Propranolol: The Drug That Everyone Will Be On.

First, scientists don't call it a cure for racism. Maybe the news did to hype a non-story. Studies showed it slightly reduced racist tendencies. It's never going to be prescribed for racism. The news just brought this up because of the trayvon martin killing.
Second, you obviously don't know much about pharmaceuticals. There are tons of drugs that have different and multiple effects.

Originally posted by Ghost375
There are tons of drugs that have different and multiple effects.

Of course there are, but OP made some interesting and plausible connections between one of them, and it's possible uses as he suggested and it's effects in that regard.

That's what we're discussing here.

What do you think about it?

Originally posted by Xterrain
What are your thoughts on Propranolol?
Why do you think it's being described to treat so many different 'afflictions'?
Why do you think it's received so much funding to test it again and again on different 'problems'?

I have a heart condition which causes extreme alterations in blood pressure and resulted in me collapsing several times and having to leave my career.

Propranolol was prescribed to treat my heart condition and treat the associated anxiety and panic that comes with an episode.

I can assure you that Propranolol is a working drug that effectively treats my condition, and does not alter my conscious state or affect my perception of the world around me.

Likewise, having researched this prior to me taking it, a beta blocker is by its very nature perfect for treating numerous conditions and medical problems.

I fail to see how my taking Propranolol changes anything, or why it would be in anyone's interest for me to be taking it (other than the manufacturer)
Regardless, I can attest to the fact that it helps to treat my condition.

So if I fall in love with my neighborhood: its trees, the people, the hills, the cracks in the road, the old church and community store, etc. And then some bulldozer from a multi-billion dollar company flattens everything, will this drug make me feel less angry and more accepting if they hand me $75,000?

Originally posted by fiftyfifty
I have been taking Propanalol for 10 years now to suppress cluster headaches. To be honest, without it I couldn't live a normal life. I haven't had time to read the whole OP. I'm not racist in any way but that isn't because of the drug. People cannot be drugged out of racism.

Neither do I. I have a family member who has been on propanolol all of her life to control heart rate, and she's very racist.

Possible side effects of taking this compound include:

* abdominal cramps
* diarrhea
* constipation
* fatigue
* insomnia
* nausea
* depression,
* memory loss
* fever
* impotence
* lightheadedness
* slow heart rate
* low blood pressure
* cold extremities (lack of circulation due to low blood pressure)
* sore throat
* shortness of breath



"Propranolol can aggravate breathing difficulties in patients with asthma, chronic bronchitis, or emphysema. In patients with existing slow heart rates (bradycardias) and heart blocks (defects in the electrical conduction of the heart), propranolol can cause dangerously slow heart rates, and even shock. Propranolol reduces the force of heart muscle contraction and can aggravate symptoms of heart failure. In patients with coronary artery disease, abruptly stopping propranolol can suddenly worsen angina, and occasionally precipitate heart attacks.If it is necessary to discontinue propranolol, its dosage should be reduced gradually over several weeks"

On top of all that, it's addictive too? Awesome.

Regardless of this possibly causing anyone to lose brain cells, it doesn't sound like something I'd want to be taking for any reason.
If it has worked in some way for some of you, great... that list is far too long for me though, much like every other "prescribed" substance the man in the white coat hands you.

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propranolol hydrochloride
Propranolol (INN) is a sympatholytic non-selective beta blocker. Sympatholytics are used to treat hypertension, anxiety and panic. It was the first successful beta blocker developed. Propranolol is available in generic form as propranolol hydrochloride.
Propranolol Hydrochloride

Some facts related to this 'interesting' theory...
Being aware means being informed, not just reacting.
~ann
p.s. They are out to get us, but not with propranolol.

Link:
en.wikipedia.org...

Propranolol works to inhibit the actions of norepinephrine, a neurotransmitter that enhances memory consolidation.

Link:
en.wikipedia.org...

Norepinephrine is released when a host of physiological changes are activated by a stressful event.
..............
The noradrenergic neurons in the brain form a neurotransmitter system, that, when activated, exerts effects on large areas of the brain. The effects are alertness and arousal, and influences on the reward system.

It could be that some people get stressed about certain trivial things and thus need a method to reduce their stress levels. They might take something like this. Problem is that if your brain accurately gauges the threat from SOMETHING ELSE then this drug will distort your brain's ability to warn you and prepare itself.

IMHO, only take this if you already have a very serious problem and can accept its side effects.

It's not about good vs evil. It's about whatever is less evil.

So I think it's ok for some people to take it. But it needs responsible oversight.

Irregardless of whether the OP is correct or not, this is just another typical thread in the fabric of our society. What is the leading cause of death: heart disease. Why do people have bad hearts? Diet, lifestyle...ect. does anybody see a pattern here? Problem -> Reaction-> Solution

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Some people are born with defects or genetic issues that cause their heart to become defective EVEN THOUGH they act completely normally and within the range of healthy diet and lifestyle.

But you're generally right... heart disease wouldn't be so common if we were more responsible.

I take this for tremors and anxiety of sorts. My hands shake a lot and they don't know why so I was prescribed this. I also get very strung out over stupid things which makes everything start shaking, which is the other reason I was prescribed this stuff.
I have no complaints. It works pretty darn well and the only side effect I have ever had is that I get a little sleepy if I take too much.

It will not cure racism. That is just retarded and if you believed that for one second well...

I know I still hate everyone equally. This is a good medication that ACTUALLY HELPS people with very little and minor side effects. They don't make medications like this one anymore. Aside from preventing me from spontaneously combusting from pure rage, it also got me through my college public speaking class with a B! WhooHoo!

reply to post by Xterrain
Looks like another thing to add to the water!

I was prescribed Propranolol since I have uncontrollable body tremors. It's a neurological disorder, but seriously, I rather live my life free of everything that comes out of pharmaceutical companies.

I do not trust them, I do not want them to have my money and I rather shake a bit.

I was very afraid of a couple side effects too, I already have lowish blood pressure, I do not want to lose my hair any more and the part where it can slower my thinking ability is down right scary for me.

Isn't it like the TPTB? They fuel racism and then offer a solution.

Originally posted by Aliensun
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I've been taking it for several years for high blood pressure. It works so-so in that regard on me, but in regard to reducing or preventing racism, I don't think it is working!

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I'm personally taking all kinds of drugs, (Prescribed of course) and I hate everybody. Not in a violent psychopathic way, but more like a Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino kind of way.

I guess a better term would be grumpiness. Grumpy towards every race. If they learn to control parts of the brain that involve people developing opinions, we will be nothing more than animals. Simply reacting instinctively as things happen. Never really forming opinions from memories.

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Added that to my to do list.

TPTB have been trying everything to get us in line, political correctness is a form of control...

Lithium in bottled water...the list goes on.

I think everyone should to this list...see how our ideas compare.

Haarp could be keeping us in a state...the Nazis did it.

Originally posted by TheMoose
kinda reminds me of this movie, quite underrated, and a little bit scary.

www.imdb.com...

edit on 2/4/2012 by TheMoose because: edit links

your avatar is a little bit scary!!

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I take Toprol for an arrhythmia, have you come across anything that relates to this being the same drug?

I sure haven't noticed it calming me down or making me more politically correct.

I think it is relevant that it's being pushed so much. However, I think its much more simple than that however. Simple suppression of the stress response. The grand majority of medications are designed for this purpose. TPTB create stress, force substances upon us that turn stress into manifestations of disease, and sell us the solution in magic pills. Beta blockers are nothing new, they simply block the cells that tell you "work harder, we're fighting/flighting and need more output). And I really can imagine a medication such as this having psychological effects like this in some people by related pathways. I'd be surprised if it had no effect on the mind at all given the importance of the system it operates on (cardiovascular).
The problem is when you label something like racism as a disease. Like it or not, racism is nothing more than freedom of speech expressed in specific direction. I am not advocating for racism, but I will advocate that there is nothing we can do about racists. It makes me nervous when we start labeling racism as a disease, as it essentially addresses a segment of our freedom of speech, and labels it as unacceptable and in need of being addressed. Deciding what is/isn't ok for people to think is a rather scary door to open. And it's a hard one to push for ethically

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No offense OP but I almost fell out of my chair laughing. I've studied these types of drugs for a long time. I've talked to lots and lots of people who've used Propranolol, many of them can be found in the social anxiety forums in the internet. The only thing it does is remove physical anxiety (not even psychological anxiety).
And for too many people who are already calm it is the worst drug ever, they can barely get out of bed. This is totally the wrong drug to create a conspiracy out of.

I suffer from cluster headaches with episodes that can last for a month. I take Propranolol to prevent anxiety when the attacks start. It works really well and does not mess with my mind at all. It doesnt change my opinion of anything. When i take it i dont feel any different , certainly not drugged up in any way.