Mayans Elders talks about the Shift of Ages, Age of Enlightment, Countdown to the 2012 Transition ..

Time couldnt be more critical then now .. Time to Listen

I have written Don speech from the video in 3 part
He certainly have a lot of wisdom to share
with a warning that 2012 will bring us big changes
and a Age of Enlightment for everyone

It is very important to start opening your heart and soul to the world
and everyone surrounding you with positive energies

Stop thinking about what you dont have compare to your neighboor
and start thinking about what so many people dont have compare to you

It always start with you
when you become aware or the real life



(Part 1)

What i see in the World today
as a mayan, and like any other indigenous person in the world ..
I see our planet covered in a veil of sadness

This is why we are interested in doing this documentary
so that through you, who are carrying our message..
our concerns can reach the entire world
Because today .. the world is divided
Some people say that they dont care because they are going to heaven
while others are interested in exploiting nature and converting it into money
none of this mathers to the military
all they care about is conquering the world
they never think about who is dying
they never think about who they are killing
What they are interested in is their own grandeur
to wage war, to kill people

I want to say something, my brothers
that does not concern us so much .. everything has its time
All of that will fall to the ground soon enough
those who are now, tomorrow will not be
Those who are happy today, will weep tomorrow
and those who weep now will find solution tomorrow

Our main interest is .. to stop pollution and contamination
so that there can be life for all beings on earth

He couldnt be more right on this

He explain that this greedy world we live in today
will no more exist tomorrow
The end of the world has we know it ...is approaching

( Part 2 )

Dear friends .. all things are written
in the prophecies of the eternal Mayas
the prophecy of the Mayas and of the Hopis is the SAME
those of the center .. listen, my brothers .. listen to me
those of the center will unite the Eagle of the North
with the condor of the south
We will reunite our brothers .. because we are one
like the fingers of the hand .. we are one . brothers
rich and poor .. black and white .. indigenous and non-indigenous
we are one on the face of the earth

The Age of Light... meaning
Everyone is egual and Everyone will be united soon

(Part 3)

How would i describe the Mayans ?
i am not a stranger to the Mayans, I am Maya
i cannot live without my tortilla in my plate
i cannot live without my tamales
I cannot live without my sacred corn
Because, this is my body .. my blood

Like many of you already know
My western name is DOn Alexjandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj
but my Maya name is "Wakatel Utiw" Wandering Wolf
My destiny is to be here with you
How unusual it is .. that this servant of yours
those who are seeing me now .. those who will see me on the screen
I never had a single day in school .. Life took me
and dragged me through different parts of the world
Walking, only where i recognized love ..
through neglect..exhaustion ...hunger .. thirst .. loneliness
I have experienced all this in my life

My dear people ,, if you can hear
or see me on the screen of this film .. lets do it
Lets carry this voice to the world
Lets not destroy mother earth
Lets enjoy eher beauty .. lets enjoy her wonder
How beautiful she is when the winder comes
or when she is covered in roses , covered with flowers .. so green .. always green

Meaning .. he is a human just like everyone else
and he had a hard life .. learned life the hard way
but knew how to recognize love and goodness in people
this positive power coming from good energy is a universal power
and it is the most powerfull energy of the universe

It is with this energy that we can realise how life and earth is beautiful
and need to be respected at all cost for everyone sake

People who thinks 2012 will bring the end of the world
are the same negative people fearing for THEIR lifes
not caring about anything else

They will realise their mistake
that the key to life was Love, Happyness, Goodness and Prosperity
and not hatred, wars, corruption, deception, sadness, violence, greedness etc

The Creator gave to everyone the chance to choose with your own freewill
what side will you support .. Good or Bad
Most have choosen their side at a very young age ..once you become aware of it
your eyes and thoughs become more clear

Do you have a message to humanity
Don: To all my brothers and sisters who listen to this message
These words are not mine but words or our ancestors

In the prophecy of the Maya says:
In the time of the 12 baktun and 12 ahau
is the return of our ancestors and men of wisdom
let the morning come and the dawn comes
for the people to find peace and be happy

So imleaving this message : dont be afraid
take this message and spread it to the world

The Mayans are the ones i really trust for what will happen on the 21 december of 2012
when the 13 baktun ends (the long calender of 5125 yrs cycle)

Their prophetic message about 2012 connects with me
more then any others messages ..
even when i was to young to know what was happening ..
i had this gut feeling deep inside me
from the moment i was able to think and reasonate
at this age .. i never heard of the Mayans before
this is why i was feeling so different from others in school
still feeling the difference today ..but it is less painfull because i know
im not alone to know the truth about what will bring 2012
the long over dur transition to a better world
and i know this from the bottom of my heart with absolutly no doubts



I cannot stress enought about spreading their message of peace and hope to everyone
before its to late

I know what will happen to the good people that tried to do their best during their lifetime
they will get a second chance on the new earth
not repeating the same mistake of the old age .. the darkest age of all time before 2012
What will happen to the bad people .. is unknow to me
will they all change and wake up .. and everything they have do bad will be forgotten in an instant ?
what will happen to all the people who unfairly died

So many question remaining .. very hard to know exactly what will happen to everyone
even with the Mayans messages

9 months to go .. feeling quite impatient about it and excited that it is finally here
thousand and thousand of yrs of waiting for this big day (earth's birthday in a way)
because it need to arrive ASAP .. enought loosing time in a society where nothing matters
cant wait for the new and better world to begin
hope it will not take us time repairing all the damage that was done
and restore earth to its fully health

It will be real life and everyone will feel has important and egual to everyone else on earth

Where everyone is happy and selfsufficiant
respecting mother earth at the same time
My kind of world
What Life Would Be Like RIGHT NOW If We Werent Controlled Like ZOMBIES ? A True Heaven

s & f

the dark rift is close!

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Thanks for the Vid
will watch it now during my lunch

I like reading about all the changes 2012 will bring us
the things i dont like .. reading about people panicking that it is the end of the world soon

So far from the track .. it is sad being so sad and having no hope in humanity
it is completely the opposite .. 2012 will bring hope and good changes

reply to post by Ben81


He does have some very positive things to say and for that, I take some time to hear what he has to say.

I also find him to be very pragmatic on the 2012 "phenomenon" ... which is refreshing

He has said this:

What I hear, over and over from everywhere, is about the year 2012. There are messengers that come and speak from their heart, like me, and we don't intimidate people. There are other messengers that speak, but there is the money issue behind (them). It is like many people that used to read and read, so then they write lots of books about this because they know it is a big business. And then they are all are talking from the point of view of what the books say and many times they are putting fear into people. But for us, the Mayans, it is only a change of the Sun . . . a change of a cycle of the Sun. it is not the first time this is going to happen nor will it be the last.

And this:

There are 13 Katuns and we are living at the end of the last one. So this is the time when we don't know exactly if it is going to be 2012 or if it is going to be later on. Because 2012 is a Gregorian date, sometimes it does not coincide with the Mayan calendar.

There are many reasons why we don't know exactly the timing. It has to do because when the invasion came, a little over 500 years ago, the men and women of wisdom were the first ones to be assassinated. Then Bishop Diego de Landa, during the invasion, gathered all the books where all the information was and they set them on fire. So they burned all the information. On the other hand, the calendar that was at that time in effect, they have gone through so many modifications. Like in this Mayan council, they left out days, they didn't count just to catch up with time. Then with the Gregorian Calendar, all the months are so irregular in length, like the months of 28 days, 30 days, 29 days, 31 days. So this is why it doesn't (align).

Source

Great post, Cant wait for it all to snowball aswell.

Hope you ignore all the trolling your about to recieve

Originally posted by hoonsince89
Great post, Cant wait for it all to snowball aswell.

Hope you ignore all the trolling your about to recieve

The trolls have been quite shy lately to debate the 2012
especially when there is no fearmongering scenario
people only think about the worst case scenarios all the time
but its the opposite . it is the best case scenario for everyone pointing ahead
a great change to earth and humans is coming

I wouldnt be impatient about it .. if something bad was coming
it would scare my instinct like all earth animals when they sense a disaster coming

Me for 2012 .. im waiting with excitement for it

Don Alejandro is not a credible source. He didn't start talking about 2012 until he received a visit from Ian Lungold in the late 90s. Lungold brought with him a copy of John Major Jenkins' Maya Cosmogenesis 2012. After this visit Don Alejandro began speaking of 2012 and what he was saying copied what Jenkins said in his book almost word for word.

The truth is that the modern Maya are no more experts about the ancient beliefs than the average layman. The Long Count was out of use before even the arrival of the Spanish and their beliefs completely changed with the arrival of the Spanish. These would be the beliefs taught to the modern Maya.

2012 is the 'singularity year' when novelty really begins to snowball to even deeper possibility and limit pushing frontiers for human consciousness. The internet has allowed people to be connected like never before, to do things that has not been seen before, such as a symbiotic information integrating relationship would conjure in smaller communities. 2012 is the beginning of a technological neo-shamanic age of information and expression with a return to retro, archaic and dreamlike states of being on a global scale.

The future is almost upon us, are you willing, are you prepared?

So we switch from Don A. to Terrence M.
Mckenna and his ideas have not panned out because it is simply numerology decorated with I Ching and claims of fractals and shoehorning.

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by hoonsince89
Great post, Cant wait for it all to snowball aswell.

Hope you ignore all the trolling your about to recieve

The trolls have been quite shy lately to debate the 2012
especially when there is no fearmongering scenario
people only think about the worst case scenarios all the time
but its the opposite . it is the best case scenario for everyone pointing ahead
a great change to earth and humans is coming

I wouldnt be impatient about it .. if something bad was coming
it would scare my instinct like all earth animals when they sense a disaster coming

Me for 2012 .. im waiting with excitement for it

I think those that see 2012 as just another year that will come and go are quite because the year now is their proof. Why debate this anymore when they can just sit back and wait for nothing to happen, and then eat their popcorn reading all the post 2012 posts...

Another reason they are quite is because the 2012 crowd is quite as they, once again, start to see this year as another year. They have started to realize that the events needed to already be in motion are not, such as planet Nibiru, poles swapping etc.. I do see the meta-physical crowd is hanging on since there will be no real physical change' and so they can just say "It happened and you missed it because your mind is not ready" or some other non-measurable result.

So in this thread does anyone have any measurable results we are suppose to see in 2012 for it seems all the physical prophecies are jumping off the sinking ship.

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There is no mention of the I-Ching or Timewave Zero in those clips, more of a sage like perspective on the bigger picture at hand and musings of alternate realities, convergence of mind toward the dawn of a new era. Refreshing to say the least.

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I have a long standing tradition of not watching videos. Simply take my response as a quick overview of why McKenna and TWZ are a failure. TWZ is not based on reality.

The Mayan's living today aren't the same Mayan's that built the calendar..

The Mayan long count calendar has ended before, this is not the first time in 2012 that it's happened.. and guess what? we're still here.. it merely marks the reset of a cycle.

Yes this man is an elder and he no doubt cares about what is going on in the world.. but I don't think he possesses information we don't .. Isn't it these same Mayan elders who recently brought the "crystal skulls" together for a tour? .. even though there's plenty of evidence that the skulls have no tie to Mayan history in any way, shape or form?

I think 2012 is going to pass as a normal year.. and then we can all go back to the next big thing, like a new comet or something else that's going to destroy us... there's just no evidence for anything other than another reset of the Mayan calendar, and perhaps a big box office year in hollywood.

Originally posted by miniatus
The Mayan's living today aren't the same Mayan's that built the calendar..

The Mayan long count calendar has ended before, this is not the first time in 2012 that it's happened.. and guess what? we're still here.. it merely marks the reset of a cycle.

Yes this man is an elder and he no doubt cares about what is going on in the world.. but I don't think he possesses information we don't .. Isn't it these same Mayan elders who recently brought the "crystal skulls" together for a tour? .. even though there's plenty of evidence that the skulls have no tie to Mayan history in any way, shape or form?

I think 2012 is going to pass as a normal year.. and then we can all go back to the next big thing, like a new comet or something else that's going to destroy us... there's just no evidence for anything other than another reset of the Mayan calendar, and perhaps a big box office year in hollywood.

edit on 4/9/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)

Yes not the same mayans that thousand of yrs ago made the calendar
they dont have the same knowledge anymore to calculate planet alignement patern
only external help would have help them to build such extreme invention
to be carved on the rocks .. so everyone one day can prepare for Mother Earth birthday
This reference in time that at that date .. when the fifth cycle 13 baktun end
some celestial event will happen in space at that precise moment
once we are getting closer .. to this galactic space bridge energy flow connection
it will cause some turbulations on the earth magnetic shield
making all kind of weird natural phenomenon and earthquakes
but i dont think a pole shift will happen

In conclusion, while it is uncertain that 2012 AD will mark the reset of the long count cycle, it is most certainly the beginning of the 13th bak'tun. The ancient Maya would have considered it a time of great change. If every bak'tun was a time of great change, then the 13th turn must have held special significance, perhaps the beginning of a new era in world history. Time will tell.

Link

Period of great changes
the vides doesnt sound negatives at all

reply to post by Ben81


The Maya held no such beliefs. This belief is stems from mistaking the Aztec Fifth Sun prophecy for the Popol Vuh and then trying to attach it to the Long Count. The thing is that neither the Aztec nor the Maya at the time the Popol Vuh was written used the Long Count. The truth is that the Maya never believed that there would be a creation after us and even if there were it wouldn't be based on a cycle. It would be based on the gods being displeased with the current creation.

reply to post by Ben81


The Mayan lon count is not about planets. It is not about years. It is about counting days.

I think you are mixing Aztec and Mayan beliefs together. This is typical of many New Age authors.

There has never been a global flood. The geological record is clear on that.

I will not say definitely that there is change coming to the entire world and all of mankind in 2012...

I will only say I hope there is. Otherwise, we will all die.

Originally posted by stereologist
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The Mayan lon count is not about planets. It is not about years. It is about counting days.

I think you are mixing Aztec and Mayan beliefs together. This is typical of many New Age authors.

There has never been a global flood. The geological record is clear on that.

You mean, God never flooded the earth?

This is absolutely certain?

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You mean, God never flooded the earth?

This is absolutely certain?

There is zero evidence for a worldwide flood. That has been known since at least the time of DaVinci who gave eloquent reasons that no such flood existed.

reply to post by Starchild23


They, The "ancients" have been here, all the time. :-) They are patient, they will appear.