be attributed to its properties like anti microbial, astringent, expectorant, anti fungal, stimulant, carminative, stomachic, anti catarrhal, diaphoretic, vulnerary, antiseptic, immune booster, circulatory, tonic, anti inflammatory and anti spasmodic.
The essential oil of Myrrh is extracted from the resin of Myrrh. Myrrh, in scientific nomenclature system, is called Commiphora Myrrha and is a native to Egypt. While the resin was in use in incenses and perfumes in ancient Egypt, the oil obtained from it was used for healings wounds in ancient Greece.

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◦Vulnerary: This property of Myrrh Essential Oil protects wounds from infections and makes them heal quicker.
◦Anti Septic: You need not be afraid of little cuts and wounds. This oil can take care of them and will not let them go septic, since it is an anti septic. It can protect you from tetanus too to some extent.
◦Immune Booster: Myrrh Oil strengthens and activates the immune system and keeps you protected from infections.

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◦Astringent: Myrrh Essential Oil is an astringent. It strengthens hold of gums on teeth, contracts skin, muscles, intestines and other internal organs. It also affirms grip of scalp on hair roots, thereby preventing hair fall. One more serious use of this property can be seen in stopping haemorrhage, when this astringency makes the blood vessels to contract and checks flow of blood.

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Obviously, if Myrrh was in use-----the person was alive.


Anyone that misses this essential connection on the survival of Jesus becomes the blatant supporter of lies in religion and commits fraud against truth and knowledge. The become the tellers of lies about the survival of Jesus.

The Essene were healers and they posessed all the knowledge of the Egyptian Therapute.


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The Essene also appear to have known of other things like Boron, which is a special healing effect that doubles the rates of puncture wound healing. It also does a host of other benefical things:


www.arthritistrust.org...'

Indeed! But don't leave out the aloes.

He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.

Aloe has fast and amazing healing properties. In Hawaii, the early Christians called Aloe Vera the Jesus plant, because it when you break its leaves the sap looks like blood and water.

Aloe vera contains Glucomannan, a special complex polysaccharide composed largely of the sugar mannose. It interacts with special cell-surface receptors on those cells which repair damaged tissues, called fibroblasts, stimulating them, activating their faster growth and replication. Plant hormones in Aloe, called gibberellins, also accelerate healing by stimulating cell replication. These combined actions make Aloe a uniquely potent healing Herb

YES ! Excellent on the Aloe Vera research !!!

And Thus, we find the very obvious theme that Jesus was being treated with all the healing magic of the Essene and the Therapute for whip burns and puncture wounds. And there would be not reason to do this unless Jesus survived. They could not move him for a while, and these healing agent only took days to get him good enough to be moved.


Thus, one finds the massive holes in the faked up stories of the Christians that attempt to make Jesus god because they falsely claim he died and returned to life. What they use is the old pagan stories for humans becoming god, and they well depart from the truth and into the domains of the old fables. Embellished stories is what the Christians do to make their false tales.


Now, the lies and fabrications of the Christian fake story tellers becomes all the more apparent.

And wouldn't you just know it, that another book shows up to embarass the Organized Churches faked up story tellers. It is a wonderful book that retells the above, but adds more sources for how we all know Jesus didn't die. This one is written in 2009 and still retains a high resale value, so it is in demand. And it tells the real story:

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www.amazon.com...

Citation:

Leonardo Da Vinci, a prankster and genius, is widely believed to have hidden secret messages within much of his artwork. And it is alleged he was a loyal follower of John the Baptist (called Johnnites), who believed that Jesus did not die on the cross. Johnnites, like the later Knight Templars, venerated John the Baptist rather than, Jesus Christ. Doesn't matter if you believe Da Vinci was a Johnnite or not, early Christians had varying views about Jesus and about the nature of his death and resurrection. With the discovery of The Lost Gospel of Judas Iscariot, which suggest a conspiracy of epic proportions, that Jesus may have faked his death, has re-opened the discussion of this age old idea. Are there any clues in the current Bible that speak to this great controversy? This book, much like a crime investigator, explores this idea to its shocking conclusion. Let's explore it together - with an open mind, and prepare to be stunned.

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And wouldn't ya just know it, Judas spills the beans too. Not to mention all the common sense on these medicines of the therapute being used, and even the magic element of the Last Supper--Boron.


One can read some pages out of the book that speak to the healing agents and more:

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books.google.com... sa=X&ei=orWLT9DoEY6C8QSCiZ33CQ&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=aloe%20vera%20Jesus%20tomb&f=false

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And even what appears to be the Islamic folks understand the issues of Jesus better than the marginally competent Organized Churches Christian. They don't break the rules of nature by trying to make Jesus into god.

This page makes some logical points about the story of Jesus.


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www.mysticsaint.info...

7) When the tomb was seen on the third day, the stone was found to have been removed from its mouth, which would not have been the case if there had been a supernatural resurrection.

8) Mary Magdalene, when she saw him took him for gardener (John 20:15), which is only and only because Jesus disguised himself as a gardener. Such disguise would not have been the case if Jesus had risen from the dead.

9) It was in the same body and flesh that the disciples saw Jesus and the wounds were still there deep enough for a man to thrust his hand in. He even told to the disciples in his own words (Luke 24:38-39) Then he said to them “Why are you frightened and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at my hands and my feet, its me! (there were sign of wound from crucifixion on hands and feet still then). Jesus continued, “Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones like you see I have.”

10) He still felt hunger and ate with the disciples (Luke 24: 39-43)

11) Jesus Christ undertook a journey to Galilee with two of his disciples walking side by side with him, which shows that he was flying for refuge, for if his object had been to rise to heaven he would not have undertaken a journey to Galilee. Read in Luke 24:14 that Jesus himself was walking in disguise with the disciples who even didn’t recognize him at first

12) In all post-crucifixion appearances Jesus is found concealing and hiding himself as if he feared being discovered.

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Most Probably he was given healing by the Essenes. The Essenes called themselves Therapeutae, "healers," claiming that their austere lifestyle gave them the power to cast out demons of sickness and even to restore life of the dead. Considering this, Christ raising Lazarus from the dead seems a typical Essenic miracle. And similar method was applied to him to bring him back to consciousness.

He gained back his consciousness. Took disguise as a gardener and this is when Mary Magdalene saw him, she couldn’t recognize him. And after recognition, when Mary wanted to embrace him in clear voice Jesus said, “I have not gone to Father yet”. Going to Father means journey after death. This clearly signifies that Jesus himself said that he didn’t die (offcourse church has its own interpretation).


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This book, on theme that Jesus survived and they bailed out for France, comes from a person that actually moved to the Rennes Le Chateau region to personally look for the details and learn the history of the region, not only from Jewish migrations there but also as the center for the Templar Knights.

This book goes well beyond the book by Mike Baigent with the title of "The Jesus Papers". This one also gets high reviews and explains the theme of who was over in India, and who was in France.

One learns so much more of the real story of Jesus when one seeks to learn all the sets of information, and not one set that was cherry picked to make some faked up miracles because of so much lacking information on the healing powers of the Therapute / Essenes.


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www.amazon.com...

Jesus after the Crucifixion: From Jerusalem to Rennes-le-Château [Paperback]
Graham Simmans

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This was a bombshell of a book -- it goes way beyond The da Vinci Code (book) and since I have personally investigated the Rennes-le-Chateau issue for several years, I was amazed at the accuracy of his info and also pleased that he didn't compromise the remaining secrets that need to be protected to this day. Eventually the Truth will come out, however, and this book will help prepare people to accept (via a better understanding) what has really been going on.

Related issues, truthfully handled, are Gnosticism, Cathars and the Knights Templar (who you will find are involved with that Tomb of Jesus' Family 'revealed' in March on the Discovery channel -- but you have to read the corresponding Tomb of Jesus book to see that). He even explains how the rumor got going that Jesus died in Kashmir -- but he neglects to point out that Jesus had a twin brother (see person 2nd from the left end of the table in Da Vinci's painting The Last Supper... Because he had a twin, it was necessary to pay someone to point him out -- the authorities did not want to arrest the wrong man.)

A fascinating book that is a great source for anyone wanting to research

this subject more deeply. The connection with Egypt and France is quite well documented, as well as where Jesus could have gotten his 'training', as well as the marriage with Mary Magdalene, and her ministry. It may make some people angry, but this is NOT a woo-woo book containing wild speculations! Enjoy.

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This has been a lesson in how to present the truth on the Jesus story and the fabrications that were used to attempt to promote Jesus as god. Dealing with the organized churches untruth can be done with critical thinking and the many reasoned works that present the unembellished story for what happened.

Basic Truth is that Jesus never died on the Cross, survived with Essene medicines, and moved far away from Jerusalem. Lots of folks have discovered the real story and are not afraid to call the organized churches a fraud and the makers of fairy tales to get money for dramatic productions to get money. The organized churches are pretty much a cult following taking people everyday with their Passon Story, which isn't sourced with truth. They sell the masses false claims and sell pagan nonsense.

Here is another book that gets down to the basics:

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www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

In the theory of the survival of Jesus, there are a number of clues which help support it, but there are two major clues that are the strongest.

The first is in the crucifixion itself. When a person was crucified they did not die quickly, but rather a slow painful, morbid death which would have taken two to three days, possibly even a week. Jesus supposedly died within two to three hours.



Joseph of Arimethea went to Pilot and asked to have the body of Jesus, which was contrary to Roman law anyway, and when Pilot heard that Jesus was already dead, he was so surprised to hear that Jesus had died so quickly that he sent a centurion to check.



The second oddity is that the crucifixion took place in what seemed to be a private garden and tomb owned by Joseph of Arimethea. The importance of this observation is that if there was any fraudulence associated with the crucifixion, then the public could be kept away in a private garden and Jesus could be privately taken away, revived, tendered and ministered to.

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So, if the organized churches brainwashed Christians attempt to sell you on faked up magic that Jesus is somehow god, be sure to tell them that the world have moved beyond the faked up tale to take in people and feed them more embellished nonsense on what was basically volcanic effects worship they called god. The might as well worship trees that fall down in the forests as acts of god also.