Time to take the gun from the American public!

reply to post by InTheLight


I can totally agree with you there. We put people through much more rigorous training, and testing to drive a car than to get a concealed carry license. I believe education is the key. All gun owners should pass a safety course, and shooting test to prove they understand due force, and can hit what they intend with a consideration for what is beyond their target. I also agree that a 705 year old man with glaucoma is much more dangerous than the average gun owner, but I see them on the road all the time, and people don't get all emotional and upset about it until they kill a family of 5. Then they get a pass anyway because it wasn't there intention to hurt anyone.

I think if someone displays the skill, and responsibility necessary for ownership of a firearm then their access to arms should be unlimited, until their actions prove otherwise. The penalties for betraying the public trust should be severe. The nitpicking, obstructive laws we have now do nothing but make a few politicians feel better, and make access harder for law abiding people while the criminal is virtually unaffected.

reply to post by Binder


I must say that ability to use a firearm should not be an instant OK. Mental issues and obsessive behaviour (stalking) among other societal problems needs to be looked at, as well as internal terrorism.

sure you`ll have peace in the streets , but you`'ll have no freedom , nothing, nill .. If you step out of line than the enforcers for the government will quietly peacefuly take you away like in Nazi Germany or Stalins Russia .

reply to post by OpusMarkII


They are doing that now. What do you propose we do about it?

reply to post by InTheLight


That's where the shades of grey come into play. A lot of bad behavior goes unreported, and some is exagerrated, and over reported. I have a friend with an ex wife that falsely accused him of domestic abuse. He no longer has the option of self defense with a firearm even though the charges were unfounded, and proven false. Just having been accused is enough in some instances. That is not right. Is his life less valuable? Is he a lesser person because someone else decided to lie about him?

On the other side of the coin what about the psychopath that is great at playing games, and understands the rules of the long con.?They could get tons of weapons by playing the game correctly, and do great harm. Like I said you cannot legislate morals. Action should be taken when action is done. Preemptive laws are not the answer. We as a society have to assume a certain risk for our freedoms. Violaters should be punished fairly, and those who have done no wrong should have great freedom, but that isn't the way it works. Advocating for stronger preemptive laws only affects the law abiding. The criminally minded will still do as they please. There is no way top screen for future behavior.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


Come take mine. I dare you.

Is this tread still alive? Well I got a new Home Defense toy :-)

Just try to take it away and you will give me an excuse to use it

Taking my guns away NOT GONNA HAPPEN

reply to post by cdesigns


Nice shotgun lol. Had to look at it twice, I thought that flashlight or lazer sight mounted at the end was mounted in front of the barrel at first

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
reply to post by InTheLight

 

Let's start with taking away your 1st Amendment rights before you decide to take away someone's 2nd Amendment rights... not so cool anymore is it? Ya know, while we're at it... you lose your 19th Amendment rights as well, so no voting for you... It doesn't effect me, I'm a dude...why should I care about the 19th Amendment... Of course I'd never be one to deny someone their rights, but it's a slippery slope once you start.

Obvious things like Mental Ilness, Current Drug Addicts/Alcoholics, Felons or DV Convictions should lose their right to bear arms. Basically anything that a reasonable and prudent person wouldn't do.

In the eyes of a fanatic nothing is obvious I am afraid. EVERYTHING can be a slippery slope but that doesn't mean we should tolerate anarchy either. I agree with your version of obvious and would like to add no concealed carry permit unless authorised for specific reasons. Also no military grade hardware, except for sub-machine guns.

18 years of age to register guns but you can practice under someone else's supervision, a safe to store the gun and ammunition in the same place. That is my version of obvious, but for fanatics of either side they will disagree perpetually!

I usually only lurk the boards here but this thread hits home for me. I own a few guns and have my whole adult life. Not one firearm I own has killed anyone. But twice in my life my having a firearm kept me from hurt or worse. I was almost the victim of a young man that wanted my keys as I walked back to my car. I was able to produce my weapon and the would be criminal ran off. I guess to be civilized I should have just gave hi my keys and hoped he didn't use his weapon on me huh?

Another time while watching late night TV I heard a noise in another part of my house. When I went to investigate I found an armed man in my home. The life of my family, my wife and children was being put at risk by some....person that thought that the value of these lives was outweighed by his need to take my stuff. I confronted the man and held them at gun point while law enforcement was called. Police later told me this man had been doing this type of thing for years and had in fact shot other people. Should I have stood by and allowed him the chance to raise his total? The man was a felon and not allowed to possess a firearm or ammunition. The law didn't seem to have too much an effect on him.

I have since moved away from the city and now live in a quiet place in the hills of Ky. Where I live now there is still crime but not near as much. Response time for police is pretty long so like most people I have a weapon near by just in case. Don't ever think it can't happen...That kind of thinking can get you or someone you care for hurt or worse.

We need to keep in mind that the 2A is not just there because we lived in different times. And it's not there to just allow us to hunt. It was put in place by men that had seen first hand tyranny forced upon them by those that governed them. And they wanted to make sure that the people, the ones that are truly supposed to be in power be protected against any and all threats. Even if that threat come at the hands of those that are put in place to govern them. It's the 2A that is supposed ot aid the people in keeping the rest of the Bill of Rights intact. Just as much as it is there to help us protect ourselves from would be criminals wishing to do us harm.

I am an avid shooter and collector of firearms. I collect older firearms mostly as I like the form as much as the function. One of the most relaxing things I can do is take a little time to poke some holes in paper targets or the occasional pop bottle. I have friends that believe me to be nuts for having some of the guns I own. And I respect their opinions. I also respect their right to never hold a firearm if that is their choice and I wont try to make them into gun owners. All I ask in return is that I be respected for my views on the matter just the same.

There is nothing uncivilized about gun ownership. When handled properly a rifle or handgun is no less safe than anything else. What I do find upsetting is there are people in this world that think it is right to punish me for something I have never done. I have committed no crime but there are people that believe that I am some kind of savage that needs a gun to feel important so I should be disarmed. Like any responsible gun owner I only want to pursue my hobby while allowing myself to protect the life of myself and my family.

And yes, if they become illegal then I will become a criminal.

reply to post by cdesigns


Nice 12 gauge. I don't like the rear pistol grips myself but a shot gun makes for one of the best home defense weapons there is. I have one here that has a pistol grip but also has the full rear stock. It's just more comfortable for me.

Okay so how do I defend myself from an armed burglar? How does one living in arizona defend him/herself if border hoppers choose to trespass through their property and refuse to leave? That actually happened, and that man was ordered to pay the illegals $80,000 for post traumatic stress disorder while they trespassed. He never pointed his gun at them, while illegals don't have any rights here this poor old man defending his family and ranch was completely stripped of his rights.

The last time a countries government took gun rights away it was planned by Hitler, which lead to the holocaust.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


foolish words..

we do not have enough people carry guns when they need them

or to prevent crime..

Here in Australia, the homeowner is not allowed to obtain any kind of a gun. I envy you guys in America. We have had instances here in Australia, where intruders have broken into a home, tripped over something in the house, and sued the homeowner. The laws in Australia suck.

Two people in my area have recently been charged for transporting guns in a car. Apparently, the guns should have been locked in a secure container of some sort. I have no idea how these elderly people obtained the guns - but they could go to jail.

Story here

If we were allowed to buy guns in Australia - I would. Sure we have some defences set up - but you would need to get up real close to the bad guy to do any good. I had one instance when I was downstairs, I looked up and saw a large Maori guy standing a few feet away from me - in my backyard. Luckily he was spooked and ran away. I did not have any way of defending myself.

Gun ownership laws should be changed in Australia - but the chances of that happening are about the same as a ufo landing in my backyard - another wish I will never see.

Even if the law outlawed the personal ownership of firearms the bad guys would alwasy find ways to keep doing what their doing. In today's world the sale of firearms is going thru the ceiling, mainly for personal safety. As an ex-military police I don't see anything wrong with citizens being able to own firearms. Who knows someday you might need it to stave off one of those crazies running around.

no. it's time to take the chicken snit out of the sissy human

and to take the evil out of the rest.

crap.. another cowardly post

If you outlaw guns, you just create a whole new black market and empower the criminals even more since they're getting more money and since the law-abiding citizen is now known to be unarmed which makes them easier targets for crooks.

This is a complete lack of rationalization here, assuming this is not coming from someone in the government. Given the number of gun-inflicted deaths, there are more FDA approved products available to the public that cause fatal cancers and brain disorders (i believe should be included because most lack ability to care for themselves in addition to unimaginable symptoms). The unknown number of products that fill the shelves of your local grocery that are concocted to jeopardize the health of the American citizen is more anyone can fathom. Judging by your thought process we should also revoke drivers licenses! Doesn't that sound just a little asinine to you?

It's time to take kitchen knives from the american public. how many injuries and deaths a year are cause by those?

Furthermore I say we ban this substance called di hydrogen oxide. it's the leading cause of corrosion and it kills worldwide hundreds of thousands of people a year. sign the petition to ban di hydrogen oxide!!

Nice 12 gauge btw. I had one very similar but I changed the rear grip into a stock after going to the range and trying to shoot skeet. But for home defense yeah. that thing rocks. Nice flashlight and sight btw. looks very tactical.

reply to post by Truthandinfo

I read the article you linked to. That's freaking crazy. Those that stole the weapons might never get caught, and victims might serve 2 years in jail. That's certainly not justice in my book!

See ya,
Milt