Legit Questions for ATS Liberals…Shed Some Light Please

reply to post by poet1b


Dear poet1b,

Thank you for helping me to make my point. You could have stopped after

Most Liberals see Conservatives as badly informed, and their sources extremely ill-informed.

I would have agreed totally, but that would only have been touching on the fringe of the issue. But you continued with

It is as if they don't care about the truth.

showing that it is not enough to say that Conservatives simply need more accurate information. You felt it necessary to add the statement that Conservatives don't even care about truth, they are liars by nature. That is an example of what I meant when I said that Liberals see Conservatives as evil doers who are morally wrong.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Propulsion

 

To me, liberals are more emotionaly driven, while consevatives are rationally driven. The two are not compatible when it comes to politics.

The examples are too numerous to give.

My liberalism comes from rationality, and it seems to me most conservatives are ruled by our most base emotion, fear.

Originally posted by Grumble

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Propulsion

 

To me, liberals are more emotionaly driven, while consevatives are rationally driven. The two are not compatible when it comes to politics.

The examples are too numerous to give.

My liberalism comes from rationality, and it seems to me most conservatives are ruled by our most base emotion, fear.

Why would fear be the most base emotion?
Doesn't fear of being eatin make an animal
in the jungle fight or flight? Fear is what keeps that species around
and alive..

reply to post by seabag


Liberals want fewer laws.

They want LIBERTY one of the main tenants of the Constitution ...and freedom.

People should be able to self govern to a large extent and rather than have a government making all these rules outlawing this and criminalizing that Liberals think that within reason (this is key) everything should be allowed in moderation.

You mentioned Sarah Palin but she was anti-woman herself and favoring her would be self defeating if you truly are concerned about rights affecting woman. Liberals are for children, blacks, immigrants, minorities, gays, environmentalist, and the manual labor worker. Conservatives talk a good game but end up selling everyone out to Corporatists, drug and oil interests - the highest bidder really.

reply to post by calnorak


Thanks for proving me right about how badly informed many Conservatives are.

At the end of GWs last budget, total U.S. debt was close to $12T.

Now is close to $15T. Obama has added about $2.6T, but that is only because he inherited a collapsed economy from 8 years of failed conservative policies that had destroyed our economy, and and increased annual deficit over a thousand percent.

The annual deficit under Obama has shrunk, not increased.

Well, when democrats controlled the house, it decreased, but annual deficit spending has increased under the control of house republicans.

www.federalbudget.com...
www.usgovernmentspending.com...

reply to post by charles1952


Fair enough, I went too far.

But I didn't actually say that they don't care, and I don't think that, I said "as if".

Still I agree, I did go to far.

Originally posted by Ladysophiaofsandoz
reply to post by Propulsion

 

I'd like to know if you are for public access to view executions are you also for public access to view porn? I would much rather live in a society where people get their kicks watching people having sex and enjoying themselves that watching someone die. What kind of sick audience would that draw and what kind of effect would it have on us as a society? Do you really think potential murders would watch it? Really? Be serious please. Like having your picture posted in the little paper showing local arrests at the check out deters anyone. We all know every body that buys it knows some one who is in it or is looking to see if they know any of the people in it. Sad and thats what your show would become. Sick sad rubbernecking that would drag people down. Like we need that.

I never said anything about watching executions for sheer pleasure. Oh hell no! But I’m sure there are some who would love to watch it to get some kicks. I’m talking about scarring the day lights out of those who are heading in that direction. Maybe I was a little too harsh to say “public”. Maybe making a problem kid watch an electrocution will give him second thoughts before he breaks into someone home.

I cannot find the article anywhere, but all the liberals voted against it.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by calnorak

 

Thanks for proving me right about how badly informed many Conservatives are.

At the end of GWs last budget, total U.S. debt was close to $12T.

Now is close to $15T. Obama has added about $2.6T, but that is only because he inherited a collapsed economy from 8 years of failed conservative policies that had destroyed our economy, and and increased annual deficit over a thousand percent.

The annual deficit under Obama has shrunk, not increased.

Well, when democrats controlled the house, it decreased, but annual deficit spending has increased under the control of house republicans.

www.federalbudget.com...
www.usgovernmentspending.com...

edit on 8-4-2012 by poet1b because: Change most to many

www.usdebtclock.org...

That is pretty close to 15 trillion, but passed it by long ago. I will concede that I don't know how accurate it is.

You can hit the time machine and go back to 2008 and its over 9 trillion, that probably doesn't include the tarp that bush signed in, but even adding that to 9 something trillion doesn't add up to the 12 trillion your talking about. I am trying to find the government web page that had what the debt was when obama took over, I will also try to find out what it was when bush took over. I hope your not misinformed thinking we had a surplus when bush took over (that would really make my laugh).

Also if its 11.something and close to 12, I will concede to that figure. I am still looking though.

Originally posted by BubbaJoe
reply to post by seabag

 

You are nothing but a troll, I answered you questions before I saw this post, thought you were looking for legitimate answers. You are a closed minded bigot, who has no desire to compromise with the other side, please take your thoughts to your local church, I personally will not respond to them again.

You know, I'm an independent, and from the outside, you sound as liberal as liberal can be. Where are your answers to the questions the op addressed? geeesh...

reply to post by calnorak


How the Deficit Got This Big

[snip] it is worth asking how we got here — from healthy surpluses at the end of the Clinton era, and the promise of future surpluses, to nine straight years of deficits, including the $1.3 trillion shortfall in 2010. The answer is largely the Bush-era tax cuts, war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, and recessions.

Despite what antigovernment conservatives say, non-defense discretionary spending on areas like foreign aid, education and food safety was not a driving factor in creating the deficits. In fact, such spending, accounting for only 15 percent of the budget, has been basically flat as a share of the economy for decades. Cutting it simply will not fill the deficit hole.

It's a very short article, and straight to the point. The graphs and the text for them show just how we got here.

There is one(1) word that is missing from the whole abortion topic. Anyone know it…..???


Any thoughts?








Come on…..?








You can do it…?








It’s c a l l e d…..















“ADOPTION”!

We have a wonderful thing in this country. It’s called “vanity”. G-d forbid you gain some weight and get some wrinkles. WE wouldn’t want that…

Ok, I will apologize to those that stated we had a surplus in the deficit spending. I was thinking national debt, which is completely different.

Clinton did have a surplus in the deficit, but he still handed over to bush a national debt. And of course bush added to it, and so is obama.

www.treasurydirect.gov...

The the chart at this site it shows the dollar amount of outstanding debt on September 30th of each year. ( I clicked on the 2000-2010)

2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49 * had to add this in as its closer to when obama took office
2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

So the 11.9 is close enough to 12 for me to concede on that, however bush started with 5.6 trillion and ended with the 11.9 trillion ( I personally thought it was much less than this). That looks like 6.3 trillion in 8 years as opposed to obamas 3ish in 4 years (well its not 4 years yet.) We are at 15.6 trillion as we speak...

Oh and because its a govt run website, I like to think that it is a legitimate resource and accurate.

Originally posted by charles1952
But you continued with

It is as if they don't care about the truth.

showing that it is not enough to say that Conservatives simply need more accurate information. You felt it necessary to add the statement that Conservatives don't even care about truth, they are liars by nature. That is an example of what I meant when I said that Liberals see Conservatives as evil doers who are morally wrong.

With respect,
Charles1952

I think they are liars by nurture not nature.

FOX news is nearly a monopoly and literally controls the narrative that half of
America adheres to. Meanwhile FOX news does lie pathologically and egregiously
all the time. Communications of conservatism have been tainted by a culture
of lies, this spills into places like ATS.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
The reason you aren't going to see a lot of liberals posting here, is because they are hiding under the shadows of the libertarians.

I'm not posting anything beyond this because I refuse to answer a bunch of loaded questions to someone who has repeatedly ignored direct evidence. Really, all liberals support Sharia law? I guess I must have missed that memo at the last Intolerant Liberal Media Takeover luncheon.

There is MORE than enough proof to refute whatever posts you want to come up with...the problem is, you will ignore evidence, or fabricate counter-evidence, or fall on a couple of good old punching bags like Unce Al and Brother Jesse to lump everyone together. David Duke follows your ideology, I guess that mean you are a member of the KKK right? See how easy it is to be willfully ignorant? It takes work to actually deny ignorance, work which you and your brethren refuse to do, and wallow in your ignorance gleefully, even spreading it like so much fertilizer. Case in point: In Canada, FOX is not allowed to call itself "news" because it has been caught lying so many times. So what do conservatives in America do? Instead of saying, "why did they lie? what did they lie about?", American Conservatives mocked Canada. Instead of actually thinking where there is smoke there is fire, they just made fun of the source. Deny Ignorance, right? I will even ask you now to respond to that: Why is FOX not allowed to call itself news anymore seabag? How do you feel about FOX being proven liars?

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by seabag

 

Liberals want fewer laws.

They want LIBERTY one of the main tenants of the Constitution ...and freedom.

People should be able to self govern to a large extent and rather than have a government making all these rules outlawing this and criminalizing that Liberals think that within reason (this is key) everything should be allowed in moderation.

I'm and independent libertarian with some conservative over tones. I try to look at both sides of the isle. But it seems more to me, that liberals want more Gov. in their lives than conservatives..

Originally posted by Propulsion
reply to post by LErickson

 

The answers you came up with were silly. You never put any thought into your reasoning.

I put more thought into my answers than the OP put into his questions. The first question the list makes no sense. You get the answers you earn.

Just replied with anything that came off the top of your head.

If you say so.

I thought more from the first reply. Guess not. I'm thinking we'll pretty much expect the same from everyone else to follow..

Really sorry that my first post to someone else in another person's thread was not exactly what you wanted.

Speaking of silly, your response here is nothing but a post calling me silly. At least I addressed the #ing topic.

Originally posted by seabag
How is it nonsense? Conservatives are not the ones pushing (or turning a blind eye to) the Muslim Sharia agenda…liberals are. Sharia promotes the killing of homosexuals. How can you support both...honestly??

Because you are wrong about Sharia law. It is just that simple. My neigbor on one side practices Sharia law. My neighbor on the other side is a nonMuslim gay male. My muslim neighbor has not killed my gay neigbor under Sharia law because under Sharia law my gay neighbor is not subject to Sharia law.

All 3 of us get along great.

Now you tell me what I got wrong about Sharia and see if you can ask a not stupid question about it.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Fear is what keeps that species around
and alive..]

no
intelligence keeps a species around
fear is the backup plan
for animals with low intelligence

Originally posted by seabag

RIGHT!!

He just got his own TV show!!

And I gave it to him? My liberal friends gave it to him? I think you are confusing a television channel with half the American population.

How about Charles Rangel? He’s been reelected HOW MANY times?? Please!

Seeing as how I have never voted for him I do not know. I am not sure what your point is. A black guy got re-elected so liberals are all reverse racists? You are losing your own point.

LIBERALS want EVERYONE dependent on the system. Liberal policies make it too easy for people of all races to have no self-reliance or self-dependency. Look at the border issue…this is simply a way to get desperate people on the government dole and voting for liberals. Conservatism teaches people to provide for themselves and be responsible. What liberal policy promotes self reliance?????

So you are saying black people do whatever liberals tell them to do? Black people are not people with minds of their own? They are just sheep that are lead to welfare programs by liberals?
Hey, how about you give me some information with facts instead of this nonsense?

She’s not a woman??

I rest my case! Thanks!

I never said Sarah Palin is not a woman.
I am not sure you can read.

Abortion is taking a human life. The death penalty is taking a human life. One is innocent while the other has exhausted all appeals. Liberals PROMOTE the taking of innocent life while denouncing the taking of a person’s life who has been convicted of MURDER.

You still never turned that into a question so you tossing your PERSONAL FEELINGS at me in response matters none to me.

Originally posted by Propulsion
I said the same thing in my above post. I don't think we'll be getting a whole lot of Intelligent answers to the questions being addressed..

edit on 7-4-2012 by Propulsion because: (no reason given)

So where is your post lambasting that poster for not paying attention?
When you ask stupid questions you should not expect a lot of intelligent answers.

I am sorry the OP asked questions that are so stupid that the 4th one is not even a question.
What do you want me to do about it?