Do you consider yourself Australian?

Looks like you will have to make room for some more visitors.

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Australia, the 51st state of the USA.

Nope, not Australian. Would like to visit. Visit Uluru.

reply to post by spacedoubt


Actually it has been closed for the public. Reason being tourists, and local visitors to the area were starting to destroy it, by littering, and graffiti, etc etc.

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Originally posted by lacrimaererum

Originally posted by Jace26

Where on earth did you get "light-coloured" from me saying "2-3 generations but still nothing"????

this line shows exactly the kind of person you are. You try to attribute a line like this to me even though i said nothing of the sort.

My comment was ;

so you actually admit that it is most lightly australians you are talking about,

as an alternative to 'most likely' . you are fully aware that this comment has nothing to do with skin color yet you try to twist it into that. You are exhibiting the behaviour of a troll.

Even still thats your fault , saying "lightly" is wrong in spelling you should have said "likely". I didn't twist anything I just quoted your spelling mistake to which you have whinged about.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum
Looks like you will have to make room for some more visitors.

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Australia, the 51st state of the USA.

America has zero ownership of Australia, we are owned by the British Royal Family.

You do realise America itself is a state of Israel?

Originally posted by Jace26

Even still thats your fault , saying "lightly" is wrong in spelling you should have said "likely". I didn't twist anything I just quoted your spelling mistake to which you have whinged about.

I did not spell anything wrong.

'Most lightly' is commonly used as an alterntive to 'most likely'. You are the person that tried to twist it into some twisted race issue.

Why not addresss something more important.

Why did you only draw attention to the people's skin type in your OP. You listed certain races and thats it. Nothing more. Judging people by skin type?

If it had been any sort of intelligent debate about helping people integrate into your society I would have moved on , but in your OP you are clearly only judging people by appearance.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum
Looks like you will have to make room for some more visitors.

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Australia, the 51st state of the USA.

Let me take this opportunity to educate you.The Australian Armed Forces are loyal to the British Crown. That's why "The Crown" is incorporated in their uniform insignia. See below:-

www.navy.gov.au...


Australian allegiance if anything is toward Great Britain and never The US.

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Don't worry. I am aware of the British connection.

I just think its funny how the US is being very oppurtunist in getting its foot in the door. We have seen the US puppetmasters exposed in many other countries.

A very strategic move by the US and one which clearly shows how australia is currently under the thumb of the US by allowing US troops occupy part of Oz.

reply to post by Jace26


I came to Australia when I was 2, I am now almost 20. Although it's been 18 years, I do not consider myself to be what is known as a true blue Australian.

I find it easier to relate to my cultural background than to that of the typical aussie,

You won't see my having a ''barbie'' on a Sunday, or drinking a beer with mates at the pub.

How ever, I am still Aussie.

Being an ''Australian'' does not require you to fit into the whole true blue thing, it is a multicultural thing.

I am sorry that you feel left out in your own country. But let me remind you, it isn't really ''your'' country. It is the country of 100's of different cultures. Yours is just one of them.

I don't understand why we should all be the same. I think it should be embraced and cherished rather. You have the benefit of trying so many different and diverse experiences... I think that beats all of us wearing thongs and having a beer at the pub.

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Nevermind....

reply to post by squandered


Wow, you are ignorant. I thought it was just my mood. Guess I was wrong.The actual truth is we do not know what went on. There are so many arguments far and against that you cannot decipher the truth.

But, I fail to see how this clears our conscience....just because we don't know.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
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Wow, you are ignorant. I thought it was just my mood. Guess I was wrong.

Is this is the best that you can come up with, troll?

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I edited my post, not trolling but you obviously want to live in ignorance.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
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I edited my post, not trolling but you obviously want to live in ignorance.

edit on 4-4-2012 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)

Lucky for me, my desire for drama at any cost isn't as strong as yours

reply to post by squandered


Interesting response. The whole 'going-into-a-shell' to avoid a confrontational, but needed, discussion merely reeks of someone who isn't even sure of their own values or the foundation upon which they are built.

What isn't surprising is I'm actually in the same situation, hence why I am ashamed currently to be 'Australian'. Our government is crap, we're letting the US taunt China from our soil, we're letting China buy our land, we're outsourcing almost everything....the list is endless. Then add to that the shady history, and even the possible conspiracy to hide the fact Egyptians were first here.

You cannot deny the fact the settling of the English led to the downfall of the Aboriginal culture just as the English settling in America destroyed the Indians culture. You cannot deny it and if you do you are plain ignorant. What's worse is that IT DOES MATTER that this was done and the perception that 'because we are more modern and have better technology we have more of a right to this land'. If that is your true mindset then I guess you'll have no qualms if the US decide to drop a nuke or two on us because they have better technology? I hope you see my point. I'm definitely not a troll....and generally a star/post ratio will give you the best idea if someone is a troll....so I hope you understand that I just feel very strongly about this perception people have and the fact a great culture with fantastic art and great oral history was brought to its knees and destroyed due to western invasion.

I know how we'd feel if we were invaded by a foreign force with better technology/ideaology and forced to live the lifestyle and way of them. I'm pretty sure the Islamic crusade would be something like that. How would you feel then? I'm sure one day you will understand.

This is why I have such a strong opinion of this and also why i feel everything happening now is karma for the Western worlds attitude. I mean I could go on forever. The English in India, the Dutch in Africa...throughout history there is this mentality. We are reaping what we sow by perpetuating this mentality because people are fleeing these countries that were destabilised initially by the Western world and now they seek refuge from the strife by moving to Western countries.

It's all cyclic. It's all just lessons. Karma brings everything into balance.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by squandered

 

Interesting response. The whole 'going-into-a-shell' to avoid a confrontational, but needed, discussion merely reeks of someone who isn't even sure of their own values or the foundation upon which they are built.

What isn't surprising is I'm actually in the same situation, hence why I am ashamed currently to be 'Australian'. Our government is crap, we're letting the US taunt China from our soil, we're letting China buy our land, we're outsourcing almost everything....the list is endless. Then add to that the shady history, and even the possible conspiracy to hide the fact Egyptians were first here.

You cannot deny the fact the settling of the English led to the downfall of the Aboriginal culture just as the English settling in America destroyed the Indians culture. You cannot deny it and if you do you are plain ignorant. What's worse is that IT DOES MATTER that this was done and the perception that 'because we are more modern and have better technology we have more of a right to this land'. If that is your true mindset then I guess you'll have no qualms if the US decide to drop a nuke or two on us because they have better technology? I hope you see my point. I'm definitely not a troll....and generally a star/post ratio will give you the best idea if someone is a troll....so I hope you understand that I just feel very strongly about this perception people have and the fact a great culture with fantastic art and great oral history was brought to its knees and destroyed due to western invasion.

I know how we'd feel if we were invaded by a foreign force with better technology/ideaology and forced to live the lifestyle and way of them. I'm pretty sure the Islamic crusade would be something like that. How would you feel then? I'm sure one day you will understand.

This is why I have such a strong opinion of this and also why i feel everything happening now is karma for the Western worlds attitude. I mean I could go on forever. The English in India, the Dutch in Africa...throughout history there is this mentality. We are reaping what we sow by perpetuating this mentality because people are fleeing these countries that were destabilised initially by the Western world and now they seek refuge from the strife by moving to Western countries.

It's all cyclic. It's all just lessons. Karma brings everything into balance.

You do realise the British built Australia, right?
Before them there was nothing here, the Aborigines never had much culture to begin with. It was only after the 19th century when Aboriginal culture began to thrive, where dot painting was invented and their people were brought out of the stone age.

You also realise its not the people of the west who have done these crimes, it was the governments, royal families, and corporations. Your inept attitude shows just how stubborn you are to accept that the West has done far more good than bad.
Also, please remember that Australia is an Eastern country, not a western country.

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You associate 'culture' with technology. It is an utter insult to their people, and to every other aboriginal culture on this planet, to say they had no culture. They had a culture, it was just different. They didn't need to farm, they didn't need big houses and to accumulate material wealth. Neither did any other first nation people on this planet. I am quite aware of those who have propagated this expansion of the 'new world', which is the correct term.

I am also completely aware that they have purposely perpetuated this mentality to condition the 'people' to also have this mentality. Expansion, expansion, expansion. At any cost. Then rationalise their actions, they justify their choice, by sending their overflowing prison population, South Australia excluded.

Thank you for the discussion but it is quite clear I am not going to be able to agree.

Well Jace..these immigrants have not met white Aussies like you. Maybe they have come across racist Aussies who made them feel unwelcomed. Some people are narrow minded and are like that everywhere. I suppose it would be fair to assess the 2nd gen immigrants to see how well they intergrate with the white locals. Its not easy for the immigrants who do not speak a word of English to mix around when they are have problem being understood. I am sure everything will turn out fine. Just look at the foreign students at Aussie universities. They intergrate just fine with the locals.

Well Jace..these immigrants have not met white Aussies like you. Maybe they have come across racist Aussies who made them feel unwelcomed. Some people are narrow minded and are like that everywhere. I suppose it would be fair to assess the 2nd gen immigrants to see how well they intergrate with the white locals. Its not easy for the immigrants who do not speak a word of English to mix around when they are have problem being understood. I am sure everything will turn out fine. Just look at the foreign students at Aussie universities. They intergrate just fine with the locals.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum

'Most lightly' is commonly used as an alterntive to 'most likely'. You are the person that tried to twist it into some twisted race issue.

Huh?

On which country is that the case?

Most likely, none.

Likely and lightly are entirely two different meanings. And they are not interchangeable.

Are you lightly to change you mind on the issue, or are we likely to disagree on it?

reply to post by Mentalistbee


It's a simple matter of identity. The entire world wants to have an identity. That is why it is called "Chinese food" or "Indian food" or "Lebanese bread" or "Kiwi Fruit".

It's not about stifling people, it's about expressing a uniqueness.

Australia *DOES* have a unique and great culture. And anyone who pulls a funny about yoghurt here, is simply envious.

But, in trying to keep that culture, people will be attacked for being too white, or too bah blah blah, and whatever, there is no arguing logically with them.

What it boils down to, no matter who you are, if you embrace the values this country offers, you're an Aussie.. if you want to stick your thumb at your nose and raspberry it, you're not.. thats my opinion. I'm not heading anywhere anytime soon.

BBq's and beer.. howtypical that is all people think of when Aussie culture is mentioned.

Bit like flapping your hand ver your mouth and going how how how how to be an American Indian, but then, it's OK to insult Aussies because we're evil prisoners who would rape your bread-cat for toast.

bleh...