Indictment against Organized Religion in the US, economic sanctions, and bans

In the Interest of Homeland Security, it is time to severely limit religion in the US and to place economic sanctions on churches that don't teach truthful information or engage in support of places, like Israel, that interfere with US affairs of State.

Churches that send money to Israel need to be listed as Foreign Interests and have their 501C3 lifted for political activity. AIPAC also needs to be listed as Foreign Agents, as JFK intended. Organized religion, in light of established science, is teaching information that goes well against common sense and science and is inducing basically schizophrenia, or loss of reality, in the population of the US. This Chaos intention does harm to the US.

Organized Religion is against getting to the real issues and attempts to label the Masons and Deists, who wrote the Constitution of the US, as Satanists. Their promotion of lies appearance is to the destroy the US due to mass confusion of simple facts. Organized Religion seeks to discourge everyone reading and discovering the allegorical methods of the Narratives that cause the US harm in many ways.

Most of the Bible's Narratives are written in an allegorical style and never meant to be taken literally, yet these illiterate Organized Churches promote false miracles from these intentional deceptions of the truth.

Russia has had to severely limit religion and even rewrite parts of the Talmud to avoid the destructive interference of religion with Government. It is time the US considers some of the same, else watch the country fall apart.

Churches that promote hate against Gays need to immediately be shut down, closed, and lose any 501C3 rating. Harsh economic sanctions need to be placed on churches teaching issues that go against established science in the areas of evolution, origin of the Human in Africa, and many other allegorical issues that are plainly and intentionally misrepresented to the population of the US.

Churches have become a serious threat to the US National Security via promotion of disruption in America via outrageous drama being presented as facts. It has come time to realize that organized religion can work against the Government and the intelligence and unity of the American People.

This is not only happening with the current mess of Israel attempting to have the US blow up Iran, but even the issues of Pollard's release for serious damage to the US Intelligence system. Pollard belongs in the same place as Bin Laden and never repatriated, even in death, else have a Martar against the US.

Organized Religion is one in the same with the Ideals of Constantine and that is the promotion of Empire and not individual freedoms. Organized Religion is behind the drift from the Constitutional Ideals that promoted that the US Banking and Money return assets to the People and not to Federal Reserve Foreign Bankers profiting from these Talmudic concepts of usury.

Christians are inherently destructive of logic and order, and maintain an extreme level of ignorance and trumped up non-sense from organized religion's marrage to Babylon's values.

Perhaps it is time for the US to place sancions and ban certain intentionally misleading religion concepts, because it promotes what appears to be total non-sense. imho

The Christian Religion is making the US society stupid, and drolls out pure illiterate concepts not worthy of being considered intelligent. This harms the US's Unity and causes Chaotic problems that don't need to exist, but for Organized Church Greed for power and control over America.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


I believe my Bible to be the true word of G-d.I believe in
Yeshua/Jesus as the Messiah.I am waiting for His 2nd
coming.I also support the state of Israel and her G-d
given rights to the land.
What do you think should happen to me?

Whoa there OP! Have you had your medication today? J/K.

You realize the moment you replace all religion with science, it becomes exactly what you are railing against. An organized religion. And state sanctioned at that. Which, btw is unconstitutional.

I'm not a christian, and I have my own problems with organized religion in this country. But go after those who are truly behind some of the problems you speak of. The governing powers, and the leaders of those organized religiions, not the common man/woman.

This is ridiculous and more than likely the exact kind of propaganda TPTB want you to believe - exterminate the "violent" Christians to somehow improve the freedoms for the secularists. It's been their agenda for a long time, whether you believe the Lucifer they worship exists or not.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Hitler had a similar plan.

"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

-Martin Niemöller

Originally posted by Klassified
Whoa there OP! Have you had your medication today? J/K.

You realize the moment you replace all religion with science, it becomes exactly what you are railing against. An organized religion. And state sanctioned at that. Which, btw is unconstitutional.

I'm not a christian, and I have my own problems with organized religion in this country. But go after those who are truly behind some of the problems you speak of. The governing powers, and the leaders of those organized religiions, not the common man/woman.

edit on 4/10/2012 by Klassified because: grammar

If you study the origins of religions you find the issues of gods came from natural forces recognized by Humans and personified to make it easy to refer to them. Lots of the elements of religion stem from this concept of natural forces or what would be called Earth Sciences today.

Other issues of god were humans like Nimrod trying to become god, which was not about good, just power, control, and exploitation of others.

As we move into the concept of Moses' monotheism to resist the many gods of Egypt that were drawn from Babylon's themes of religion, then the same concept applies. If we look at the location of Moses Mtn of Fire near Midian in Saudi Arabia we find other Earth Science concepts such as what we call the East Africa Rift Zone today and that it is loaded with volcanic effects, and this is close to the Saudi Oil Fields and one may well expect a Mtn of Fire from such inclusions of Earth Science. That means what we would call Nature today, was the effects of god in Moses' explanations. Inclusion of that simple association would be highly important for the consideration of what Moses was doing and talking about in those times.

Also, the Red Sea Crossing site has one of the Rift Zone faults that runs directly under that area of the Crossing and Chariot wheels in evidence and it speaks to another Earth Science explained concept.

So, in areas like these two examples it is well and good to have the present day science explanations associated with the old world's words about the same effects, but told as being god by Moses. When we do these things, it became less a work of constant miracles and god, and more and the facets of Mother Nature at work in the old times. Mans working with these natural effects is the very essence of modern sciences.

The very beginnings of these old world thoughts on god are what we call sciences today. But these sciences were corrupted via human attempts to be god, or play god.

Such simple truths can never be considered unConstitutional. Nor would I think the Diest and Mason founding fathers consider that to be the case.

I'd say their insights on avoiding foreign wars based on these constant issues of corruption of religion and man's games to play god or close to god for power and control was drawn directly from observations such as these.

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

I believe my Bible to be the true word of G-d.I believe in
Yeshua/Jesus as the Messiah.I am waiting for His 2nd
coming.I also support the state of Israel and her G-d
given rights to the land..
What do you think should happen to me?

I would say the Bible was written by humans, some considered Prophets.

I would say that you are part of the problem, not the truth.

You should be recognized as such. imho

Originally posted by DarkKnight21
This is ridiculous and more than likely the exact kind of propaganda TPTB want you to believe - exterminate the "violent" Christians to somehow improve the freedoms for the secularists. It's been their agenda for a long time, whether you believe the Lucifer they worship exists or not.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Hitler had a similar plan.

I think if you look closely that Hitler and the Catholic Church were in bed with each other. A number of Catholic Churches used Hitler's spies posing as Priests, and the OSS/Mil. Intelligence caught a bunch of those. The Catholic Church was well against the Jewish elements, and this is spoken of in the book called Constantine's Sword and the whole Constaintine theme was to get the Jewish out of Rome's business. Hitler worked along the same line of thinking.

Hitler original theme was to promote national socialism or the return of power to the people. But that changed as the Bankers were highly Jewish and didn't want to give up control over the German Economics. So, there became state within the state issues of religion allied groups going against Hitler's theme of Socialism. Eventually, push came to shove and the European Jewish banker elements moved into the UK and networked to have Russia and the UK go against Hitler. This need for Hitler to get these internal elements working against Socialism's goals had Hitler's alliances kick the Jewish not only out of banking, but out of any high positions in Germany. That then got the Jewish elements in New York to declair economic war on Germany.

The economic stresses were so great against Hitler that the system turned more into corportat Fascism to get the might to take on the allies, and Hitler almost won. Yet, Hitler had Army units composed of Jewish Soldiers loyal to him, he had various industries run by Jewish operators, and it all depended upon the loyaty to Hitler's goals more than that of pure religion issues.

The issues of Hitler are a little more complicated than your missive suggests, but it is the same problem in the US due to other religion's trying to control the state and often working against the state to drag the US into wars and fabricate lies to make wars. Zionist intelligence assets fixed the US up with a number of bad sources to promote the Iraq invasion. Zionist elements were involved in the JFK assassination, and that was to promote the Zionist's gain of nuclear weapons, that is the crux of the problems in the Middle East today. These Zionist problems corrupted the entire LBJ presidency.

Truth is often not well presented on the Hitler story, which is highly involved with Europe's controllers of money being capitalistic and wanted to keep that power and hold over Europe.

Interesting thread.

What I propose are Spiritual Centers. Centers that any/all who have a belief can worship in - - no matter what their belief.

I would do away with preachers/priests/ministers - - - any Man telling people what to believe.

I think people are and should be individually responsible for their belief. Not be told what to believe.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Indictment against Organized Religion in the US, economic sanctions, and bans

Good, where do I sign the petition? We should go back to apostolic Christianity anyways without buildings.

reply to post by mamabeth

What do you think should happen to me?

We sorta have a Colosseum in every city.

He wouldn't mind.

Originally posted by Annee
Interesting thread.

What I propose are Spiritual Centers. Centers that any/all who have a belief can worship in - - no matter what their belief.

I would do away with preachers/priests/ministers - - - any Man telling people what to believe.

I think people are and should be individually responsible for their belief. Not be told what to believe.

I am not sure that just that will work too well, as one group will tell they are the more pious or something to cause division. We have to work on the divisions for that to work, as religions teach the other is corrupt. They can't even share the Temple Mount these days. Jesus was known as a great teacher and moral example, and that appears a way to proceed.

Certainly, there have been crazy religion sects and cults, like the Branch Dividians, which should not be tolerated. But just how much of the same was allowed to happen over time with the drift of the Jesus values into those for Babylons, that make Christianity more of a Babylon Cult than Jesus centered real values.

Certainly the current group of Preachers, Priests, and ministers are as corrupt that the Revelations "7-churches" theme has predicted. What is taught by these charletons is Jesus cloaked in Babylon's teachings, or the false teachings.

So, to address that, what appears to be needed is religious education and presentation of the greater truths that history presents to us today. Science shows us many issues that show the Bible Narratives screwed up. Issues like Man's origins in Africa need to be presented in place of the Adam and Eve story that would confuse little kids as they hit the University System that would have to explain the Bible Narrative is silly nonsense.

I think there needs to be always some level of truth testing as well as education in religion. I think even the founding fathers of the US appreciated education, as that set up common understanding using truth.

So, in terms of religious education it needs to be inclusive of the Essenes. Who they are, where they lived, what they believed, how they came to believe what they believed, that they were like the Pythagoreans, they were involved in Mystery School knowledge, and that Jesus was both the product of those teachings and a member of their order. Most churches leave off teaching of the Essenes, as it doesn't fit their need for control over the people.

Education would also toss out the greater issues that are known on the area of Midian and the geological features there that set up the effects that Moses used to his advantage against the Egyptians. That Moses was into Alchemical methods as he learned these from being high in the Egytian system, and he wrote with alchemical allegory methods. So, the teaching of how to understand allegory writing in the Biblical Narrative should be taught.

Education would address that in the Middle East there was not supposed to be any return of the Jewish, unless they accepted Jesus' Christianty. That acceptance would have to cover the issue that the current Christianty is corrupt and noone will vote to accept this corruption of the truth in the Holy Lands, neither Islam or Jewish. So, accepting Jesus would mean that Jesus is a Great Prophet or Messiah figure, not god. That the Essene and Jesus sought to clear up the corruption of religion from the Babylon Talmud's corruptions, and this is the same thing we are still trying to fix today.

Then, everyone can give thought to a common set of religion sites that everyone can share and see, remembering what they represented in a more complete level of understanding. Just spiritual issues are often a problem because the interpretations are wide and often depart from truthful presentations. Spiritual often gets too close to the Babylon corruptions with bad mystery school teachings for man playing god. Real religion would stay more grounded in realities and always update what was written of old against accepted science worked into the religious understanding. Centers of religions should be places of fellowship, sharing of ideals, and seeking to promote heaven on Earth via a united understanding for all peoples of the world.

It certainly should not be this dictatorial preaching, fear mongering, power and money seeking stuff that religion is today in the US. The current corrupted Christian dictatorial methods are an affront to peace and unity in the Middle East that is dragging the US down with the religious corruption.

Serious changes are due, even if it means there has to be bans against nutty religious teachings by corrupt preaching, and economic sanctions to push the truth back into churches.

One of the problems is that the US has lost its values and critical history. The US has allowed too much to be hidden in the sands of time via the goals of religions that seek to dominate countries via the application of usury, which is something Jesus appeared to also have issues over due to the Money Changer type effects.

When the Masons and Diests designed the US Constitution, their intention was to always have control for the banking and return any assets to the good of the people. The Essene Community of Jesus was arranged in much the same fashion to allow for the good of their community and not outside interests after exploitation of others.

So, this type information should be a part of religious teachings on good and evil purposes of banking, which is a Talmudic type problem that is hated by many other religions:

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Philadelphia Freedom: Birthplace of the Constitution Takes Center Stage
by Ellen Brown

"Cause I live and breathe this Philadelphia freedom
From the day that I was born I’ve waved the flag
Philadelphia freedom took me knee-high to a man
Yeah, gave me peace of mind my daddy never had.

– Elton John, Bernie Taupin, Philadelphia Freedom”

It is well known that Philadelphia was the birthplace of the U.S. Constitution and American democracy. Less well known is that it was also the birthplace of public banking in America. The Philadelphia Quakers originated a banking model involving government-issued money lent to farmers. The profits returned to the government and the people in a sustainable feedback loop that nourished and supported the local economy.

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The teaching that one religion protected the US citizen's rights to economic freedom is an important comparison. Had the US not been allowed to be taken over from within via Foreign Banking's Usury, the world might never have experience 2 World Wars and one more in the offiing.

When one religion has a very good idea, the others should regognize and support those ideas and not go off with bad ideas that support more Roman Empire thinking and the corruptions of Babylon and Rome. The latter is what has been allowed to happen due to the corruption of organized religion.


Jesus' problems with money changers in the 2nd temple link to the issue of usury associated with religion, and Jesus Essene community had a system that didn't cater to this exploitation of others. This is part of why the Essene and Jesus called the Second Temple the Synagogue of Satan and the Harlots of Babylon.

The churches don't teach others this problem, nor the history of the Essene, because the organized church is helping to take American's Freedom's by failure to teach correct religion history, how the founding fathers knew of these dangers, and those European Banking systems based in the Talmudic beliefs pulled off exploitation of the US to cause loss of Freedom for Americans.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
I am not sure that just that will work too well, as one group will tell they are the more pious or something to cause division. We have to work on the divisions for that to work, as religions teach the other is corrupt. They can't even share the Temple Mount these days.

That is the point. They would be forced to share. They might even have to talk to each other.

Jesus was known as a great teacher and moral example, and that appears a way to proceed.

There are plenty of great teachers/philosophers. There isn't any actual proof of "biblical mythical Jesus". I couldn't really say for sure who or how many composed writings attributed to "biblical mythical Jesus".

Sorry - no longer interested in your thread. Your Jesus bias is showing.

I think there is enough information to show the Essene and Jesus existed, though the present day Jesus is laden with mythical god issues from the times of Constantine's Corruption of the message.

The problems of the organized church are severe enough that economic sanctions and bans of elements of the organized church have to be used to effect the needed changes. It won't change unless great public political forces come to align against the untruths.

I think the rational approach is to not try to deny Jesus existed, as Judaism and Islam both appear to admit there was a Jesus and an Essene group that carried his same values. It is an actual part of history.

The issue then becomes stripping away the parts where the myths crept into the real history and restoring the truth to the issues so that all sides can come to an equitable understanding.

The Organized Churches feeds off of wars, so one has to take away the differences they instill in the public's minds, these false teachings, that allow these problems to develope.

Thanks for the comments and Have a good day.

PS: I think you might be the case in point for why your theme won't work, as even you quickly departed over someone saying Jesus too much. This is a difficult problem that requires lots of efforts to address.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

I star and flag you, sir, at first I thought I was reading another rant, but when I saw your Indictment against Organized Religion presented in such an intelligent manner, I knew you were on the up and up.

Churches that send money to Israel need to be listed as Foreign Interests and have their 501C3 lifted for political activity.

I am in Full agreement with this one, and also think Churches that give to political campaigns, and preach for the pulpit anything government, or policy of same, should lose their tax waiver, and have their buildings seized.

Organized Religion is against getting to the real issues and attempts to label the Masons and Deists, who wrote the Constitution of the US, as Satanists. Their promotion of lies appearance is to the destroy the US due to mass confusion of simple facts. Organized Religion seeks to discourge everyone reading and discovering the allegorical methods of the Narratives that cause the US harm in many ways.

This is so true, and often my own complaint against organized religion. They seem to teach that anything and everything not directly connected with their book, or their religious dogma, is satanic, and they say if you don't believe in their ManGod you automatically follow and do the bidding of SATAN, the Christian's main and very powerful enemy, even if you do not believe in such a character. If you say Aliens, or ET Beings, they say Demons. If you say Divine Feminine, or Goddess, they say Whore of Babylon, drunk with blood of their Saints. According to Christians, there is a Mighty Army of Demons commanded by Satan/Lucifer/Devil who is at Holy War with God, and attempting to usurp the Throne of God, and take over Heaven. They say that only one man, Jesus, can whip this Demonic Army, and also that you better let this man into your heart, and giver over your Soul, or else you are going straight to Hell. They "prove" all of this with their book, a loose collection of stories taken from many different Cultures and Time Periods, and they call, and believe this book to be the "word of God."

Churches that promote hate against Gays need to immediately be shut down, closed, and lose any 501C3 rating. Harsh economic sanctions need to be placed on churches teaching issues that go against established science in the areas of evolution, origin of the Human in Africa, and many other allegorical issues that are plainly and intentionally misrepresented to the population of the US.

Agreed. Teaching Hate because of sexual orientation is not only wrong, it goes against human nature. Homosexuality exists in the Animal Kingdom, people, some 1500 species practice it. Animals cannot make intelligent decisions on which species to have sex with, so how can it be a Sin? Besides, the word "Sin" is a name for a Babylonian Moon God anyway, it is not something one can do.

I salute you, sir. Keep up with the good work here.

reply to post by autowrench

I star and flag you, sir, at first I thought I was reading another rant, but when I saw your Indictment against Organized Religion presented in such an intelligent manner, I knew you were on the up and up.

The only up and up he's talking about is up the tailpipe of Lucifer and up the tailpipe of Manly P. Hall. He might not have gotten there yet, but soon it will. So not only is he going to teach against Christianity, but he is going to try to sell you Masonic Luciferianism.

He's trying to do a bait and switch from one religion to the other. Just be aware.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench

 

I star and flag you, sir, at first I thought I was reading another rant, but when I saw your Indictment against Organized Religion presented in such an intelligent manner, I knew you were on the up and up.

The only up and up he's talking about is up the tailpipe of Lucifer and up the tailpipe of Manly P. Hall. He might not have gotten there yet, but soon it will. So not only is he going to teach against Christianity, but he is going to try to sell you Masonic Luciferianism.

He's trying to do a bait and switch from one religion to the other. Just be aware.

The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists. Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did this Latin word find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? How? When King James the 1st had the Bible translated into current English, his scribes did not use the original Hebrew texts at all, but used many other versions, translated mostly by St. Jerome in the 4th century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition. Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness. And the Myth was born.

So "Lucifer" (from lux, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring") is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and Morning Star."
There is not one verse in the Bible that associates Satan and Lucifer as being the same.here is no verse in the Bible that associates Satan and Lucifer as being the same.

And no one has to teach me anything about Christianity and Religious Theology, I researched and studied this for a great many years, probably more years than you have been alive, friend.

reply to post by autowrench

The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists. Lucifer is a Latin name.

It's easier for people to understand, our English Bible came from the Latin one. I could post the Hebrew name from Isaiah "Hylel" (crescent moon) but that would only confuse folks, would you like me to do that instead?

You missed the point. The OP isn't against organized religion, he just wants to bait you and switch his organized religion in it's stead. Which happens to be the religion of the elite. We can call it Fallenangelism if you're so tripped up by the Latin name for him.

Try not to get all freaked out by a transliterated name, it's semantics. If you wish to do that I can flip the coin every time you say something about "Jesus", because that too is a transliterated Latin name.

Is that better?

reply to post by autowrench


Jesus is the Morning Star. "Hylel" means crescent moon. The moon doesn't produce it's own light, it reflcts the light of the Sun. that's why "Hylel" is translated "Light BEARER", it reflects the light of the Sun. His name before he was kicked out of heaven was "Hylel" because he reflected God's light, after the fall he was no longer reflecting God's light.

That's why many Bible students hate modern translations from Westcott and Hort. They were two demon worshippers who replaced the name of "Hylel" with a title reserved for Jesus Christ that He Himself uses in Revelation.

"Lucifer" is what we call him before he fell, Luciferians go by that name because they teach he never fell from heaven. "haSatan" is "accuser" in the Hebrew, it's a title, not a proper name, it means "the accuser".

Now that the basics are out of the way, lets continue.

And no one has to teach me anything about Christianity and Religious Theology, I researched and studied this for a great many years, probably more years than you have been alive, friend.

Get your money back, you failed the Hebrew massively. I just destroyed 35 years of your study with two paragraphs.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench

 

You missed the point. The OP isn't against organized religion, he just wants to bait you and switch his organized religion in it's stead. Which happens to be the religion of the elite. We can call it Fallenangelism if you're so tripped up by the Latin name for him.

You need to stop telling lies. imho You attempt to misrepresent everything you read, it appears. You the one that goes to the corrupt church that is infamous for telling huge lies to America.

I am totally against all lies promoted by organized religion and that includes your presentations and support for the lies of organized religion. I consider you a huge part of the problems of organized religion, as you present all the false fairy tales to mislead people.

The theme's title tells exactly what it means: Indictments against organized religion needing economic sanctions and bans on fabrications of truth. That would mean even shutting down the churches as a benefit for truth for America.

Organized Religion is about sucking people into the concepts for their being gods and angles around, and that America is supposed to accept some higher power and Kings. America is totally against this principle, and the Constitution tells so. America isn't going to follow any King concept from anywhere or anyone. Jesus role, when it is cleaned up to what it was supposed to be, is only as the teacher and moralist----nothing more.

Organized Religion is faked up tales adoped by Constantine to sell Empire, and the follow-on today is the NWO games to put a world leader or King in Israel and wipe out the US Constitution. The US isn't for the country being taken over by religious nonsense

There are no miracles from gods out there, there have been humans attempting to play god that we term evil, there are false writings about what happened that mislead the masses and that is also evil. There is lots of allegorical writings that corrupt preaching uses to pull the wool over dumb peoples eyes by treating thise things as literal and this too is evil. The world, due to the organized churches corrupt game, is in the hands of evil.

Then there is you, who tells he saw his leg grow an inch at a church healing session, and thinks anyone is going to consider him as anything other than delusional at that point. You can't even get the issues of lymph fluids coming from the wounds of Jesus along with blood. Such outrageous fabrications going against the simple truths is your hallmark for telling bigger and bigger false tales for a faked up religion.

You are the organized church mouthpiece and you are every bit the same enemy of truth as the organized church. imho