Time to take the gun from the American public!

reply to post by Meekbot2000


No government agent in the US has the authority as they have all sworn oaths to defend the US constitution.

Kudos for having the balls to bring the issue up around here. Don't expect much of a rational discussion about it though........

reply to post by lacrimaererum


Well the down side to taking our guns is that you won't live long enough to take em. If you want to see a massive, wide spread, extremely deadly insurrection .. announce to the public you're taking their guns.

Remember..

We have the World's largest trained military citizenry.
We have the World's largest stockpile of weaponry in civilian hands. All the weapons in the hands of American civilians equate the largest holding of weapons anywhere on Earth .. larger even than the US military.
We have serious weaponry too .. not little 9mm pistols and hunting rifles, but high caliber, semi auto "assault" rifles. Body armor, scopes, night vision .. you name it.. all easily attainable.

So as someone said. Come and take them.

And just so you know.. why most Americans don't actually care about gun violence.. it's like a self propelled rodent control. Most people shot are criminals shot by criminals. It keeps the population of deadbeat idiots low. Sure every once in a while someone goes on a rampage shooting innocent people .. but the same effect could be yielded from a big ol' knife. And of course if people bothered carrying like they are permitted, most massacres would be stopped quickly.

Originally posted by Atzil321
Kudos for having the balls to bring the issue up around here. Don't expect much of a rational discussion about it though........

The discussion didn't even start off rational.

No guns means knives.

Know what I mean?

reply to post by blueorder


Cheers to you then!

Originally posted by Meekbot2000
only in america do citizens feel the need to carry a gun for safety. no where else in the free world.

Every american says the same thing
"they'll get my guns off of my dead body"
or
"they'll get my guns when im out of ammo"

etc etc

i'd like to see how many actually would shoot military/govt officials when they came for the guns.

TPTB know a majority(75%) of us (gun owners) would in fact stand our ground on gun ownership. Now depending on how far TPTB want to push it, yes we would fight for our rights. We have done it before and will do it again. With that being said I don't think they are coming anytime soon. They know they would have to take them bullets first.

This, just like all of the other threads on the same subject, is silly.

Bring your knife, and try to take em. See how far that gets you.

The problem has nothing to do with guns.

Originally posted by alienreality
Maybe you can convince all the criminals and psychopaths to hand over their guns?

Anyone who owns a gun and is willing to take the life of another human is a psychopath.

your bringing hitler into your defense for owning a gun? already.

This is absolutely stupid. Guns dont kill people....people kill people.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by alienreality
Maybe you can convince all the criminals and psychopaths to hand over their guns?

Anyone who owns a gun and is willing to take the life of another human is a psychopath.

So I shouldn't be willing to defend myself with equal force?
Defend my family with equal force?
Everyone in the military is a psychopath?


Criminals will get guns and they will use them regardless. Without legal ownership they will do so with impunity.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


I beg to differ. You are only looking at one side of the problem. You figure out a way to take the guns away from the criminals, then and only then will I even think about considering giving my guns up.

Detroit, Michigan: Pizza delivery man fights back after being ambushed

Belgrade, Nebraska: Shooting called self-defense

Wauconda, Illinois: Pharmacist shoots robbery suspect

Boston, Massachusetts: Store Clerk Shoots Man In Botched Robbery

Armed Pastor Holds Thieves for Police

Read many more stories where guns saved the day.
The Armed Citizen

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by lacrimaererum

 

Funny how the folks over there in the UK think that US Citizens shouldn't bare arms.

i hope that is not addressed to me? I am not over there in the UK.

reply to post by eNumbra


Dont forget cops and security guards.

And vicariously anyone who would employ a security guard or call upon a cop.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by alienreality
Maybe you can convince all the criminals and psychopaths to hand over their guns?

Anyone who owns a gun and is willing to take the life of another human is a psychopath.

your bringing hitler into your defense for owning a gun? already.

Anyone who doesn't meet force with force is a victim. I love my life and my family and am willing to fight for both. Most people would consider that pretty sane. On the other hand you choosing not to defend yourself must mean you want to die....I would call that crazy.....

reply to post by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by lacrimaererum

 

Funny how the folks over there in the UK think that US Citizens shouldn't bare arms.

i hope that is not addressed to me? I am not over there in the UK.

Well I hope you're not American and if you are then you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself.

Many of your sources are.

Originally posted by Meekbot2000
only in america do citizens feel the need to carry a gun for safety. no where else in the free world.

Every american says the same thing
"they'll get my guns off of my dead body"
or
"they'll get my guns when im out of ammo"

etc etc

i'd like to see how many actually would shoot military/govt officials when they came for the guns.

its sad that the people have to live in fear and feel the need to carry a gun with them at all times. seems so 3rd world to me.

No guns is the reason the american patriots will have to bail europes collective arses out of yet another dictatorial jam like in WWII...

I don't know why it is that Europe views "no ability to defend ones self" as a quality of a 1st world country...New flash europe, you are not as awesome as you think you are because you don't have guns...

because you arent allowed to have guns means you are dependent and reliant on "your parents" ala the police and military to solve all your problems for you. So tell me who is it that needs to "grow up" again?

An armed person is certainly more independent than one who is not and relies on others "good will" to save them...so I would argue to Europe and the OP...it is YOU that needs to grow up and learn how to take care of yourselves...

If Hitler V2.0 rose to power somewhere in Europe tomorrow, there is nothing the european people would be able to say or do about it, you would have to rely on your "military" to disobey those orders they have been brainwashed to never disobey...

What do you do when you need to protect yourself? Do you honestly believe you will never have to? Are you all that insanely disillusioned? The complacency you have is what allowed Hitler to decimate your arses in WWII in the first place...

Ahh but alas those times are over and there is no possible way anything like that couple happen ever again...right..

Let's compare the U.S to the UK as we are similar in so many ways apart from firearms laws. These statistics are from 2009...

Over 9,000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK

Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241

Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146

Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648
(Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)

Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
(equivalent to 195 US murders)

*The Home office reported murder statistics in the UK for the 12 months to March 2009, but these are 12-month figures).

The international comparisons show conclusively that fewer gun owners per capita produce not only fewer murders by firearm, but fewer murders per capita over all. In the case of Britain, firearms murders are 48 times fewer than in the US.

reply to post by Atzil321


That point is moot when there is an invasion of a foreign power slaughtering your people in masse.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


You seem to be confusing legal gun ownership with illegal gun use.

If someone wants to go on a shooting rampage. Making guns illegal isn't going to stop them.
And that's the truth.

We have tons of laws against theft. But people are still out robbing and stealing.

Making a law against gun ownership will not stop gun crimes.
In fact it will probably increase crimes.