Unions Plan to Train 100,000 Occupy Protesters

reply to post by jibeho


Same people, same communist and socialists groups with the same funding for past 100 years. It is these people with their repressive ideas that have gotten us where we are now. I was once a Union Organizer and gave up the cause when . They proved that the main concern was their political agenda and couldn't care less about the workers that they gleaned money from. They were more concerned about protecting La Raz than the workers they were being paid to help protect. In my opinion they are nothing more that the paid goons to implement radical ideas and political changes for the 1% they claim to be against. In all the years I worked for them I personally saw nothing they did to protect jobs in the US.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

As easily as Tea Party rallies...or any other rally...remember that.

Trust me, I do.

That plays strongly in my mind.

reply to post by beezzer


I hope when that day comes, the American public puts individual politics, beliefs, ideologies aside and stands together. You know the quote: First, they came for the ____ but I didn't speak up because I'm not a____...

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

As easily as Tea Party rallies...or any other rally...remember that.

Sure! However the occupy movement and all of its supporting organizations have been under the federal microscope and in the MSM spotlight since the Fall Protest Season. Unfortunately, for the well intentioned members of this movement, the fringe element and the black masked chaos crowd have cast a rather dark cloud over past events, current events in Oakland again and will continue on throughout this Spring and Summer. Hence the microscope treatment and all of the new legislation to storm Obama's desk for a signature. All in a rush before May Day and beyond. The well intentioned few can't see beyond the hand holding circles and can't hear anything other than Mic Checks. They are caught up in a moment that they have been told is the right thing to do.

When you see groups like those attached to the 99% Spring you have to be vigilant and aware. They could certainly care less about you or about what happens to you should you attend one of there planned events. Prepare yourself for infighting and power struggles. The professionals have officially co-opted your movement.

reply to post by Kali74
Just as long as the Occupy isn't the ones wearing the insignia, then we would agree.

Talk to Van Jones though.

He's one with an agenda.

reply to post by beezzer


Van Jones made this recent statement when discussing his new book

“I have a 360 view. I saw how too many people at the White House level, they didn’t understand the grassroots, social movement side, and too many people on the social movement side didn’t understand the White House, so this book is for what I call the ‘post-hope’ Democrat,” Jones says. “We know reelecting Obama ain’t gonna do it.”

Interesting! The "Post Hope Democrat"... Too bad they don't have a candidate to run against Obama in a primary.

www.theblaze.com...

reply to post by jibeho


You give far too little credit to the intelligence of the majority involved in Occupy, there's a lot more going on than protests and GA's.

Also, I see a lot of conservative fear of what these mass protests will usher in, such as martial law. For the government to use ANY protest as an excuse to declare martial law would be treason and I seriously hope you and the rest would fight it tooth and nail with us, as we would with you. Why do you think we fight the NDAA so hard? Why do you think we support the Lawsuit against Obama for signing it?

This authoritarian crap has been on us since the Patriot Act, you can't usher in what was already there. A majority of the time these protests break NO laws, laws had to be invented and twisted around to make camping illegal as a form of protest, in most cities, but it's not stopping the zip-ties. Permits are continually denied which is why there should be no law requiring permits to protest...why would we ever accept that to begin with? Why would we ever give the government the power to deny us freedom of assembly or redress? Sure it's inconvenient to some people some of the time...too bad, I'm not going to shut up about loss of freedom and corruption of my government just so you're not 5 minutes late for work. You (general) may be willing to accept tyranny, I'm not. How bout blaming the mayor or police departments for making assanine blockades all over the place, or denying us space that's not in everyone's way?

Sigh...

reply to post by beezzer


DGAF about Van Jones or Obama, they failed.

Originally posted by beezzer
Couldn't these be called. . . um. . . er. . . domestic terrorist cells?

That's if they decide to cause damage, create discord, cause harm.

Yeah let's hope so... I know if they come park by my house again, I'm going to be furious! It sucks going to work every morning being asked for change!!!! Also smelling of substances that shall not be named here really doesn't provide a good impression. (had to keep cologne in my car which is a no no).

But seriously, with the break ins, theft, murder, rape and mution storing at these events... One would think if they came back they would be way more stern on them....

I still don't see the point in what they are doing... I really don't and I've tried... At this point they are just acting like those weird religious sects that board themselves in and commit mass suicides.... (i'm talking about the barricades at these "events")

Or maybe... They go about it the legal way.. Which is why i'm a little scared with the unions backing them.. They have people who are not competent enough to get permits and port-a-potties. That would legalize this movement.. which will not be good for those who see through the veil on this subject.

Anyways, I'm glad someone else was thinking that.... This movement has proved one thing... How dependent on the government we are... this socialist movement has to stop.

IMHO, Something is better than nothing.

Take any group of people, and call them all of the names you want, druggies, lazy, uneducated...we are products of the system which bottle-necked us into it.

Unions may have been an enemy, but over-generalization of anything is the same thing as a cookie-cutter. IF a union wants to back a social movement, ok, at least there is some more clout. The masses aren't taken seriously enough anyways.

Jobs need to stay in America bottom line. Some say Americans are too lazy to take Manufacturing jobs? Are you nuts? What jobs? I Apply Everywhere I can, and I see 2 years Experience Minimum, IF there are any at all.. No-One can just walk up to these jobs and ask for one without experience. The people that are outright desperate, are ready to work. Anyone thats holding out is a privileged fool. However...With that being said, How come no-one gets employed in the field of their Degree? And that as well, those of whom who are working see a wage behind the rate of inflation, nor a wage which is capable of actually supplying enough money to buy a house.

What we are being given is a carrot on a stick called credit-cards. What that is, is our Corporate Master's Money they lend to us so we can play the game our parents did, without legitimate money of our own.
You want to Shock the World, Stop using anything on Credit, Stop buying on Credit, Don't Apply for a Bank Loan, Don't Apply for an Auto Loan. Save your money, Invest Wisely in a safe, and refuse to be in a banking system. Don't walk into a store and Impulse Shop. Put it away, get only what you would require for continued maintenance. If you want to live LARGE, you and your friends and family pool your money into a Legacy, or a vision. Use your hard earned money, not your credit which you danced like a monkey for.

Yes we may well end up being tools for an agenda, but your street-level organizers were never given legitimacy and were treated as like the serfs and peasants our Elite Masters think of us as.

I rest my case.

reply to post by matthewgraybeal


Self control will help you with that carrot on the stick issue. I've known plenty of people who live just fine without a credit card... Living within their means and all that... If you want to blame the credit card companies you also have to blame Apple, Best buy, target, walmart and other stores AND websites that sell things that you want to buy...

I don't believe in free education personally... If you want to go to college get a job, join the military, get a scholarship.. It's called higher education for a reason... Student loans and what not are in place, thats also a problem with our over bearing government.. They run the department of education mind you... You can't blame wallstreet for stundent loans..

You can't blame wallstreet for making money, we do after all live in a capitalist country....

To me, OWS does not have a message or coherency at all.. One on hand you want free college, the other you want anarchy, the third wants facism, the fourth wants to kill the jews (not joking happened in tampa). There is no coherent message or demands.. The teaparty has set goals and what they want... In a nut shell less government. I can name that super quick... I'm sure every tea partier will back me up... If you asked people at ows the same question, you will not get a straight answer... I heard this lovely line on Justin.tv (yes it was an OWS filmer) "Why are you here" Response: free college

That's the problem we're facing

I think the overwhelming majority is angry at the state of affairs in general.

The lack of work and affordable housing is in my opinion is the number one cause unifying the problem. Who to blame is the symptom.

That simple. Responsible credit is fine, but until we needed credit, we had sound money. And sound Business.

reply to post by Kali74


It's not the protest in its honest sense that could trigger a martial law event. It would be the riots and pockets of civil unrest resulting from said protests. The police have the duty to protect the city and its citizens. The waters were tested last year and they are now moving for a big push with a whole new kind of muscle backing them. You need to realize that. This is not a Grass Roots movement any longer. I doubt that it ever was. The roots were killed by the end of last Summer.

I guarantee that this will not end well. Law enforcement has been preparing just as much as the movement has. Plus, they have the National Guard if things get out of hand. Especially in Chicago with the NATO Summit. The NATO Summit has been declared a National Special Security Event by the US Department of Homeland Security. This places the US Secret Service and FBI in charge. That alone raises the bar quite a bit. Remember that!

I look at this from an entirely different perspective than you do. Perhaps you need to change your perspective for a moment.

Furthermore, declaring Martial Law is not treason.

In fulfilling constitutional responsibilities to put down insurrection, rebellion, or
invasion, the President may resort to invoking martial law. His action, in this regard, is
subject to judicial review.14
The President may also exercise certain authority to create a condition similar to, but
not actually one of, martial law. In the event “the President considers that unlawful
obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the
United States make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State
or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal
service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers
necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.”15

www.fas.org...

It's not fear as you call it. It is awareness and knowledge of history and current events and how the two often collide by chance or intent. In this case it will be by pure intent.

reply to post by jibeho


My perspective is just fine, thanks. I didn't say declaring Martial Law was treason, I said using protest to do so would be. Violence...nearly every single time there has been violence at a protest it was initiated by and at the hands of police.

These protests and protesters are supposed to be protected by the Constitution but instead we are seeing a flagrant, bold thwarting of that document. There's a long list of pending court cases of Constitutional violations and that is an important facet of Occupy that maybe I should have been vocal about here but...the judicial system is very much a tool of Occupy.

I hate to use the same analogy over and over but, hey, these threads are repetitive too so why not; It is fear from which you speak, there's no doubt in my mind. The same fear a person abused has of their abuser...don't provoke, obey...anything to not be hit or mistreated.

I wonder what the Unions are training OWS to do?

reply to post by jibeho


Let these occupy people come to Pennsylvania. It has been too long since the Pennsylvania National Guard got a chance to stretch their legs on Pennsylvanian soil.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
I like how something as primal as revolution can't even escape commercialization and private interest in America.

That pretty much hits the nail on the head. I'm actually suprised that it took this long.

reply to post by Kali74

Violence...nearly every single time there has been violence at a protest it was initiated by and at the hands of police.

May I hold you to this statement?

So, if the police use legal crowd control methods to subdue an unlawful gathering it's their fault if protestors break windows, set fires, throw bricks and paint bombs, vandalize and deface public property etc etc etc.... Police often respond after the events get out of control to begin with.

It just happened in Oakland AGAIN! I guess it was the police dept's fault too? So, the police should just let these kids do whatever they want at the expense of law abiding citizens, business owners and taxpayers.

Good Luck! Let's talk more after May First. We'lll have plenty to discuss.

OWS incites the violence because they are not competent enough to understand laws like obstruction of justice... and FORCEFUL resistance (aka linking arms)

thats still breaking the law.... The police pepper spraying them (which is a non lethal form of crowd control) is just the result of the law breaking...

maybe if ows didnt break the law all the time.. .they wouldnt get blasted in the face...

BTW pepper spray or tear gas goes away in about an hour.... These kids need to suck it up...

Unions of the past are going the way of the dodo.

While there is a place for worker rights advocates, the days of glass headquarter palaces paid for by compulsory dues are over. States like WI and OH realize that they will lose businesses if they don't get a hold on unions driving up labor costs. So they've passed laws to defang the unions.

Unions will have to be partners with businesses more than just adversaries. If they can project that image and help a company grow, then they will survive.