What Happened to the Planes? 911 and Logic

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
The only source is the kinetic energy of the falling 15 stories.
psik

Wrong.

As each subsequent level was destroyed/broken loose from the columns/ etc, it PE would be converted into KE. How much KE would of course depend on how much V it achieved by the next level.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Fo anyone who believes that there should be huge pieces of airplane left over from an impact like we all saw into the buildings, you clearly have no grasp of how airplanes are built.

Airplanes are hollow. The wings are hollow, the fuselage is hollow. All the aluminum components that are riveted together have holes punched out of them to reduce weight. They are made with as little material as possible without sacrificing structural integrity. WHen one impacts the ground, the parts disintegrate easily because they are already full of holes.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but the official story says that the Pentagon plane penetrated through three outer rings of the building, traveling 310 feet in less than one second. I agree with you, planes are hollow and made of aluminum, but despite the speed at which the aircraft was going wouldn't an airplane pretty much flatten like an aluminum can before making it completely through the first ring? Is aluminum capable of doing this? Btw, I'm not saying this with any hostility, just trying to understand what you're saying.

Originally posted by Fluffaluffagous

Originally posted by psikeyhackr
The only source is the kinetic energy of the falling 15 stories.
psik

Wrong.

As each subsequent level was destroyed/broken loose from the columns/ etc, it PE would be converted into KE. How much KE would of course depend on how much V it achieved by the next level.

So why can't you tell us how much energy was required to "destroyed/broken loose from the columns/ etc,"?

If you can't supply that data then you are just claiming you got more energy out than was put in from the kinetic energy of the mass falling from above. But if you don't have correct data on the tons of steel and tons of concrete on each level you can't even compute how much Potential Energy was available. You just have BELIEF without data. So why aren't you demanding the data?

And if complete collapse is possible then why haven't you or any engineering school built a physical model that can duplicate the phenomenon in TEN YEARS?

Talk is cheap. Show us the physics.



psik

reply to post by smyleegrl


I think you hit the nail on the head. After watching SEPTEMBER CLUES, coupled with the non-exsistance of Jets at the Pentagon and Shanksville. It does lead to the notion of,

1) All said planes were fabricated,

2) The planes that hit WTC 1 and 2 and its occupants were assinated. To further the Lie!

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Originally posted by homervb

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Fo anyone who believes that there should be huge pieces of airplane left over from an impact like we all saw into the buildings, you clearly have no grasp of how airplanes are built.

Airplanes are hollow. The wings are hollow, the fuselage is hollow. All the aluminum components that are riveted together have holes punched out of them to reduce weight. They are made with as little material as possible without sacrificing structural integrity. WHen one impacts the ground, the parts disintegrate easily because they are already full of holes.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but the official story says that the Pentagon plane penetrated through three outer rings of the building, traveling 310 feet in less than one second. I agree with you, planes are hollow and made of aluminum, but despite the speed at which the aircraft was going wouldn't an airplane pretty much flatten like an aluminum can before making it completely through the first ring? Is aluminum capable of doing this? Btw, I'm not saying this with any hostility, just trying to understand what you're saying.

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reply to post by homervb


It has to do with the kinetic energy of the object. The plane, while made of light material, was traveling at speeds somewhere around 500mp/h. I think the formula for energy is .5m*v^2. This means that energy will increase exponentially as the velocity increases, and the planes had enough mass to make the energy very large to begin with. In order to simply crush against the wall, the plane would have to be traveling slow enough as to impart less energy than the wall can absorb. In this case, the plane hit hard enough that it busted through the wall and denser parts traveled hundreds of feet further.

reply to post by Varemia


and the wing marks are??????

Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by homervb

 

It has to do with the kinetic energy of the object. The plane, while made of light material, was traveling at speeds somewhere around 500mp/h. I think the formula for energy is .5m*v^2. This means that energy will increase exponentially as the velocity increases, and the planes had enough mass to make the energy very large to begin with. In order to simply crush against the wall, the plane would have to be traveling slow enough as to impart less energy than the wall can absorb. In this case, the plane hit hard enough that it busted through the wall and denser parts traveled hundreds of feet further.

Ohhh, is the nose of a plane dense? Or is it a thin shell?

reply to post by homervb


As everyone knows the Front nose cone of every Jet liner is made with structural materials that can burrow through many layers of concrete and steel.

You damned fool thats why they make Jets that way, so they can do that kind of damage....

Geeze man.

Originally posted by homervb
Ohhh, is the nose of a plane dense? Or is it a thin shell?

Yes, the nose gear is one of the heaviest parts of the plane. It contains all the machinery and cockpit stuff. The next heaviest is the landing gear.

To the poster just above, it's hard to say. The pentagon had such a different structure that was reinforced that it's possible that the fuselage was all that primarily punctured the building. The wings may have folded back or been destroyed.

reply to post by smyleegrl

To me, it seems illogical to fly a missile into the Pentagon and attempt to pass it off as a passenger plane.

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reply to post by Varemia


You, are too much. If the wings 'folded back', where the hell are they? Maybe they got mixed up with all that 'cockpit stuff'. Why don't you just give up? Student my arse.

reply to post by hooper


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reply to post by Genxbeyond

Haaaaaaa, what you typed sounds good but, Goverment controlled employess???

Not the old "everyone who has anything to do with the government is a mass murdering zombie"?? Please, that so worn out.

Ill ask this question on my death bed. With over a dozens HD camers watching the Pentegon, why is the only Footage ever released from the goverment is Of a .0000001 second blip then a massive explosion????

Because those dozens of HD cameras are a figment of your imagination? Good lord, they don't even have dozens of HD cameras on a movie set!!

reply to post by hooper


Let everyone know how this person is a controlled aspect, with no real outlook.........

He claims the Pentagon doesnt have cameras or Missle platforms?

So In Conclusion the most Important building ever made by The USA, is also the weakest.

As its been stated before, 4 men in caves took control of the Air with box cutters and rendered the best the world elite can offer USELESS. for the once AND ONLY ONE TIME EVER, AND TO NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!

reply to post by Genxbeyond

Let everyone know how this person is a controlled aspect, with no real outlook.........

You wish, that would mean someone cared what you thought. I just find it humorous.

He claims the Pentagon doesnt have cameras or Missle platforms?

No, you claimed that they had dozens of HD cameras. In 2001. And missile platforms?? Really? What do you think the Pentagon is anyway?

So In Conclusion the most Important building ever made by The USA, is also the weakest.

The most important? I think people in the Whitehouse and the Capitol building may have some issue with that statement. Its an office building for the administration of the military. Even if it disappeared tommorow our defenses would still be intact. Its an office building.

As its been stated before, 4 men in caves took control of the Air with box cutters and rendered the best the world elite can offer USELESS. for the once AND ONLY TIME EVER, AND TO NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!

Yes, and as we all know, if something has been stated before then it must be true.

Originally posted by Genxbeyond
reply to post by hooper

 

Haaaaaaa, what you typed sounds good but, Goverment controlled employess???

Ill ask this question on my death bed. With over a dozens HD camers watching the Pentegon, why is the only Footage ever released from the goverment is Of a .0000001 second blip then a massive explosion????

Its easy its because ITS A FU..... MISSLE!

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people like you are mass media tools-sheep that believe everything the mass media tells you...

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I'd even say the Pentagon has cameras in every hallway. There has to be footage from within the building that shows the "plane" passing through each section of the building.

reply to post by hooper


Let us all know he utterly beilieves in what the mass Media tells him..