US Police Can Copy Your iPhone's Contents In Under Two Minutes

reply to post by KillThePoor

The point is though the poster (xcathdra) you are replying to only ever gives an accurate version of matters as he sees things. Right now the post he made is useful to this thread as it also provides an alternative perspective and also clarification of the law as seen by those who implement it.

Your post however it starts out goes on to be interesting when it isn't just trying to undermine Xcathdras post. I feel sure however this technique being used by law enforcement has basis in some other renowned research from days past. I read in the UK a few years ago that the people stopped for traffic violations (some high percentage) tend to be involved in other criminality. This would therefore seem to be an unethical way of catching these people, but then as a citizen am I more interested in drug dealers and criminals being caught than the methods utilised?!?! Probably the former on reflection. Unless it happens to me

Originally posted by spacedonk
... thought there would be people interested in hearing what is being reported.

Yes, this revelation from April last year was in fact discussed here in April last year.


Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Should Cops Be Allowed to Scan Your Phone During a Traffic Stop?
www.abovetopsecret.com...


P.S. Why is this "breaking" news?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
2 minutes????? Wow... They sure get thrown to the back of the line when it comes to the techno-gizmos don't they? That sounds at least a couple generations beyond decent spy tech to me.

Not really. Any technology like that is limited to the speed of the device it's pulling from. One of the best defenses against modern methods like this is to use something hideously out of date.

Any phone is open to this type of thing, not just iphones; though the fact that iphones are often stock standard doesn't help protecting them. Really this is nothing that can't be done with a usb cable and a few scripts though.

The device they're using itself will have been developed by upset digital forensics people who are sick of people messing up or failing to retrieve evidence. It's a similar concept to the military, they prefer to have catch-all push button solutions rather than escorting Daniel Jackson from Star Gate to an item of interest. These devices are especially useful since often you don't have to assist the officer in 'hacking' your phone or other hardware. (Double check, but last time I checked you can refuse to enter passwords into devices)

I do agree there is an issue with them using it during routine traffic violations in the states. I'm not sure the reference to iphones or under two minutes is really concerning or surprising at all though. Translated the statement is like ... you can copy data from a phone at usb 2 speeds ... which isn't terrifying in the slightest.

Honestly though, best thing you can do ... don't put personal things in your phone. Put your personal stuff elsewhere.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by spacedonk
... thought there would be people interested in hearing what is being reported.

Yes, this revelation from April last year was in fact discussed here in April last year.


Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Should Cops Be Allowed to Scan Your Phone During a Traffic Stop?
www.abovetopsecret.com...


P.S. Why is this "breaking" news?

edit on 8-4-2012 by alfa1 because: (no reason given)

I obviously searched poorly and could not find it, thanks for the links though.

EDIT: also did not check the article date... Sorry my bad

Originally posted by spacedonk

US Police Can Copy Your iPhone's Contents In Under Two Minutes

thenextweb.com

It has emerged that Michigan State Police have been using a high-tech mobile forensics device that can extract information from over 3,000 models of mobile phone, potentially grabbing all media content from your iPhone in under two minutes.

The CelleBrite UFED is a handheld device that Michigan officers have been using since August 2008 to copy information from mobile phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The device can circumvent password restrictions and extract existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images,

(visit the link for the full news article)

If somebody purposely kept credit card information on there could they sue for violation of privacy and argue that the police unlawfully have their credit card information.

That is the only thing I could think of right away that could get people annoyed with this.

I have pics of the sky and like 30 numbers in my cheap ass phone.... but if I had credit card info with passwords and stuff like that I could accuse them of trying to steal from me.

Other than that, if it' already been happening then it will continue...

Originally posted by spacedonk
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

it is michigan

and ?

continue please...

That is one of the many reasons why I do not put important things pertaining to my life inside of my smartphone.

I saw this coming down the pipeline 20 years ago. There is nothing new about this other than adhering to the old adage...

"SOMETHINGS just are not worthy of recording in ANY MEMORY CELLS other than the memory cells in the HUMAN CEREBRUM" - me

I wonder if any or all this data that is supposedly on your iphones is on some sort of internet cloud also or in the phone companies storage databanks.

Every computer manufactured in the USA has an inbuilt circuitry which can be forensically analysed no matter what you do.

It's been going on a long time, and likely is predominant in most countries.

We might as well just upload all of our information to a .gov site since they are going to get it anyway. At least this way it will be cheaper and save us money...

reply to post by tooo many pills


What "information" do you have that the government does not have already in their possesion?

SS#(check)
income records and status(check)
property ownership(check)

I mean what else is there for them to record other than your vital statistics?

F'em I say! I do not worry about police or any other authoritarian agency taking my cell-phone or any other property of mine due to the fact that I have nothing to hide...and I do not owe anything to anyone!

I just hope if/when they decide to attach one of those gps tracking devices to any of my vehicles that they give me a free tune-up and oil change in the process!

Why do I get images of hackers having fun with this?

like downloading all the cops information and making it public...

or even dare I say it...

well every good man ho knows careful what slots you use... you might get a virus...


that would be hilarious... the cops download a virus... and it goes into the whole system

good luck prosecuting that one...lol

reply to post by ripcontrol


The rogue hackers will have fun with this ripcontrol. Every time a technical loop-hole is inserted into technology blackhats will have a field day with it and so will the Capitol Hill law makers.

Access is access no matter how you cut, dice or slice it!

Well, they can download my phone all they want. Unless they can break three tiered encryption, it will just be useless to them

Originally posted by XL5
Just stick the phone in a copper bag/pouch and nothing can go in or come out, simple as that. It could even be done with aluminium foil!

There is a picture of the device, and it is in a case with a whole bunch of dongles to physically attach to the data ports of various phone models. It does appear as though you need to physically attach the phone to the device.

The article suggested that motorists were complying with police requests to DL their data because "they have nothing to hide" or as I like to put it "they are completely ignorant of their rights."

I'm sure the next model will be able to do it wirelessly, and covertly. I think everyone here assumes that is already the case, and understandably so.

reply to post by spacedonk


I dare Anonymous to come up with a program that when the police attach this device to your smart phone, it says full after a couple of minutes and when the police goto "view" what they downloaded its EMPTY! And/or it shuts the device down and wont let it start for a good while and then scrambles the devices program so that it doesnt function

reply to post by rangersdad


Covert planting of some illegal porn would be much more fun. Then an anon tip call a few weeks later to tip them off about the gross stuff I saw a cop looking at on his laptop

Pretty much any authority that the police need to be able to do this goes back to the PATRIOT act, which was passed less than 9 days after 9/11, and was the greatest breach of Constitutional rights in United States history.

How did the US public respond to this obscenity? National Outrage? No! There wasn't a single public protest against PATRIOT at the time it was passed.

The US public responded by reelecting the President that enacted it to "thank him for keeping them safe since 9/11".

This act has since been extended by President Obama (was supposed to be extended every year, but he recently extended it for much longer than that).

Any outrage? No !

The only outrage shown is from people who got patted down by the TSA at the airport, something else made possible by PATRIOT.

The most mis-named bill in the history of the world.

Take it from an old schooler...

These tips were taught to me and learned by the age of 4...

Keep the stuff you deem worth keeping secret INSIDE OF YOUR HEAD.

Never write things of importance down!....REMEMBER THEM!

Never talk business you want kept secret over ANY TELEPHONE!...heck...goes for emails as well.

ALWAYS VISIT PEOPLE IN PERSON WHEN YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCRETE CONVERSATION!..No matter how far the distance...got info?....then you SHOULD TRAVEL!

This is the information age for a reason people!

Then you will become an interesting subject for the various alphabet agencies due to non-disclosure of information.

*...and when you hear those almost inaudible beeps on your phone that law enforcement agencies MUST ANNOUNCE by surveillance law to let you know that they are listening/monitoring & recording your call you can tell those bastards to f'off and keep dialing and to get A LIFE!