Man arrested for reading the Holy Bible in public

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
He wasn't arrested for reading the bible, he was arrested for public nuisance and trespassing. They were asked nicely to desist but chose to keep going and then act like this is some kind of persecution. It's not. Nobody was singled out for being Christian, they were arrested for being obnoxious.

I will defend both our rights and my religion when truly under attack but this is clearly not the case here.
Nobody is saved (evangelized) by this method, in fact it turns off more people than it attracts.
Living your life as testimony to Christ is how to win souls.

That matters not. That's why douches like WBC are protected under the first Amendment to spit their hate at military funerals.

Lol did anyone else notice how the Christian guy wouldn't get arrested with his buddy? The cop asked him if he wanted to go too and the guy beat around the bush and was scared. Now I know we allll don't want to be arrested but atleast stand up for what you believe in and don't send your friend down the river xD.

First off this is government property. They were asked to leave (meaning THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE)

Second. I keep hearing this "IT'S HIS RIGHTS IT'S HIS RIGHTS!!"... Look.. I could go to that DMV right now and read Lord of the Rings at the top of my lungs.. And I would be arrested.

Third. Please stop acting like your being singled out.. Like Christianity as a whole is singled out by itself and is the only thing that people treat like trash. Look at the Muslamic faith for example, when our government arrests the alleged "Terrorist" the first thing they say is they found a Quran, Jihidast whatever, you get the jazz.

Fourth. It's not that we even single you out.. It's just really annoying.. I mean cmon you're really only doing it for yourself. You are really only doing it because you think you're going to get a house made of gold and a Lazeboy recliner softer than a cloud with 30 pretty women feeding you grapes and fanning you. (exaggeration)

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by timetothink
It still comes down to a matter of who owns the property, they in turn have the right to not allow anyone to be there or tell them how they can act. Someone or thing owns that parking lot they were in and in America private property rights are sacred.

even though I believe in religious freedom, these people were standing line in waiting to do something and these people were annoying.

It's not private property, had you watched the video it happened at a DMV location, that's public property during business hours.

The DMV is government property. So it has to follow the law which means no religion. The little wall of separation between church and state.

People shouldn't be crying war on religion just because the person in the video was too stupid to know the law.

reply to post by DocHolidaze


CAPTIVE AUDIENCE

They were in line . They had no choice in the matter. That's what you are missing. I am a Christian and I understand why they thought it was smart to preach to a crowd of people when they knew they were not going anywhere. But , those are the laws. If they did it for Jesus then great is their reward in heaven. If they did it to be smart azzes then ...............

Remember.

Fake Christians : "Lord Lord all these things we did in your name."

Christ "Depart from me . I never knew you. "

The guy was obnoxious. But that's not why they arrested him. People talk too loud on their cell phones, and don't get arrested. Groups of young men stand in a crowd and tell dirty jokes.

No one is arresting them.Text


The security guard would not tell those other individuals to "quiet down." He had no problem doing so in this video, based on the content of the speech. And that's where the real difference lies.

If someone else is being loud, you have to just to endure it. But if a religious person is obnoxious, call the cops.

reply to post by tovenar


Oh I highly doubt that. If they were Nazis preaching their hate , that security guard would have had them arrested too.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


The title of your post is misleading. He was on private property. True, private property where the public goes, but technically private nonetheless.

I don't care what religion people practice, just don't shove it down my throat and that's exactly what that guy was doing. In my younger days I probably would've spit on him. But now, yeah, tell the owner of the property what the problem is and just call the cops.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by timetothink
It still comes down to a matter of who owns the property, they in turn have the right to not allow anyone to be there or tell them how they can act. Someone or thing owns that parking lot they were in and in America private property rights are sacred.

even though I believe in religious freedom, these people were standing line in waiting to do something and these people were annoying.

It's not private property, had you watched the video it happened at a DMV location, that's public property during business hours.

The DMV is government property. So it has to follow the law which means no religion. The little wall of separation between church and state.

People shouldn't be crying war on religion just because the person in the video was too stupid to know the law.

Again it doesn't matter. It was in no way funded or supported by the state of California, nor the DMV so it doesn't classify under the establishment clause. It classifies under free exercise clause. And its not a captive audience. At anytime people were free to leave, its not criminal confinement.

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

The title of your post is misleading. He was on private property. True, private property where the public goes, but technically private nonetheless.

I don't care what religion people practice, just don't shove it down my throat and that's exactly what that guy was doing. In my younger days I probably would've spit on him. But now, yeah, tell the owner of the property what the problem is and just call the cops.

Then no person at any time can protest on any property other than their own land and homes correct?

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by DocHolidaze

 

CAPTIVE AUDIENCE

They were in line . They had no choice in the matter. That's what you are missing. I am a Christian and I understand why they thought it was smart to preach to a crowd of people when they knew they were not going anywhere. But , those are the laws. If they did it for Jesus then great is their reward in heaven. If they did it to be smart azzes then ...............

Remember.

Fake Christians : "Lord Lord all these things we did in your name."

Christ "Depart from me . I never knew you. "

Absurd. They were not captive. Any of those people could have left at any time.

1984, here we come!

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Grabbing straws aren't we?..

You started off asking how the Westboro babtist church can do it and argued about it, and then you defended it when it was to prove your own point.

It's private property, if Westboro babtist went there they would be arrested too.

Public property like parks and certain graveyards you can protest. Hence why occupy atlanta was at their park.

I'm sorry man but no matter how much you change up your words it's not going to change what actually went on..

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by timetothink
It still comes down to a matter of who owns the property, they in turn have the right to not allow anyone to be there or tell them how they can act. Someone or thing owns that parking lot they were in and in America private property rights are sacred.

even though I believe in religious freedom, these people were standing line in waiting to do something and these people were annoying.

It's not private property, had you watched the video it happened at a DMV location, that's public property during business hours.

The DMV is government property. So it has to follow the law which means no religion. The little wall of separation between church and state.

People shouldn't be crying war on religion just because the person in the video was too stupid to know the law.

Again it doesn't matter. It was in no way funded or supported by the state of California, nor the DMV so it doesn't classify under the establishment clause. It classifies under free exercise clause. And its not a captive audience. At anytime people were free to leave, its not criminal confinement.

Yes the law does matter. And kudos to the cop who arrested him he purposly targets government buildings to pull this kind of stunt while knowing he is breaking the law.

Not funded by California? Who do you think pays the bills and allows the DMV to issue licenses and plates for cars.

Not a captive audience? Maybe you should actually go to the DMV sometime.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


You keep saying that these people where not a "captive audience" but I would have to disagree. Next time you need to renew your drivers licens and have to stand in that line while listening to some one preach about some subject that you find offensive come back to this thread and lets know how much you enjoyed it...

Anyone can go read the bible out in public, just as they always have. The police officer in the video said so himself; "You can go preach on a street corner, sir, but this is a captive audience." And I think the preacher man knew that.

It is my opinion that this preacher knew what he was doing was not within his rights, because he was going to the DMV to do it. First off, like the police officer said, the people there are a captive audience, for most of them are employees and the others are people carrying out necessary tasks; they can't just leave if they don't like what he is saying. By not leaving once he was asked, he immediately began infringing on the rights of all those that didn't want to hear it.

Secondly, the concept of separating church and state being what it is in this country (that being a necessary buffer between free religion and Democracy, keeping us from becoming a Theocracy) any logical adult would know that this scenario is a search for trouble. Of course the employees in a government building are going to ask you to leave if you start preaching on their ciggie break and they don't wanna hear it; they know you can't be there doing that, so long as someone makes it known that you are bugging them.

I believe it was Locke who said something like, "Your right to swing your fists ends, where another man's nose begins." Well, the same goes for throwing your words about, when others can't simply leave.

reply to post by mileysubet


I know right?..

This guy actually believes the other people should have to leave because the douche wants to poop in the punch bowl..

It's almost like Christians pull something like the race card xD..

Hmm I'll be extra annoying and if people with different ideas arrest me for disturbing and tresspassing then I wil blame it on me being Christian.

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Sometimes I wonder if people actually needs this NWO thing.. I mean if you're a sheep then you apparently need a herder -.-

I was watching the video and thinking that it cannot be right that if you stuck standing in line queing for a service that anyone can come along and start shouting their beliefs at you. And then the cop explained exactly this when making this arrest. I do not see anything wrong with what plasy out in the video. Does the preacher feel the need to shout at people who are not going anywhere simply because people will not stop on the street to listen to him anymore?

There is no problem for this man to shout his own beliefs at people if they have the opurtunity to leave or keep moving away. The manner this whole thing played out looked like it was not the first time this man was arrested and the people invovled knew exactly this would happen. People viewing this video in shock and outrage have been conned.

I also believe the COP did this preacher a favour. It has become very clear that these days a lot of people don't like to have other peoples beliefs imposed on them. If the cop did not move the preacher on he could very easily end up getting assaulted or even killed.

Yeah this is sickening... Even if I didn't want to hear him preach, he still has the right too... I don't buy the whole "thats offensive" if that's the case OWS is offensive to me, talking about socialist or communist governments would also be offensive.... It's a two way street, mutual respect on the subject of free speech is needed...

when did we become a bunch of whiners? What ever happened to ear plugs?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

It's not like he yelled "Fire" in a crowded theater or "bomb" on an airplane.

Ummmm, yes, it could very much be like that. Depends on what "passages" he was reading.

If he yelled "You're all going to hell!" that is fear-mongering...and inappropriate. Or if he said "Your city will be turned to salt" or whatever. ... that is also terrorism.

He could have just stood there with a sign that said "Bible reading available - raise your hand for service", and then approached whoever. But IMPOSING what he had to say on ALL of those people is rude, belligerent, and against the law.

If people want to hear that stuff, they know where to go to find it...it should not be coming to them uninvited (like the door-knocking Jehovah's Witnesses or a Dictator using a PA system to order the masses around)...nobody likes it. It's an imposition, and a violation of free choice.


sigh.

Being "loud and pushy" does not win followers. At least I restrict myself to the Religious Forum here to do so!!
LOL!!

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
And anyways, it's during business hours so government property is public property.

WE OWN IT!

edit on 6-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

It was before the DMV was open, so there goes that.