The big secret is.....

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This idea of planetary alignment is getting too complex. I think the whole scheme needs to be something that is easy to follow. How could a person know planetary alignments? I think simply looking at the headline news should be enough. Are you seriously thinking that the financial elite are all tracking planetary alignments? That would be even more bizarre. Who would think it?

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Alright. Who can know these parans without a computer program?

Is there a mathematical formula for calculating them? Do you have to be able to see the planets in the sky? What if there are clouds and rain? Is there another cyclical method of knowing these things? And magical angles? That all seems too complex.

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Hmm yeah, see what you mean. This "parans" and "financial astrology" does look very interesting so thanks BLAQHAZE137... But i guess the key thing here is "can everyone trading follow it".

...Whereas everyone can easily access news papers, to be able to follow the headlines and the 40,240 cycle from around the world.

Sorry if ive cluttered up your thread with the financial astrology stuff, was just sharing what i found today.

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It is not clutter at all. Thank you for the input.

Who knows? It could be true. I'm googling stuff about parans.

Hi XXX777. I like your stories and explainations of those 6 themes through out this thread. Would you be ok with explaining the symbols a bit please, and how they follow on from each other.

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Things you’ve said that are important to watch for:
“Gate” = The dates marking transition points between Rounds
Wednesdays = Day of Mercury (Hermes), the messenger, the god of trade and profit
18th Week = 18th week of pregnancy, the new creation starts to move, the quickening. 18/22
30th week = Unborn child's ability to survive outside the womb

Counts you’ve identified as potentials:
8/32
10/30 survive
18/22 quickening
10/20/10
20/20 balance

Explaination of the Theme Types:
TYPE 6 RC: The 'Captive is actually the Goddess Herself
TYPE 5 SD: Shes held captive in the high tower of ye olde dragon tales, caves
TYPE 4 BH: Awaiting for the valiant Hero that will slay the Dragon and rescue Her, hercules wrestling with a bull
TYPE 3 SWP: The Hero & Goddess make love, Then Great Mother divides Herself to create Son (the baby, the valiant youth, the hero, the father, the Sun)
TYPE 2 GM: The Goddess is now pregnant 40 weeks
TYPE 1 WC: Until She gives birth to the one held captive inside Her. The totality, the all, dot

OK so taking notes from all your posts XXX777 thanks, and trying to figure the sequence out.

There are 6 theme TYPES, each type consisting of 6 ROUNDS, each round consisting of 40 WEEKS

… So 6 rounds of 40wks total = 240wks = one big count of a type
… there are 6 theme types which total = 1440wks = a complete wave cycle
… then start again

You say Week 29 begins 22nd June Sunday
Type3 (separation), round1 (creation), week29

1. World Creation
2. Great Mother
###3. Separation of the World Parents
4. Birth of the Hero
5. Slaying of the Dragon
6. Return of the Captive

Rounds
###1. Week 29 of 40wk Creation
2. 40wk Mother
3. 40wk Separation
4. 40wk Birth
5. 40wk Slaying
6. 40wk Return

www.timeanddate.com...

ok so, using a calculator above … have I got this sequence correct? *grin*

>>>12 weeks from now, The “gate transition point” would be Sunday, September 14, 2014 - from round Creation to round Return
>>>228wks from now, The “gate at the ending of long count” would be Sunday, November 4, 2018 - from type 3 Separation to type 2 Great Mother
>>>If so, just curious, what started you counting this present wave of 6 themes on Sunday, February 13, 2000, some 749wks ago? ... not clear on what starts a wave count.

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13,000,.......or 3594 years ago,she might run in 3600 year cycles,or rather flush in those timeframes.

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Now the great mind is bring together the pieces. EVERY major event in this creation occurs around Parans. Let me give you an example...

Watchers are very good at predicting events. What XXX777 is teaching to the public is amazing. Remember the word "Gates" require "Keys". XXX777, can you please lookup the following date using your 40 week cycle?

On September 11, 2001, the world was rocked by a very well planned shock to the consciousness. The SUN on the angle with another star is a paran. The two stars the powers that be in this creation map out are Sirius and Alnilam. EVERY major event that rattles our creation occur when these stars are in paran.

Now, back to my example. September 11, 2001 started at 19:21 on September 10, 2001 (Sunset). On this day, the SUN (Horus) was setting while Alnilam (Osiris) was culminating in the midheavens. The next day, major event occurred. The same pattern can be found in many of the wars, assassinations, extreme weather patterns (Although Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto are usually the cause for these). I have traced hundreds of years of events and found parans with Siruis and Alnilam as the main focus. To be continue...

a reply to: XXX777

I use a program that tracks every second of this creations. There are free sites you can use:

www.astro.com...

The rules for parans are:

Sun with a star on the Asc MC, DC, or IC.
Times for parans are:
Midnight or
the day prior at sunset
or
sunrise

The key to understanding this knowledge is knowing that the angles are important... really important.

Planets act as trigger events, they all have to be filtered through the SUN. Our baby Horus is a tiny little thing surrounded by giant stars able to force their influences.

XXX777 calendar + parans while looking for trigger events is the key. The ancients watched the horizon, the midheaven, and the decendant, and was very accurate with major events (especially events that cause ground hog day).

Another example of parans (Alnilam) is today June 23, 2014. The Alaskan Islands were hit with a major earthquake. These islands are associated with Venus or talked about greatly in the scientific community. Now, why is this important? Remember Planets are triggers, but the cause is a star. I hope you can open this pdf... look for Venus in paran with ?

Venus Paran

Remember, EVERY event in this creation is associated with Osiris and Isis (Alnilam and Sirius).

XXX777
BTW: I had to edit this.... Venus in astrology is connected with money, what message would you interpret? Use your 40-weeks calendar and the combination of the paran....a complete message? Financial shakeup?

Dow Jones

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First, I'll say that there is no substitute for actually reading Helena Blavatsky's books ''The Secret Doctrine'' and ''Isis Unveiled''. Follow that with Erich Neumann's book ''The Origins and History of Consciousness''.

I am trying to talk about this thing with some words I have chosen because they sound good to me. They seem to be descriptive enough to simplify talking about this thing. Remember I don't know things for certain because nobody has taken me aside and told me these things. I have only read those three books listed above, and then thought about it all for a long time. I'm making up descriptions about these things. Blavatsky's books do not use the same six-step sequence descriptions that Erich Neumann writes about. She does however talk about a sequence of events that align with his descriptions. I noticed the similarity. One day I just noticed the similarity between what Blavatsky wrote and what Neumann wrote. Then I thought the idea of having a six-step master plan would be an awesome idea as it is even mentioned in the Bible. So how could one go wrong looking for a six-step plan? It seemed to make a lot of sense to me intuitively.

Blavatsky writes that wise men of old have always been fascinated by the 40 weeks of pregnancy and they noticed that the baby moved at the 18th week and that a baby born early in the 30th week could survive outside the womb. She says these moments in time are called the quickening in the 18th week and the viability in the 30th week. I had read this prior to the Elizabeth Smart event of 2002-2003. When I saw that Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped on the Night of the Watcher I knew something was very interesting about this event. Many months later, when I saw in the headline news that Elizabeth Smart had been found exactly 280 days or 40 weeks after her disappearance I immediately realized this was some sort of contrived teaching event. After that, the really big moment of breakthrough came when I was re-reading Neumann and got to the part where he states that in the sixth step of the evolutionary sequence the ''captive'' is actually the goddess herself. It dawned upon me that the story of this kidnapped girl was being broadcast in order to reveal to us the actual starting and ending dates of the sixth step. The girl was captured and later rescued. Neumann says that the captive is actually a real living woman. These dates of the Elizabeth Smart event are June 5, 2002 and March 12, 2003. Those dates fall on Wednesday. I call those dates the gates. The 280 days between the gates are like waterway locks that raise or lower the level of the stock market.

I struggled with a proper understanding of the timing. I thought maybe the date of Elizabeth's rescue was the beginning of the sixth step ''the rescue of the captive''. Then I thought maybe the date of Elizabeth's capture was the beginning of the sixth step. I finally decided that the event was a whole unit of time equal to 40 weeks, and being a weekly phenomenon, the event was actually taking place from the week of her capture to the week of her rescue. I began to grasp this as happening in Week 40. If one were to give a clue about what was coming in the 40 weeks ahead, then one would have to give this clue before Week 1, right? When to broadcast it? Late Saturday night? Early Sunday morning? It is best to broadcast this stuff during the week when people are normally watching the news as part of their daily routines. What better day than Wednesday, the day of God's messenger? The middle day of the money trading week.

So now I figured the cyclical phenomenon was in its last step of steps and was about to start all over again. A friend of mine just blurted out one night that there could be cycles of cycles and steps inside steps. That happened to be a very clever idea. I decided to test the idea that there are actually 36 steps, 6 groupings of 6 steps. Elizabeth Smart was step 36. The people running this time table were not only showing us the 40-week unit of time, but they were showing us the final step in the 36 steps. The idea is that the woman makes a new life so that the whole thing can continue. I believe the ''captive'' is not only the woman held captive to her condition, but the new life held captive inside the woman in the womb/tomb/Earth. The sequence runs like this...

1. World Creation,
2. Great Mother,
3. Separation of the World Parents,
4. Birth of the Hero,
5. Slaying of the Dragon,
6 Rescue of the Captive,

and Transformation and Deification of the Hero (in Erich Neumann's book). This final 7th step is equivalent to the 7th day talked about in the Bible. I believe that God could rest after setting the Creation in motion because the design calls for the whole thing to start again from the beginning. This is why the 7-day ''weekly'' cycle only has six steps. I believe the 7th step is an implied return to the first step in order to run the sequence again and again.

Your list of step 6 down to step 1 is very interesting.

I read the list as follows...

1. undifferentiated ALL (masculine/feminine/everything)
2. the amazing replicating female
3. she divides herself, birthing her son
4. metaphorical ''birth'' of the man as he matures and experiences life's journey
5. old enough and man enough to impregnate the woman in order to overcome the effect of the Sun (Dragon) and time
6. the woman ''rescues'' a combination of herself and her hero by giving physical birth to a new son

You can see steps 1-3 and steps 4-6 are even similar. In step 1 you have a world, in step 2 a woman and in step 3 a child. In step 4 you have a world of adventure, in step 5 a battle for a prized female and in step 6 a son.

Again, your 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 descriptions are very interesting.

originally posted by: Z77ZABCD
OK so taking notes from all your posts XXX777 thanks, and trying to figure the sequence out.

There are 6 theme TYPES, each type consisting of 6 ROUNDS, each round consisting of 40 WEEKS

… So 6 rounds of 40wks total = 240wks = one big count of a type
… there are 6 theme types which total = 1440wks = a complete wave cycle
… then start again

You say Week 29 begins 22nd June Sunday
Type3 (separation), round1 (creation), week29

1. World Creation
2. Great Mother
###3. Separation of the World Parents
4. Birth of the Hero
5. Slaying of the Dragon
6. Return of the Captive

Rounds
###1. Week 29 of 40wk Creation
2. 40wk Mother
3. 40wk Separation
4. 40wk Birth
5. 40wk Slaying
6. 40wk Return

www.timeanddate.com...

ok so, using a calculator above … have I got this sequence correct? *grin*

>>>12 weeks from now, The “gate transition point” would be Sunday, September 14, 2014 - from round Creation to round Return
>>>228wks from now, The “gate at the ending of long count” would be Sunday, November 4, 2018 - from type 3 Separation to type 2 Great Mother
>>>If so, just curious, what started you counting this present wave of 6 themes on Sunday, February 13, 2000, some 749wks ago? ... not clear on what starts a wave count.

Today is Tuesday, June 24, 2014, the day of St. John the Baptist. In my cycle count it is 3-3-29.

We are currently in Week 29, of Type 3, but NOT Round 1. We are in Round 3. This WEEK's date is 3-3-29, or arche(TYPE) 3 - ROUND 3 - WEEK 29.

Because we are in Round 3, the point at which the female is dividing herself, I am totally wondering if WEEK 30 will play some significant role next week. I am wondering if something will indicate a viable market. Something HAS to keep the momentum going. Many people are worried and thinking about market crashes. Something has to keep it going higher and higher until the turning point half way through Type 3.

My gate dates are Wednesdays. In my count, the gateway is Wednesday, September 10, 2014. In fact, I am looking at the entire week of Sunday, September 7 to Saturday September 13. That would be Type 3 - Round 3 - Week 40. If there is going to be a message sent out to let watchers know what is coming next, then that message is likely to be broadcast during Week 40. I think sometimes there are not messages every 40 weeks. Sometimes a new message is not needed, and market action simply continues in the same direction.

So, the week of 9-7-2014 to 9-13-2014 is Week 40. That is Type 3 - Round 3 - Week 40, or 3-3-40. Next comes 3-4-1. The week of 9-14 to 9-20 is Week 1 of Type 3 - Round 4, or 3-4-1. This 4th Round has characteristics of the 4th Type and is called Birth Of The Hero. At that point we will be in the 3rd Type (Separation of the World Parents) and the 4th Round (Birth of the Hero).

Blavatsky says that 3rd Types turn half way through. The half way point is not 3. It is 3 and a half. Get it? The system is a weekly system of 7 days. Half way is 3 and a half days. So I am looking for 3 rounds and a half round. That is 20 weeks into round 4.

We're operating under the THIRD TYPE, separation of female/male or duality and actual physical birth of the son.
We go round 1 for 40 weeks.
We go round 2 for 40 weeks.
We go round 3 for 40 weeks.
We go round 4 for 20 weeks.

''Half'' way through the third type is 140 weeks. Fourteen is half of a moon.

That 140th week is the 20th Week of the 4th Round, or the last week of January 2015. The ''pivot'' is Wednesday, January 28, 2015. That week is the final week of the bull rally. I have explained previously how I believe that the 12th week of the 4th Round may possibly be the week in which the Dow Jones Industrial Average prints its highest level before selling off and creating a topping pattern which would then resolve in the 20th week. If the cycle went from stock market peak to stock market trough 40 weeks at a time then the chart would look extremely quantized and everybody could see the pattern. The actually peaks and valleys do not occur in precise 40-week intervals. That would be too easy. The cycle hides itself.

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This parans thing is very new to me.

Are there any alignments of note next week (Sunday, June 29 to Saturday, July 5, 2014)? Next week is Week 30 (3-3-30).

How about Sunday, July 20 to Saturday, July 26, 2014? (Week 33, 3-3-33)

How about Sunday, September 7 to Saturday, September 13, 2014? (Week 40, 3-3-40)

How about Sunday, September 14 to Saturday, September 20? (Week 1, 3-4-1)

And Sunday, January 25 to Saturday, January 31? (that is Week 20, 3-4-20)

a reply to: XXX777

July 5, 2014: Mercury is in the midheavens with Alnilam (Communications is the theme)

July 20, 2014: Sun is setting as Alcyone is in the midheaven (Mother/Son is the theme)

July 26, 2014: Mars is setting as Siriusis in the midheavens (War or passion is the theme)

September 7, 2014: Sun is in the midheavens with Fomalhaut (Success, however dark activities)

September 13, 2014: Saturn is in the midheavens with Algol (Serious, dangerous issues)

Septermber 14, 2014: Saturn is rising with Regulus (Honor and Wealth, Bankers love this day)

September 20, 2014: Sun is rising as Alnilam is in the midheavens (Shock to the consciousness)

January 25, 2015: Nothing significant

January 31, 2015: Moon and Mars are in paran with Alnilam (Sense of abandonment, anger or distress)

These are projected parans, their meanings are "base" only, they can turn in new directions based on the conscious response. Now, what are the themes for the above dates?

Dear XXX777 Thank you for the more detailed description and effort in creating it.

"Again, your 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 descriptions are very interesting" … Sorry my friend, credit where credits due lol its actually your words. I was saying them back to check that i had the correct sequence. When I understand what youre saying, ill make some of my own conclusions. Thanks for sharing this information, its interesting. So it goes up the scale 1,2,3 insted of 3,2,1 then ok.

Argh! just as I was starting to get this, its slippery squid again lol. Ok so this is my updated version. Sorry for going over it again

The sequence is 3-3-29 onwards to 3-3-40 then the next one would be 3-4-1wk ~ got it.
3-3-40 is 7-13 sept … so 3-4-1 is 14-20 sept ~ great.

If its possible, please can we have a brief description of the symbolism of the 6 character types please?.

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So counting ahead to see if ive got this right :O)

You noticed the Elizabeth Smart event
June 5, 2002 and March 12, 2003 = 280days

So you started counting this grand count on Sunday, March 9, 2003 onwards
589wks ago
Counting Sunday to Saturday
… onwards
3-3-29 22-28 june - is Now
3-3-30 29-5 july
3-3-31 6-12 july
3-3-32 13-19 july
3-3-33 20-26 july
3-3-34 27-2 aug
3-3-35 3-9 aug
3-3-36 10-16 aug
3-3-37 17-23aug
3-3-38 24-30 aug
3-3-39 31-6 sept
3-3-40 7-13 sept - Marks transition point, from round to next round
3-4-1 14-20 sept
… onwards
6-6-40 20-26 Jan - Grand transition point, types reset
813 wks from now is Sunday, January 20, 2030
… so
1-1-1 27-2 feb 2030 is the first wk of a new Grand Cycle

...Thank you master obi wan kenobi *bow* respect

### more info

Blavatsky says that 3rd Types turn half way through so 7 = 3.5
7 day Week = Half way turn = Wednesday Noon
40wk Round = Half way turn = 20wk = 20/20
6x Rounds = Half way turn = 3 Rounds and Half = 140 wks = *-4-2 of any type
6x Type Themes = Half way turn = 3 Types and a half = 720+120 = 840wks = 4-1-20

Dear BLAQHAZE137 ... and all

The software in using is called "Astrolog32 version 2"

This is how ive set this program up. Can you help me to tune it into what your saying about “parans couples” and also include anything else you think may be important.

Setting up




You can use:
P keyboard = forward/stop animation
R = to reverse
In settings = to change how fast move through sec, mins, days, month ect and how many set of steps

In these examples ~ can you tell me if im getting this right please

Is this a parans happens between the Sun and Sirius on DES?


same day - on to IC


then on to ASC


and finally MC


OR on this date - is this a parans happening between the Sun and Alnilam

Hi everyone… BLAQHAZE137 thanks for this quest. This is what ive discovered so far and thought id share this for others.

Alnilam (Star in Orions belt) (Osiris)
Symbol: Find simple practical solutions to complex problems, steady, reliable plod, pull things together. Saturn is its Prime

Sirius (Dog star) (Isis)
Symbol: Sirius behaves more like Jupiter, gifting its natives with leadership ability, wealth, and honor, along with more Martian attributes such as energy and a temperament that is unruly, high-spirited, and willful.

Sun is (Horus)
Sunset is (Sett)

The are four angles in astrology that is called the "cross of matter” around the wheel

MC = Mid-heaven, Nadir = ABOVE CONSCIOUS = Where planets or stars are exactly on the Meridian Has to do with our goals. The MC is here to tell us what our professional and social goals are. This house can tell us what we strive for; what our position in the society is and how we are to realize our individuality in our public affairs. The MC is also about stating what our role models and idols are.

ASC = Ascendant = SUN RISE EAST = the horizon where planets and stars rise over the curve of the Earth for a particular location The Ascendant in the horoscope symbolizes our outward appearance and our language. Here we can find out how we are perceived by our surroundings. This aspect of the chart is, so to speak, a window or a door to our personality. The Ascendant is like a mask that we wear all the time. Very often we feel the need to identify with this mask and it is being accepted by others as part of our persona.

DES = Descendant = SUN “SETT” WEST = where stars and planets set along the curve of the Earth. Positioned face-to-face with the Ascendant in the astrology chart is the Descendant.While in the ascendant our ego is expressed, here we find all those properties and personal characteristics that we repress in ourselves, or maybe some of those that come alive only when we compare ourselves with others. It can be something we admire in other people, but it can also be a habit or a character feature we find annoying in others.

IC = Imum Coeli (Latin for "bottom of the sky") = BELOW UNCONSCIOUS = is under the Earth in opposition to the MC. The IC (heaven depth) in the horoscope is the place where we are rooted. Here we turn our attention looking for comfort and warmth of the nest. Here we want to feel secure. It is also the point that can provide information on our family relationships and general situation of our childhood. At the IC we see how well we can manage our homes in order to feel warm and comfortable.

From most powerful angle to least: MC, ASC, DC, IC

Quote Monk: “These four angles are hugely important to astrologers, they move constantly during the day in relation to the Earth spinning, and drift slowly around the Zodiac in relation to the exact measurement of a year, it works very like a calendar clock. As the procession of the stars appear to slowly move in relation to the Earth, it has long been a practice of elected astrology to align these stars to an angle, in regards to their wishes and rituals.”

Questions please BLAQHAZE137

So an astrologer is a “Key Master who can open doors “Gates” for ritual purposes, and not just natal charts, and personality stuff.... sounds more sexy now.

1. Does this mean astrology patterns, such as the "grand sextile" is a gate? A stargate? The grand sextile (July 29th 2013) created a rare formation pattern on the chart of a 6 pointed star shape (3D mekabah). We used it in ceremony to do planetary healing meditation, sending a message out, and it felt very much like a stargate energy wise during that time.

2. Do you use all of the fixed planets to find parans? Or just Alniam, Sirius ,Venus parans with the sun?

Quote "The key to understanding this knowledge is knowing that the angles are important... really important.
Planets act as trigger events, they all have to be filtered through the SUN."

3. Does this mean that ANY planet going into parans with the sun, its broadcasting its energy at that time?

4. What role does the 4 angles play please, you its something important to understand

(Also do you recon thats the origins of band AC-DC lol?)

MY EXAMPLE OF CEREMONIAL PRACTICE ~ USING THE POWERS OF THE PLANETS

Btw ~ my chosen path is druidry. I love jesus and his teachings, just not whats been done in his name. I also seek inspiration from other enlightened souls such as buddha, lady nada, quan yin, and alan watts.



At the moment im noticing from 24th june (to 28th nov where it finally spreads apart) that there is a period of time between then Alnilam first comes over the horizon followed by - Sun - Mercury - Sirius - then Jupiter … This gives a period of about 4hrs each day at sunrise (it increases to 12hrs as it spreads apart), good for some magical working. You could use Alnilam as a messenger to trumpet the arrival of the other attributes. This is how id work with it within druidry.

During a properly opened ceremony ~ just for this period 24thune to 28th nov:

We could ask Alnilam to help us find simple practical solutions to our complex problems, here we set a definite intent.

We then ask the Sun, who is youthful, brimming with ambitions to empower our intent with gifts of warmth, life, and light. We ask for help with patience and tempering our self importance, and in the process we are gifted with courage, noblity and generosity.

We ask Mercury, who has grown into adolescents, whos curiosity awakens as studies begin. To help us communicate freely. Help us to engage in any projects we may have. Reveal to us secrets, and blockages on the path. And help forge friendly relationships.

We then ask Sirius to help empower our intent with gifts of wealth and energy. We ask for its vibrant high-spirited energy to assist us and quicken the intent. As we ourselves commit to leadership with honor in our dealings, abundance and wealth are sure to follow.

We then ask Jupiter, who is middle aged now, to help us enjoy the harvest of our deeds. We ask that our abundance, good luck. good fortune assist not only ourselves, but the world in general. We then rest, and let the energies unfold, so mote it be for the good of all.

So in this example ive given, is this something like the watchers would do?

Source symbols www.astrotheme.com...

originally posted by: XXX777
The reversal date is January 28, 2015. The week of January 25 to January 31 will be the reversal week. This market top will most likely be caused by some sort of crisis. Markets can move up inexplicably with bulls following blindly, but they need shocking news to turn the crowd sentiment bearish.

You may be right on this one. This may be the TOP of the market. However, we won't see the full bottom for a while. Saturn is coming, Saturn is coming.

Saturn in Scorpio has been propping of the market.

December 23, 2014 Saturn enters Sagittarius for the first time. Let's expect something major to happen to cause a "change in direction" early in trading during the Jan 26 (Monday) to Jan. 30 (Friday) trading week, approx. 10AM +/- 10min (Uranus on the Asc) is most likely as 4PM +/- 10min (Uranus on the MC) is trading closed.

The week of Jan 26-30 Uranus squares Pluto w/ Saturn in Sagittarius. Saturn in Sagittarius corrects the mistakes. Traditionally the market crashes occurred late (over the 1/2 way mark) in the Saturn Sagittarius cycle. 1929 Saturn was late in Sagittarius, 26 degrees. 1987 Saturn was late too, 17 degrees.

I have been telling people that December 2014 to September 2015 the market will begin to fluctuate much more and not continue it's upward trend. Once we hit Sept. 2015 and Saturn is fully in Sagittarius expect a crash between Sept. 2015 into 2017.

XXX777, cycles are cycles. Humans create cycles (what you are talking about) and we are slaves to cycles (celestial events). They all mesh/resonate on some level, mainly because humans are beholden to the celestial events.