TPTB Preparing You To Accept The New Age Jesus, The One Who Does Away With Everything Holy

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Jesus said He came to fulfill. He stood up and asked if anyone could accuse Him of sin. What do you think He was referring to when He asked that? It wasn't Roman law.

The prophecy by Moses that one will come after him through whom The Lord will speak, by Him putting those words in his mouth.

If Jesus had long, wavy shampooed and conditioned hair and a clean-shaven face every hand would have immediately raised when Jesus asked that question.

Hippy-Jesus isn't the real one.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon

 

THAT... is not what i asked... is it now

Okay, no, He never violated the Law, He fulfilled it. Every yot and tittle.

He violated the Talmuds every chance He got to.

Would you consider teaching people to violate the torah... a violation?

Before or after it was fulfilled?

Be specific, Christ's words literally hung on a tittle when He said "why did David call Him my Lord."

reply to post by NOTurTypical


You say he fulfilled everything when he died... so obviously before...

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You say he fulfilled everything when he died... so obviously before...

No, He never taught people to violate the Law, it wasn't fulfilled yet. It was still the operating covenant.

And technically He entered into the new covenant the night before He died.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You say he fulfilled everything when he died... so obviously before...

No, He never taught people to violate the Law, it wasn't fulfilled yet. It was still the operating covenant.

And technically He entered into the new covenant the night before He died.

Now we're talking about the Torah....

Meaning stick to whatever the 5 books say... correct?

reply to post by Akragon


No, the 613 laws of the first covenant.

LAWS. The Law. He never violated it, I have no idea what you're talking about. He fulfilled the Law.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon

 

No, the 613 laws of the first covenant.

LAWS. The Law. He never violated it, I have no idea what you're talking about. He fulfilled the Law.

edit on 13-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

Feel free to read them...

www.jewfaq.org...

Shall we pick through them to see what he violated and what he did not?

Shall we see what he taught others as compared to what those laws state?

reply to post by Akragon


Really? You want to put the LORD up on the witness stand?

This is an absurd rabbit trial from one thing:

Did He have long flowing hair and a shaved face?

No, He wasn't some glorified Jewish hippy. He could not under the law have long hair and a shaved face.

If you want to do this, go ahead, better make a new thread and give me the link. 613 is a BIG number

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon

 

No, the 613 laws of the first covenant.

LAWS. The Law. He never violated it, I have no idea what you're talking about. He fulfilled the Law.

edit on 13-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

I think what people do not understand by the word fulfill when it comes to the law is that he became the law, and he said "I am the truth, the life and the way" and "if you love me you will keep my commandments", so in essence he became the law, our laws.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Should i fear him because he corrected mans laws?


I think not...

I have my own thread for this issue already.... and since its gone way off topic already... we can continue this there...

Also considering that thread was you and i going back and forth already... it seems appropriate

see ya there...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by NOTurTypical


By the way his his not his trial... Jesus will be the judge...

Though his words i will judge the bible... or at least make an attempt...

reply to post by EfficientP


In regards to the original OP and theme of this thread - I disagree.

New age is relevant only to it's time and all ages had thinkers and philosophers. The current trends and movements in society will always change. The terms in which we explain our ideas today will have changed in another thousand years. What will have been new age today, will become religions and basis of new beliefs far into humanities future.

All the centuries since the advent of the monotheistic religions, every single one of them - thought they were living in the end days of revelations. It would seem that even today there it is. Self-fulling prophecy. Brilliant. How long are Christians and Catholics really going to ride that horse? And they accuse Pagans and New Age beliefs to be fantasy role-play. Sheesh.

I would be considered a "new-ager" I suppose, at least in a fundamental Christian's point of view anyhow. As far as the concepts and ideas surrounding this idea of spiritual ascension having to do with galactic planes and Mayan calenders and planetary alignments - these things have nothing to do with Christianity. They are theories and ideas - concepts in understanding ourselves and our connections to not only the planetary influences of energy, but also the universal.

As to the the past life regression and psychic Dolores Cannon (sp?) and her work, I'm not a fan of hypnotic regression. However, I certainly wouldn't presume to suppose to know whether souls do or do not reincarnate. However, I tend to think that it's much more inter-connected than that. I think that it is very possible that psychic ability exists and that when accessing abilities we don't know much about - well then all bets are off. It's completely conceivable that these people were remote viewing past events. Whether or not they actually lived that life is irrelevant to the spiritual message meant personally for that person! Shame on anyone for devaluing any of these people's spiritual experiences!

These concepts are really rather old ideologies wrapped in today's lingo. It will remains thus, so long as we can communicate our dreams and have the medium in which to put voice to them. Far into the future, after the monotheistic ideologies and even the erroneous concepts of Deities eventually fall away - we will always strive in favor of trying to put a definition to all our questions. Whatever that truth might be.

reply to post by Akragon

Should i fear him because he corrected mans laws?

He never even acknowledged the ones they made up. Read Mark 7. He called them the "tradition of the elders", which is the Babylonian Talmuds. The Scribes and Pharisees used those in effect replacing the laws given to Moses making God's Word of "none effect".

5Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

They were adding to God's commands from the Law, and using the traditions of the elders (Talmuds) as if they were God's Law to Moses. And like the example of a man not helping his poor parents by claiming his money was reserved for God, he used 1 commandment to violate another commandment.

Making God's Word "of none effect". Meaning the money that was meant for God, was meant for the poor to begin with!!!! lol

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

By the way his his not his trial... Jesus will be the judge...

Though his words i will judge the bible... or at least make an attempt...

That's cool, brush up on the part I linked either here or the other thread about Hermeneutics. You'll be much further along than 99% of the people who try to interpret it. Virtually all they alleged "contradictions" will disappear when you learn Biblical Hermeneutics.

But go ahead, people have been trying for centuries. Usually after years of doing so they come away believers so I whole-heartedly encourage your endeavors.

But if you refuse to learn Biblical Hermeneutics and Hebraisms you'll be just as lost with it than virtually everyone else who tries without the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Should i fear him because he corrected mans laws?


I think not...

I have my own thread for this issue already.... and since its gone way off topic already... we can continue this there...

Also considering that thread was you and i going back and forth already... it seems appropriate

see ya there...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yeah, I posted there on pg 7 I think. But I can't go back to that page for some reason, when I click page 7 it won't load. Does it load for you?

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

Whether or not they actually lived that life is irrelevant to the spiritual message meant personally for that person! Shame on anyone for devaluing any of these people's spiritual experiences!

In order to get the full experience you "become" that past person during an eventful experience, even to knowing the back-story, from that person's perspective. Some people's life experience is not lost to the cosmos. The cosmos itself may be learning.

reply to post by Akragon


Okay, p. 7 is working for me now, nvmd.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

I think what people do not understand by the word fulfill when it comes to the law is that he became the law, and he said "I am the truth, the life and the way" and "if you love me you will keep my commandments", so in essence he became the law, our laws.

One technique used by proponents of "Messianic Judaism" to demote Jesus and make him somehow "acceptable" is to say he was the Living Torah, when in fact the best sort of slogan to attach to Jesus is: Jesus is the Name of God.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

He never violated it, I have no idea what you're talking about. He fulfilled the Law.

The word means to complete.
Jesus completed the Law by stressing the underlying spiritual principles and how the letter is basically irrelevant.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

No, He never taught people to violate the Law, it wasn't fulfilled yet. It was still the operating covenant.

That's only a theory.

And technically He entered into the new covenant the night before He died.

That was when he mentioned a covenant that had as its purpose the forgiveness of sins. The other, and now old, covenant was for possessing the land.
His mention of it is not the same as it coming into effect.
There is nothing to indicate that sins were forgiven in any other way than with the covenant he was referring to.