Time to take the gun from the American public!

Originally posted by Skewed

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by Sly1one

 

Actually I do live in that world. I am fully capable of defending myself and I am not useless without a weapon. I sleep peacefully knowing if there is danger I am fully prepared to act. It is you who lives in the dream world that if guns were taken from you...the criminals would control the world. Countries with limited access to guns do not live in constant fear that you gun owners live in.

It is your family I worry about...what shall you do if your ever caught without a gun?


Criminals are not in control in these countries.

edit on 3-4-2012 by kerazeesicko because: I CAN

Are you saying that you will bring a knife to a gun fight?

Like I have said I am fully prepared to defend my life and of those I love if needed. If someone brings a gun into the equation than so be it.

You would surprised on how a well trained individuals life is not dependent on a weapon. I just feel sorry for those whose lives are completely dependent on a weapon...maybe they should not have been let out. It is after all a cruel and tough world at times.

reply to post by kerazeesicko

Like I have said I am fully prepared to defend my life and of those I love if needed. If someone brings a gun into the equation than so be it.

You would surprises on how a well trained individuals life is not dependent on a weapon. I just feel sorry for those who's lives are completely dependent on a weapon...maybe they should not have been let out. It is after all a cruel and tough world at times.

Are those your famous last words?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by kerazeesicko

 

Like I have said I am fully prepared to defend my life and of those I love if needed. If someone brings a gun into the equation than so be it.

You would surprises on how a well trained individuals life is not dependent on a weapon. I just feel sorry for those who's lives are completely dependent on a weapon...maybe they should not have been let out. It is after all a cruel and tough world at times.

Are those your famous last words?

Actually words of experience. I am still alive and all without a gun...WOW..

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed

This is not news to me..but it is something gun owners refuse to acknowledge.

My... great information... the author himself states that his study is just beginning and there is no 'evidence'... you should read your own article.. took about 30 seconds.

Circituitous illogic at the best... given that, we live in the capital of T bone accidents... so I assume we ban intersections and cars... that'll fix it.. (sarcasm)

reply to post by kerazeesicko


Good for you!

I made it though most of my life without one either.

But here you are saying you can defend yourself without one. Are you the guy from mortal combat that can jump 20 feet horizontally and deliver a fatal blow?

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Guns are made for one thing...to kill. A vehicle is made for transportation.

And? The point of the OP was not about what things are used for. It is about removing guns because guns kill people. The fact is, there are lots of things that can kill people. I do not see anyone rushing to remove cars, knives, rope, pharmaceutical drugs or even water from society.

Guns are made to kill, and sometimes killing is needed. If you are a hiker, do you think you can reason with a Grizzly Bear?

And of course your assuming the person who is there to take your weapon is not well trained...the only person it ends bad for is...you....but live in la la la land.

No sir, YOU are assuming that I mean it will end badly for whomever comes to get my gun, but that is not what I said. I said, "you can try, but it will end badly". I never said who it would end badly for.... but if you want me to expand on my answer, the truth is it would end badly for ALL involved. If I die, it ends badly for me and my family and the person who shoots you usually carries around some type of mental or emotional scar from it. If I dont die, well guess what Skippy? It still end badly for me. Do you think you can fire on Police or Military and not suffer a consequence for your action? Someone here is living in la la la land but it is not me. I would suggest it is the person who assumes to know the intent behind my words without actually comprehending what it is I have said.

Criminals have access to guns in America because they are everywhere...guess what...other countries with limited access are not controlled by criminals...people do not have to live in fear constantly. This is just a dream world that gun owners create in their heads.

edit on 3-4-2012 by kerazeesicko because: I CAN

No your presentation of facts is the dream world. I do not live in fear constantly. I do not know anyone who lives in constant fear of being shot, except for people who live in crime infested areas. The funny part is, those who do live in crime infested areas are more scared of being shot by Police than the dope dealers and gang bangers.

The fact is, let us pretend for a moment that every gun is taken away in the US. Legal guns, illegal guns. No criminals have guns and no law abiding citizens have guns. People will just use a different tool to kill someone. The fact is, if someone wants to kill you, they will have a chance to do so just by you living your every day life. The U.K. doesn't have guns, but you can read a story daily of someone who was stabbed with a knife instead. So does that make things better?

reply to post by lacrimaererum


First of all you need to wake up and stop being brainwashed by the media and all the other anti-gun agenda pushers and realize that a gun is an inanimate object. It cannot do anything on its own, it can't hate a person or feel jealousy, or feel an entitlement greed, and it damn sure can't kill anyone. People kill people guns don't, guns are just the tool of choice for most people today just as clubs and atlatl powered spears were the tool of choice for prehistoric man or the sword was the tool for man in the middle ages.

Do you really think that banning guns will do anything to stop the murder rate in this country? If a gun isn't available then people will turn to baseball bats, knives, pitchforks, sticks, stones, slingshots, cars, antifreeze in drinks, pencils to the jugular, or just bare handed. Just as people killed people before there were guns, they will continue if there were none, only it would increase since the hardcore criminals would keep theirs. And why would the criminals keep their guns if guns were illegal?........BECAUSE THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!!!!

No you have been so far beyond brainwashed that it is scary. Take me for example, I have over 30 guns in my home and my wife and I have 6 kids between the 2 of us. Now granted all but 2 of my guns are locked in a gun safe however I never worry about myself, my wife or my children killing anyone. Why? Because we raised our children to be respectful to others and to respect guns and they understand the responsibility that is required to not only have a gun but to be a morally upstanding person. Now that is not to say that if there were an intruder in our home that someone wouldn't be forced to use one of the guns because regardless of whom was home at the time of the intrusion, whether it be me, my wife or any of our 6 kids, the intruder wwould have2 put in their center mass. I am ex military and was a marksman and range instructor and we are all very competent shooters.

If TPTB really want a war then let them try to come and start taking guns from law abiding citizens. If they try to come take mine the closest they will get to getting my guns is getting one of my bullets, and I am more than capable of delivering it to them out to and including 1500 meters. There are way to many of us ex military men and women out there that take our oath yo defend the constitution from all enemies foreign AND domestic serious, and TPTB wouldn't stand a chance in hell against the entire armed US populace and I have news for you, very few in the military would fight their own citizens because they don't want an marked platoon going to their families homes and killing or harming them. It would be a lose/lose for TPTB although it would be a very bloody and costly lose for both sides.

Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by GuidedKill

 

Home owners with firearms may not drop the crime rate but they will assist in the process one criminal at a time

It's interesting that you bring that up...
The UK has (per capita):
1) 133% more assaults than the US
2) 125% more rapes than the US
Source

Perhaps gun ownership in the UK would decrease those violent crimes.

See ya,
Milt

edit on 3-4-2012 by BenReclused because: Add Source

We live on a small island, people over here live a lot closer together.
Just because the number of 'reported or recorded' assaults or rapes is higher, it doesn't mean you have lower per capita than us.

We in the UK have had an improvement to the way rape cases are handled, so women feel able to report such a crime.
As for the violence, well there always has been that element but more people now do report it.


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Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Originally posted by Skewed

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by Sly1one

 

Actually I do live in that world. I am fully capable of defending myself and I am not useless without a weapon. I sleep peacefully knowing if there is danger I am fully prepared to act. It is you who lives in the dream world that if guns were taken from you...the criminals would control the world. Countries with limited access to guns do not live in constant fear that you gun owners live in.

It is your family I worry about...what shall you do if your ever caught without a gun?

riminals are not in control in these countries.

edit on 3-4-2012 by kerazeesicko because: I CAN

Are you saying that you will bring a knife to a gun fight?

Like I have said I am fully prepared to defend my life and of those I love if needed. If someone brings a gun into the equation than so be it.

You would surprised on how a well trained individuals life is not dependent on a weapon. I just feel sorry for those whose lives are completely dependent on a weapon...maybe they should not have been let out. It is after all a cruel and tough world at times.

edit on 3-4-2012 by kerazeesicko because: I CAN

The 'best' trained special operations forces of any military in the world are not 'dumb' enough to attempt a hand to hand defense against a weapon at distance.

A bow and arrow, a well thrown spear, hatchet or knife, a sword... a sling with rock... hand to hand 0 - weapon wins

Women in America report rape even when it did not even happen.

That does not make the UK any safer, if anything more vulnerable to attack.

If all of you pro gun Americans grew up in the UK, most of you will probably be of the same opinion as most Brits regarding armed civilians and vice the versa for us.

It's what you're brought up with.

You know, its interesting... If you remove the guns, the logic dictates that the gun violence will go down. (According to some)

How about if instead we removed the people that are more predisposed to gun violence and just leave the guns? If you remove the guns, those same people will still either have guns or use other means to continue the blood shed. I say we go after the root of the problem.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Women in America report rape even when it did not even happen.

That does not make the UK any safer, if anything more vulnerable to attack.

edit on 3-4-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)

We get false reports of rape too but to say if it isn't recorded or reported, it does happen is wrong.

Domestic violence very rarely got recorded yet it happened and still does unfortunately.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


You know, I think its rather interesting that NOW of all times the media are covering mass shooting and screaming for guns to go, yet EVERYBODY forgets the lession Great Britain learned too late. That without personal firearms criminals become the only armed people in the area. Burglery, rape, and murder- crimes that occur in the victims homes- in the UK this happened en mass and the people regret and are sadden everyday, victims due to government BS.

I think you cannot punish good gun owning citizens for what a few crazy people are doing. In the old days, my grandfather told me his father had a pistol ALWAYS in his pocket- in the market, on the road to and from, and to chirch (you heard me ) never once did he use it but always had it clean and oiled and on his person. I wish we could still practice this, I think it would prevent the crazies.

But even still, I cannot believe this poster saying the Bill of Rights needs an overhaul for 2012! Never! our fore fathers set the laws because they knew what was needed to make a country, freedom to speak and worship to arm and protect ourselves and I'll be damn if anybody will take away my rights.

reply to post by JonoEnglish

If all of you pro gun Americans grew up in the UK, most of you will probably be of the same opinion as most Brits regarding armed civilians and vice the versa for us.

It's what you're brought up with.

Here's the difference. If the armed jihadists invaded your country the UK would be done for.

If it happened in America we would feed our dogs jihad for breakfast.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by kerazeesicko

 

Like I have said I am fully prepared to defend my life and of those I love if needed. If someone brings a gun into the equation than so be it.

You would surprises on how a well trained individuals life is not dependent on a weapon. I just feel sorry for those who's lives are completely dependent on a weapon...maybe they should not have been let out. It is after all a cruel and tough world at times.

Are those your famous last words?

Actually words of experience. I am still alive and all without a gun...WOW..

WOW... did the other person have a weapon?

Best trained Special ops in the world do not fair well at all when an assailiant is more than 7 feet away... you apparently we're shaking hands with the person... and obviously there was only one... or he didn't have a pointed stick...

I'll leave you with this, as you're obviously familiar as this act which enslaved a whole country of people was perputrated by the UK:

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. – Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446

reply to post by kerazeesicko

Always bring up the second amendment...which was needed for that time...get out of the past people.

Here's a better idea:
Why don't you just concern yourself with your own affairs, and stay out of ours.

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

If all of you pro gun Americans grew up in the UK, most of you will probably be of the same opinion as most Brits regarding armed civilians and vice the versa for us.

It's what you're brought up with.

Here's the difference. If the armed jihadists invaded your country the UK would be done for.

If it happened in America we would feed our dogs jihad for breakfast.

That won't happen realistically. Worst case scenario and it did happen, we'd fight back, maybe not with guns but we'd find other ways.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


Is that how the zombie apocalypse starts? because you'll all be dead.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed

This is not news to me..but it is something gun owners refuse to acknowledge.

This is actually true. Even if only one person is carrying a gun the fact that anyone is carrying it increases the chances of someone getting shot. This is common knowledge and even common sense.

However being that me, you and every other person is not superman, I feel the need for a gun. I unlike you have no problem admitting that I can beaten by another person. I have read others posts here where you suggest you can "handle" any threat made to you and your family. Well what happens when the person or person's have weapons and you gave up your guns? What if it's only 5 guys with swords? Are you a ninja? Some sort of Tom Cruise Samurai? Are you just gonna lay down your bat and let them rape your wife while you watch? Then maybe take a run at your daughter or son? What are you gonna do, plead with them about peace and happy things?

Maybe that's ok with you but I tell you what I'm gonna do. I know my weapons inside and out, I train using them a lot and have them all around me. I'm gonna shoot my five wanna be ninja's, then me and my family are gonna go out and get an ice cream while the carpet man cleans up. So any ninja robbers/rapist out there would be advised to go to kerazeesicko house, he is a much easier target......