TPTB Preparing You To Accept The New Age Jesus, The One Who Does Away With Everything Holy

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Before or after it was fulfilled?

That is just an unsubstantiated theory.
Jesus did not go around teaching Torah.
Jesus was talking about a spiritual kingdom of God which did not include all the stuff written into the code book for Judaism. Jesus had a universal law in mind, which is the fundamental law of how humanity needs to function.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Hippy-Jesus isn't the real one.

No one here is promoting some sort of shaved Jesus, so why are you wasting your time repeatedly bringing this up?
Moses wrote, or rather the Torah has Moses giving prophecy, one which Jesus said was of himself, the one to come after him whom God will have selected from his brethren, and that the people were commanded to follow.

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


I completely agree. Gave your post a star. Most would probably label me a "New Ager," as well. I find it rather amuzing that people are still saying that the anti-Christ and his minions are going to be a bunch of "New Agers," when it's becoming obviously clear that Islam is a much better candidate.

As Jesus said, "Let those who have eyes see, and those who have ears hear." That's my sentiment exactly. Apparently we are living in a world of the blind and def.

reply to post by EfficientP


Great post EfficientP

Alright everybody....lets cut through the crap and see what the New Ager's really teach....out of the horses mouth themselves of the top 'initiates' (insiders)....The message that 'ashtar command' and the 'galactics' don't tell you....

Spangler says that 'Lucifer comes to give us the final .. Luciferic initiation .. it is the initiation into the New Age'. He also says that 'Christ is the same force as Lucifer ... Lucifer prepares man for the experience of christhood .... Lucifer works within each one of us to bring us to wholeness as we move into the New Age'. Reflections of the Christ, David Spangler, pp. 40-44.

"Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior."
The Secret Doctrine' by Helen Petrovna Blavatsky on pages 171, 225, 255, (Vol. II)

"It is Satan who is God of our planet and the only God."
pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 233, (VI)

"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time."
page 539


Creme, in his book The Reappearance of Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, says that the aspect of God that we aspire to is the Logos of our planet, who is embodied for us as Sanat Kumara, on Shamballa. He is our 'Father'....In the coming age many, many people will see God as Sanat Kumara and take the third initiation .... When you take the third initiation you see God, as Sanat Kumara, the Lord of the world, who is a real physical being in etheric matter on Shamballa'. Reimagination of the World, David Spangler/William Thompson, p. 133.

The source of the NAM teachings is Helena Blavatsky's two-volume work The Secret Doctrine. In Anthropogenesis (volume two), from pp. 506-518, she deals with the question of the identity of this Lucifer to which the NAM teachers refer. Is this entity what Christians call Satan? She says that 'the "Old Dragon" or "Satan" ... is that Angel who was proud enough to believe himself God; brave enough to buy his independence at the price of eternal suffering and torture; beautiful enough to have adored himself in full divine light; strong enough to reign in darkness amidst agony, and to have built himself a throne on his inextinguishable pyre.' Here she was quoting a famous cabbalist called Eliphas Levi, and she says that the definition is correct.

Later she shows that Lucifer is that Light that these initiates are seeking: 'the great magic agent ... astral light ... is that which the Church calls Lucifer.' She acknowledges that the Latin scholastics called this entity Satan. Anthropogenesis, Helena Blavatsky, p.511

Quoting Levi again she refers to Lucifer as 'the Astral Light ... which serves to create and destroy.... This Light therefore, inasmuch as it is devouring, revengeful, and fatal would thus really be hell-fire, the serpent of the legend; the tormented errors of which it is full, the tears and gnashing of teeth of the abortive beings it devours, the phantom of life that escapes them, and seems to mock and insult their agony, all this would be the devil or Satan indeed' (ibid.).

So lets get this straight.....'Satan is the god of our planet and the only god' (can't give him a capital 'G' is isn't worthy!)....but 'when you take the third initiation you see God, as Sanat Kumara, the lord of the world'....that your 'Light' is Lucifer who is 'Satan at one and the same time'. Seems pretty plain to me

"Lucifer, the Light-Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogmas p.321

When the occult calls light darkness (eg. Christianity) and darkness (following the teachings of Satan) light then you know you are gonna getting severely stuffed up in the head. Well they don't call him the father of lies and the great deceiver for nothing...happy to tell people whatever they want to hear, 'peace', love', 'you are divine' yadda yadda ascension (translation) folks only happens through Jesus....OH NO he is not being politically correct (AHHH...he is one of those Dark Ones...I must block him out!!!)

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


You DO realize that there is no holy book in New Age, right? There are so many different New Agers with different beliefs.

There are some who believe in yin-yang, some who don't...
Some who believe in one God, some who believe in many...
Some who believe in Aura cleaning, some who don't...
Some who believe in vegetarian, some who don't...
Some who believe in Jesus, some who believe in Lucifer...

You can not judge the entire New Age by what some believe because the beliefs are way too different.

There are some that don't even believe that world peace can exist (duality) so forget the whole "One World Religion" thing...

The New Agers aren't even in unity...

Some believe in Asther Command and Galactic Federation and some think it is evil...

The list goes on and on and on...

But what makes it good is that each are individuals (well the ones not following some self-proclaimed guru)...

reply to post by arpgme


Yes I understand that there are many different paths in the New Age. It annoys me though when I see them deliberately misrepresenting and covering up truth. For instance, people might follow Jesus but if I was to give them straight teaching from Jesus out of the Bible they would not know what planet I was on. Then you got sites talking about how Jesus Returning with the site covered with masonic symbols (Lucifer the god of Masonry), numerology, astrology and channeled messages. Well if they knew Jesus and what he said about numerology, astrology and channeling that they were all not from Him and that they would only be getting caught up in Satan's deceptions who would be the one really giving the messages. It is really sad to think they are following Jesus when they are really on the opposite side of the fence. Same with channeled messages from Arch Angel Michael who is just the name given to Jesus in Heaven before he incarnated into human form as a man on earth. It is sad people following these messages thinking that they are taping into something good associated with Jesus and Heaven when Satan is leading them to their destruction.

Arch Angel Michael and Jesus are the same being information

The problem is that in the New Age even when you believe in someone good who does have a genuine path to eternal life and translation into a new and improved body, that of Jesus or Michael (who is Jesus as well) all you get is Lucifer and people don't realize it that he just impersonates both of them...they are being unwittingly deceived and it is not fair. If people really want to follow Lucifer they should not cover it up with colorful names like Lord Sananda, Metatron, Sanat Kumara (word scramble the first name and you will know who it is)

Anyone following Michael especially is sure to be deceived because first and foremost, Jesus would not retake on that name now...so it is definitely not him.

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


Sanat (or Sat) is ancient Sanskrit for "Eternal". By the way, is word scrambling from Jesus? You aren't ok with numerology but with word scrambling, you are?

Some New Age folks, believe in The Bible and some do not, you have NO authority on how people should be interpreting The Bible, as long as they are reading The Bible and not putting anything in it or subtracting anything, their interpretation is no better or worse than yours...

reply to post by arpgme


word UN-scrabbling, being able to decipher deception is in the bible...it is called being wise like a serpent, knowing the tactics of the deceiver so you will not be deceived.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

The Biblical/Jesus' Stance on channeling

Deuteronomy 18:9-12
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

God does not want us to be thinking our lives are set in the stars and they are predestined because they are not so any knowledge you receive from these methods is really going to be for the bringing about of decieption upon you

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic

God does not want us to be thinking our lives are set in the stars and they are predestined because they are not so any knowledge you receive from these methods is really going to be for the bringing about of decieption upon you

Well maybe and maybe not

Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:"

Job 38:31-33 "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth(the Zodiac) in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Matthew 2:1-2 "...there came wise men(astrologers/magicians)from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him."

Luke 21:25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


I still don't see where the bible approves of word unscrambling...

Word unscrambling, numerology, and astrology are against the bible right? They are "medium" practices, So why would you be practicing word unscrambling?

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

 

I still don't see where the bible approves of word unscrambling...

Word unscrambling, numerology, and astrology are against the bible right? They are "medium" practices, So why would you be practicing word unscrambling?

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

Proverbs 25:2

reply to post by NOTurTypical


U2U

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

U2U

Do you mean email? I only have the u2u from the 3rd in my inbox.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Ah. I just saw your reply to my U2U that was stating a scientist discovered the soul. Thank you for replying.
Interresting, isn't it? The doctor had a machine to see the soul also.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Ok, this is a general statement and saying nothing about the "unscrambling" of words..

This can be applied to astrology as well, ESPECIALLY since "God" said he put signs in the stars or heavens... (Don't remember the exact quote)

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Ah. I just saw your reply to my U2U that was stating a scientist discovered the soul. Thank you for replying.
Interresting, isn't it? The doctor had a machine to see the soul also.

Yeah, and he was an Atheist beforehand. Also look at the work of Dr. Ivan Panin who discovered the heptadic structure under the text. He was a Harvard mathematician who discovered it and became a Christian because of it, then devoted the rest of his life discovering more of that heptadic structure. You'll find SCORES of people who try and debunk his work, but honestly, how many Atheists invent something they themselves created just to believe in God and to trust in Jesus?

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Ok, this is a general statement and saying nothing about the "unscrambling" of words..

This can be applied to astrology as well, ESPECIALLY since "God" said he put signs in the stars or heavens... (Don't remember the exact quote)

Explain what you're asking, or referring to plz. Sorry, your post was really random.

reply to post by racasan


OK so New Ager's seem to think they know enough Biblical passages to see them through and justify their beliefs. I have a test for you that is open to anyone on this thread to answer. I am going to show you a dream given to someone in my Church from God. The dream shows a great last days world wide deception event that is often alluded to in many parts of the New Testament and in Revelation. The event is the coming of a great being of light surrounded by cohorts of angels. The being performs miracles signs and convinces most of the whole world that he is 'The Christ'. In essence what we find out is that it is actually a counterfeit of Jesus' second coming. The test for you is to read the dream and list the major things that transpire that show you that you know it is a counterfeit.

Here is a sample of a couple of random paragraphs of the dream called, 'The Great Test ....can begin to read from a third of the way down the page from the paragraph that begins with, 'As I look toward the East'

As I look toward the east, I see many who stand looking with anticipation into a clear blue sky that has no clouds. They seem to already know about this coming event. As I look into the distant sky, I notice what looks like a round black hole that opens out more and more, similar to a trumpet shape. Many different angels of various sizes and appearances now fly from the middle of the black hole and fill in to the area that resembles the end of a trumpet. They have formed together as if to welcome someone very important. I now see that the middle of this large company of angels fills with a great brightness. As many angels blow trumpets and many others sing, those on the earth who are watching stare at the grandest event they have ever witnessed.
...
...
This noble being, who calls himself “the Christ,” stands so tall that he is easily seen. His well-tanned face is long, yet wide. His hair is white and brushed back. He is proportionately built and wears a long purple robe that almost touches the ground.
... ...
As he now raises both hands into the air, elongated scars can be seen in each palm. He proceeds to proclaim, “It is I, the Christ. I have returned as I said I would.” As he speaks, people of different languages understand him perfectly.

Now I say this test with all seriousness because we have sites like that the 2012 countdown - Jesua Returns site telling people that Jesus is going to comeback at this particular time ect ect So people are being prepared for some kind of event like this to happen right!

I tell you why I put forward this dream as well. I put it forward because it gives a very similar description of events that another person in my church wrote about over 100 years ago from visions she received from God as well, over 2000 visions throughout her life in fact. Well I know what you're thinking, the dreams and visions could have come from anywhere, how does that prove accuracy right? Well I will also tell you a few more details about the person who received the visions/dreams over 100 years ago, she went on to become the most prolific and widely translated writer in American history despite her formal education going not much further than primary school level. In visions she was given about health reform practices she outlined dietary practices during a time when all kinds of theories of health were floating around with no proper establishment of what worked and what did not. She just happened to pick up every single beneficial health practice there was and many that were not considered until even many years later. The proof of the truth of the health reform visions is in the results, Adventist live 6 to 9.5 years longer than the general population depending on your gender, the group with the longest life expectancy in the western world! Not only that, she was a major influence in forming the teachings of our church based on scriptural understanding and analysis. This is a comment that the Catholic Church made about them...

...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists... — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

Please have a look at the dream 'The Great Test' and see what you come up with

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic

Please have a look at the dream 'The Great Test' and see what you come up with

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tl;dr


anyway moving on

the question is: astrology is it supported by the bible – and the answer is a very clear yes

now if you have anything to add to that - then please do

reply to post by JesuitGarlic

I am going to show you a dream given to someone in my Church from God.

I don't think it's right because Ellen White said that Satan will not be allowed to duplicate Christ's Second Coming.
A lot of people in the SDA church believe Satan will be on earth pretending to be Jesus, but will not come as described in this dream you are quoting.
Only Jesus will be allowed to come in that manner.
Not that I am subscribing to the idea that Jesus will "return" in this lifetime, but I am saying this person you are linking to does not follow the Adventist belief, if you take that belief to be in harmony with the writings of E. G. White.