US Police Can Copy Your iPhone's Contents In Under Two Minutes

If you think it's scary what the US Government can do with their phone system, you should check out what the BRITISH Gov't is capable of.

You really wouldn't sleep at night.

reply to post by AwakeinNM


Tell them that you have nothing to hide and nothing to show!

...or better yet do as I would do and call your attorney and put him/her on speaker phone.

reply to post by Swizzy


Why yes... I did read it. I also read the tech sheets and white papers on the systems being developed about the time the story says they started using these. Why? Well as a trucker back then, I was crossing borders often enough and in contact with local, state and federal enforcement agents of one flavor or another a few times a week on average. So...Indeed...It's one of those little things that was and is a personal issue for personal reasons. I expected to see this done on my own Laptop at the Canada crossing or a California road side stop with my Blackberry.

My point....for what the fact there are so many models has to do with anything....is why encryption isn't in place for the DATA stored on most phones. I don't know about all 3,000 of them...but The Blackberry I had used micro-SD to store things separate from the phone's internal functions and operating system. Not All do, but enough do.

In that sense...I see nothing whatever stopping a person from developing 256 bit encryption to cover that removable memory chip....and perhaps something to address the internals like my HTC now and others down the road.


What the number of models in play here has to do with the basic concept of encryption of data is kinda lost on me? It's not like it's even a new concept. Does anyone believe that Blackberry Obama carries would be of any use to ANYONE if it were stolen? If the means for security of a mobile device didn't exist before 2008..it absolutely does now and out President forced it to happen so he could carry one over the extreme objections of the Secret Service at the time.

So..Lets have our encryption and the cops can copy ALL they want.......and stare at the same password/key prompt in their office as they would have on my own screen at the roadside traffic stop, truck DOT inspection or civilian border crossing. Michigan does, after all, have all 3. (This was easier as a short message where the rest was just implied...wasn't it? lol)

reply to post by HermesTrismegistus


Absolutely true. Also, if you use a "cloud" service like Apple's for iPhones/iPads, do not expect ANY privacy. Your device doesn't need to be hacked - just the cloud service, then they have everyone's data - not just yours.

reply to post by AwakeinNM


The "cloud" issue is another trapdoor.

That is another reason why I keep my OWN PHYSICAL OFF-GRID ENCRYPTED INFRASTRUCTURE built in a custom burn-box with UPS that I can bring to a very molten 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit at the push of a button on my keyboard.

The information I have I will keep.

The only clouds that I want to see are the NATURALLY MADE ones in the stratosphere.

Originally posted by cyb3rR3v0luti0nary
reply to post by rangersdad

 

Covert planting of some illegal porn would be much more fun. Then an anon tip call a few weeks later to tip them off about the gross stuff I saw a cop looking at on his laptop

Illegal porn????

Keep a big cup of water or soda in your car at all times, if the gestapo wants to confiscate your property without warrant or due process you should help them out by dropping it in the cup and cleaning it up on the outside before they go ahead and clean out the inside.
Don't use a cell phone as a daily planner, phone book, social media portal, photo album or diary and it becomes what it was meant to be, a phone.

Originally posted by spacedonk

US Police Can Copy Your iPhone's Contents In Under Two Minutes

thenextweb.com

It has emerged that Michigan State Police have been using a high-tech mobile forensics device that can extract information from over 3,000 models of mobile phone, potentially grabbing all media content from your iPhone in under two minutes.

The CelleBrite UFED is a handheld device that Michigan officers have been using since August 2008 to copy information from mobile phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The device can circumvent password restrictions and extract existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images,

(visit the link for the full news article)

I was told by a reliable person if we lock our mobile phones they cannot get the inormation out without the password. If you are getting pulled over hurry and take the smart chip out put it under yoru tongue, they are swallowable, small enough. ANyhow I would plead my 4th amendment or is it the 5th, one of them, Freedom of expression, freedom of speech, ect..ect.. ANd if they jail be well when they do finally get the information outta my phone they will look like the ass. I know better them to use my mobile phone for any governmental incriminating reason what so ever. I say this to the law..:. O and when I go buy those police cameras that have suddenly started ericted around town, I always do the polite thing and show them my favorite Birdie. My friends say Im askign for trouble, again I say, freedom of expresssion and will go to jail and court fighting it. I have a squeeky clean record never been arrest, had a 10 mile over speed limit ticket and a fix it ticket, rear liscense plate light was out. so as I see it my record is squeeky clean. Bring it on im ready for the scum leaders of todays world

well I guess I'm glad I cant afford an iphone

i find that highly unlikely, since i don't own an iphone, aka, portable tracking and surveillance device.

So are you saying Apple are working closely with the police on this?

As for police searching Iphones I used to build and install the equipment in police cars at one time so I can tell you the equipment I put in them was full blown computers. They could do anything in their police car that one could do on a computer at home. So for them to be able to plug up someones phone and copy its contents or image its contents is an ability they have had since cell phones turned into personal computers too. Its funny though that after all this time of police departmrnyd having access to other peoples devices that the iphone thing is just now making the news. It does not have to be a iphone. It can be a android phone or any phone with the ability to interface to a computer.

I would advise anyone who has sensitive information on their phones to find a way to encrypt or hide it as best they can. I,ve seen apps for this but I dont know how good they are. I would advise to keep a little laptop with you and use the laptop to encrypt or unencrypt the sensitive data on your phone then wipe the free space. With this method they may might just only get your last few calls you made or maybe your contacts but not much more.

Originally posted by KillThePoor
Just tired of seeing you naively defending the police at every single turn because you think they are altruistic robots or something? Police have the monopoly on force. Do you disagree with that statement?

Its alright.. I am tired of seeing posts from people like you who have absolutely no concepty of how government works, how its structured or how the laws work.

For starters law enforcements job is NOT to protect the indiidual - Its to protect society as a whole.

Going into the past and dragging up bahavior that was allowed in the 60's which is absolutely forbidden today undermines you attempt to link the 2 different time periods.

Third, and this is a major issue you and others seem hell bent on, you guys really need to fix the rectal-cranial inversion and stop trying to use "protestors" and other "non violent" acts in an attempt to make the police into something they are not.

Feel free to check the OWS arrests that were made and please link us to where people were charged with protesting? Those arrested were charged with asaults / destruction of private and public property, obstructing the flow of traffic, trespassing etc etc etc etc.

Not one was arrested for "protesting".

You guys need to make up your mind on how the law is applied as well. Its hypocritical to throw a fit when the perception is law enforcement is held to a different standard yet you are perfectly ok with it when it comes to civilians?

The jail is a controlled enviornment... I am surprised that not all people booked into the jail were stripped searched. I am amazed it took a supreme court ruling to affirm that as well.

I understand and respect the issues people ave with government and law enforcement. However making ignorant claims and then stereotyping ever single member of law enforcement undermines your own argument and shows that instead of learning about the system, pinpointing issues and working to resolve them, you would rather just throw stones and willfully choose ignorance over knowledge.

When you have something to add to the topic feel free to drop back by. Until then there are 900k other hate the police threads you can use to repeat whats been repeated a thousand times before.

reply to post by Xcathdra

The jail is a controlled enviornment... I am surprised that not all people booked into the jail were stripped searched. I am amazed it took a supreme court ruling to affirm that as well.

You and me both. If the kiddies would just think for a second...

Say you are being held in a cell. The cops don't get to strip search everyone. You're being held for a silly crime, I dunno, think of one. Some guy pulls a knife out of his butt and kills you. Everyone going into holding should be strip searched. It's common sense. It doesn't mean a cop gets to fondle you for a traffic violation.

Im glad i have just a basic cellphone i can only call and text.and how can michigan afford such and expensive device I thought the state was broke?

reply to post by spacedonk



On what legal basis and for what reasons do the police do this anyway?

reply to post by Domo1


If there is no standardization then the door is opened for lawsuits / claims of racial discrimination.. Why did he search the white guy but not the black guy etc etc etc.

People need to understand that any person being booked into the jail, regardless of crime / charges, should be treated the same as everyone else. If a gun is missed and that persons opens up in the booking / receiving / hold over the sheriff's department will be held liable for that.

People need to undetrstand that when a person is detained or arrested, the person who detained / arrested the person is in fact responsible for their safety and well being. This is required since being detained / arrested means the person is no longer free to move around / leave / etc.

The jail is the exact same but on a larger scale. Because people are not free to leave the jail, their safety falls to the jail / detention / corrections officer staff. Below are some youtube headlines dealing with guns being smuggled into jail as well as weapons that look anything but weapons. Keep in mind that in addition to guns, there are many other makeshift weapons that can easily be concealed on the body with only a strip search being able to locate the item.

There is a video below that shows complacency as well..

Just adding the info so the people can atleast see some video evideence to go along with the text and topic.

Originally posted by learnatic
reply to post by spacedonk

 

On what legal basis and for what reasons do the police do this anyway?

The police are not doing it.. The jail / prison staff does this. Its done because a jail is a controlled enviornment. See my post above to see how liability works when it comes to having a person in custody.

To be honest, I'm pretty sure 'encryption' of a phone is mostly a useless endeavour.

It's a bit like a DVD player, the information has to be accessed by you and come out somehow. The problem isn't encryption, the problem is your information is linked to an operating system which, by its very nature, has vulnerabilities and caches, so even if it was encrypted, these things can be copy and pasted for abuse later.

I'm not saying it's entirely impossible to protect some information, but unless you're passing credentials when accessing every single file (including your cache) there will be a way to access your information.

Would be interesting to see some experiments, but many consumer level operating systems and set ups simply aren't 100% full proof IMO.

The police have what hackers have, plus the power without apology. Smart phones, ipads, and I think in modern cars, On Board Diagnostic sensors too? Government has it too, through the NSA, anything with a signal GPS capability gets kept and may be used against you if law enforcement gets motivated to punish or prosecute you, legally or on their own time, if they happen to be corrupt. They can see where you have been all day too, with GPS tracking. And the microphone is always on. Some cell phones have a separate button battery for GPS tracking when you believe your cell battery has been pulled out.

A tow truck driver told me a story once, how the local police, not the US state police, used Fusion Center resources to connect a license plate to a cell phone, and call one driver to notify him of something about his driving. In that case it was not completely legal for the officer to do that. That is just the story that got told, not the ones that were untold because of police conspiracy&corruption concerns.

Paper may become fashionable again in an espio-nation. Corded phones, a luxury, again. If it has a "made in..." sticker on it, and a bar code somewhere, and a chip, it will betray your privacy eventually.