Tip Of The Iceberg--The Beginning Of The End For Britain? {Brit returns hometown 2 assess Muslim}

Originally posted by Hardstepah
oh and here is one for you. christians (much like your evil muslims) want to take away the rights of millions of people. abortion and gay marriage? hypocrisy is a big reason i do not adopt any religious beliefs.

take away religion for a day, and see how much better the world gets along. i'm done speaking with you and will not reply as i have realized i have been speaking to a hypocritical hateful wall. hopefully one day you won't look at others down your nose. nobody has the right religion, only the right religion for that individual. i mean hell, people once believed in greek "mythology" and the egyptians (looooong before christianity, go figure) had their own beliefs.

i wish i could be alive to see the day when we read about christian mythology in the history books and see what new form of mindwashing we have.

Alright lets sort some things out. Real christians do not want to take a individuals right to do as they will with their own body. We are supposed to let you exercise free will. Its your will to marry another man? Be my guest. You wanna get rid of that kid so you can party? Sure its not my choice. The extremist on both sides are causing the problems.A real christian is supposed to treat everyone the same. Its very hard to do that at times even if you are not religious its hard to respect your enemies. You are allowed to defend life though. I would like the Islamic world to do the same but its hard to find the few who will speak up for fear of being called apostates and so makes the entire group look bad.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Hardstepah

 

...I hate to break this to you, but you're every bit as wrong as the one you're castigating.

The whole of Christianity supports all those things you loathe? Sorry, so not true. ...and very little research is required to find that out.

Stereotyping a group is seldom, if ever, right.

INDEED.

INDEED TO THE MAX.

It is mystifying to me . . . I try hard to choose my words carefully hereon.

I am extremely rarely 100% all inclusive about much of anything.

Yet, folks ASSUME . . . even mods, evidently, that I AM 100% inclusive and that in a hateful way.

Sheesh. What is WITH that?

I don't even hate satan very often . . . nor even Hillary or Obama or the horrific satanist globalist oligarchy folks such as Soros or Kissinger . . .

I DO HATE HORRIFIC ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIORS AND HYPOCRISY.

That's different.

Also, it seems like many ATSers have a difficult TO IMPOSSIBLE time distinguishing between

writings, feelings, opinions, perspectives, writings, attitudes etc.

and

PERSONHOOD.

Sigh.

Such can make trying to have a dialogue about passionately held perspectives extremely difficult. Particularly when one is in the minority so routinely on ATS. LOL.

Anyway--thanks for your reality check. Much appreciated.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Hardstepah

 

...I hate to break this to you, but you're every bit as wrong as the one you're castigating.

The whole of Christianity supports all those things you loathe? Sorry, so not true. ...and very little research is required to find that out.

Stereotyping a group is seldom, if ever, right.

seagull i think you aren't catching my drift. i guess i should have added a "*sarcasm*" in there somewhere as i am now realizing it is hard to read the context when it is typed out. the point i'm making is it is weak minded to judge a whole by the actions of a group. i do not think all christians act that way. some of my best friends are christian. some punjab, some muslim. i am basically agreeing with you

reply to post by seagull



You sound like

I personally have scheduled ARMAGEDDON.

I may believe fiercely in ALMIGHTY GOD and His Word and doings.

I'm NOT His scheduler.

You sound like I'm looking forward to Armageddon. I'm not.

I hate violence and/or bloodshed.

My step-dad had to order me to fight to even stand up for myself against bullies in Jr High school.

I hate even killing chickens for food.

I AM looking forward to the UTTER PEACE after ARMAGEDDON.

And, I KNOW that God does all things well and is exceedingly merciful.

You seem to come from the perspective that there is

NO OBJECTIVE RIGHT OR WRONG. That each person defines right or wrong for themselves.

[color=33CCFF]Based on that cosmology--I may as well shoot you as feed you or give you roses.
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[color=33CCFF]NOTHING, THEN, MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE

if man is nothing more than a rat, a pigeon, a radish or a rock. . . . to paraphrase globalist BF Skinner in BEYOND FREEDOM AND DIGNITY.

Pretending that all values are equal does NOT match what I observe in reality.

It certainly does not match my cosmology nor my reading of Scripture.

Time will definitely tell who has bet on the 'winning horse.'

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Originally posted by yuppa

Originally posted by Hardstepah
Alright lets sort some things out. Real christians do not want to take a individuals right to do as they will with their own body. We are supposed to let you exercise free will. Its your will to marry another man? Be my guest. You wanna get rid of that kid so you can party? Sure its not my choice. The extremist on both sides are causing the problems.A real christian is supposed to treat everyone the same. Its very hard to do that at times even if you are not religious its hard to respect your enemies. You are allowed to defend life though. I would like the Islamic world to do the same but its hard to find the few who will speak up for fear of being called apostates and so makes the entire group look bad.

again. i should have added a sarcasm in there. i completely agree with you. the part where i am yelling hypocrisy is exactly where you said "A real christian is supposed to treat everyone the same." the extremists on my campus do not act. it is hateful the things they say. hypocrisy is where judgement is reserved for god himself yet these people are saying i should burn in hell because i don't care if a man or woman loves another so much they want to commit themselves for life with the same ceremony everybody else gets.

i wish we could all live side by side and end this "my belief is more correct than yours". you practice what you want i won't trash you for it, just don't cry witch when i don't fall in line with your belief

edit on 31-3-2012 by Hardstepah because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Hardstepah

Amen to that brother. I wish we coudld all get along too. Its a shame that they have so little faith in their faith that they cannot do as they are supposed to do.Sometimes the hardest criticism to take if from others.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Hardstepah

 

Stereotyping a group is seldom, if ever, right.

I'm typically hereon, accused of stereotyping "all" Muslims.

I am pretty careful to word things differently though I understand that most hereon do not distinguish my subtleties on such scores. Interestingly.

It still seems to be difficult to impossible for a huge chunk of ATSers to

1. give proper respect to HISTORICAL FACTS about a huge percentage of Muslim behaviors.
2. give proper respect to fiercely propounded, propagandized, heralded . . . pontifications by countless Imams about how violent jihad IS THE ONLY CHOICE FOR ALL MUSLIMS . . . AND . . .

3. the vast numbers of muslims who cheer such pontifications on; donate money to such leaders; etc. etc. etc.

4. I've cited reasonably done statistical surveys which characterize support in a variety of Muslim countries for violent jihad as ranging between 5-70% A more common figure is 20%.

5.
[color=CC9900]WHEN are these apologists
[color=CC9900]going to DEAL RATIONALLY
[color=CC9900]WITH THE FACT THAT
[color=CC9900]200 MILLION MUSLIMS
[color=CC9900]SUPPORT VIOLENT JIHAD?

6.
[color=CC9900]WHEN are y'all going to quit calling
[color=CC9900]200 MILLION
[color=CC9900]FIERCELY STRIDENTLY TO VIOLENTLY ANGRY
[color=CC9900]MUSLIMS
[color=CC9900]A "TINY MINORITY"?

[color=FF0000]WHEN?

Imho, it is MUCH MORE ABJECTLY ABSURD

to pretend that those Muslims who support to one degree or another, in some significant way or another violent jihad

are the tiniest of minorities

than it is to suggest that HISTORY HAS SHOWN

that when it comes down to it . . . when push comes to shove

WHEN the percentage of Muslims in a geographic area have reached a sufficiently powerful majority--

THE SOCIAL INTIMIDATION INTENSIFIES
followed by
POLITICAL INTIMIDATION
followed by
POLITICAL DEMANDS
followed by
WHOLESALE AUTHORITARIAN DEMANDS AND THE NONBELIEVER'S TAX
followed by
DEMANDS for conversion or consequences of death.

Sure you can find exceptions to the above sequence. Nevertheless, in area after area for many hundreds of years, that has been the pattern--EVEN MUSLIM AGAINST MUSLIM between different factions.

Sigh.
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I don't get this thread/OP.

Is the purpose to have a real discussion on a web forum with an exchange of ideas from varied perspectives or is it to proselytize and lecture us on the eeee-viles of Islam?

It's getting old.

reply to post by KillerQueen



Evidently you did not read the following post above . . . or perhaps some of my language was toooo obscure.

[color=99CCFF]THE MAIN REASONS
[color=99CCFF]I POST MY PERSPECTIVE
[color=99CCFF]are THAT AFTER YEARS AND YEARS
[color=99CCFF]OF SEEING IT, chronically, routinely TRASHED
[color=99CCFF]and grossly under-represented
[color=99CCFF]I had ENOUGH.

[color=99CCFF]SOMEONE needed to stand up
[color=99CCFF]and be counted in behalf
[color=99CCFF]of the perspective that several million
[color=99CCFF]conservative, Pentecostal & other Christians hold

[color=99CCFF]I'd have preferred others bother, frankly
[color=99CCFF]However, my lot is that of a watchman.
[color=99CCFF]The major role of that is to alert and warn
[color=99CCFF]Christians first but all souls, really

[color=99CCFF]SO--A) to try and insure it's represented more
[color=99CCFF]and B) to warn folks per my role as a watchman

[color=99CCFF]Folks offended or bored by by such threads
[color=99CCFF]are welcome to use the scroll or page down buttons
[color=99CCFF]or select other authors' threads


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PERHAPS and only perhaps

it would be good to post my motives for the video and similar threads:

1. I think PC--Political Correctness has shredded the truth about values in our era.

2. I think the globalist Marxist Stream Media have distorted wholesale the facts and truths about Islam as well as about Christianity.

3. I think that the Muslims marching in the video speak for a much larger percentage of Islam than the average uninformed person is remotely willing to face, admit, deal with.

4. My conservative Christian perspective on reality
appears to be
[color=99CCFF]WHOLESALE TRASHED 70-90% of the time on ATS
and elsewhere. Few feel like bothering with the harsh and often personally assaultive machine-gun-row to speak up in behalf of our conservative Christian perspective. I'm dogged enough, or something enough to keep at it.

5. However, if, as recently appears MAY be the case, that it is no longer possible to talk serously and vigorously with passion about the horrors if a huge chunk of Islam--
it's ABSOLUTE WORLD CONQUEST GOALS
and its founding documents without being labeled "a hate monger," then so be it. The truth will be less represented and IGNORANCE will be MORE represented.

6. It's ENORMOUSLY PARADOXICAL to an absurd degree . . . that on a thread began with the video of Muslims fiercely and literally and OBVIOUSLY "hate mongering" . . . the only perspective that gets slapped down is the one crying--WAIT-A-MINUTE! Who's cultural foundation is/was in that country?

7. I have no doubt that in the shorter term--3.5-12 or 15 years or so . . . the Marxist globalist engineered rise of activist Islam in ways designed to shred Christianity and then Islam . . . WILL be the case . . . even at some point, likely, the law of the world.

8. Perhaps then folks will be quite proud of how well they served as apologists for the marchers in the beginning video. BTW, I didn't know it was a part of a larger video or I'd have posted the larger video. Sheesh. Evidently folks hereon get most of their exercise jumping to conclusions.

9. Blaming authentic Christianity on the satanic Marxist globalist ditortions, manipulations, corruptions of POSSIBLY originally 'Christian' institutions and forces is far worse than construing the majority of Islam to be hell-bent on bloody world conquest because:

A) Islam states such as its goals very forcefully, fiercely, harshly throughout its founding documents. Islam was founded on bloody conquest and has mostly manifested that throughout it's history. That's not hate-mongering, it's merely historical FACT.

B) Globalists manipulating corrupt perversions of Christian groups, values and principles while absurdly pretending to be Christian . . . all in the name of establishing more and more fully and more and more broadly and more and more tyrannically a satanic world government is merely FACT. Blaming authentic Christians or authentic Christianity on THAT is idiotic and absurd to the extreme.

10. Individuals can be well meaning and ignorant. They can be well meaning and inaccurately informed.

11. Individuals can also be in fairly tenacious rebellion against God to their own current and eternal hurt. It would be easy to ignore their hazard and walk on by on the other side of the street--except that I'm not made that way.
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reply to post by BO XIAN


Unfortunately I see your posts as the ravings of a prejudiced soul. I love Christ but his people often scare me. You see, if one removes the words Islam or Muslim throughout this thread and replace it with any other religion or race then one can clearly decipher the true intent of your words.

Somehow, I don't think Jesus would approve of your take on things. :down:

reply to post by KillerQueen



Thankfully, The Lord Jesus has a much better, more thorough, more accurate view of my soul.

However, you are welcome to your harsh personal prejudices about me.

Over my 65 years . . . it has usually been my lot to say uncomfortable things to folks. . .

my brief has persistently been to

afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.

Originally posted by Hardstepah

and what does this matter so much to you anyway? sounds like a problem for those living in the UK. i'll worry about it IF (big if) it ever happens here in the states.

lol@religious extremists ignorance

Holy crap! Are you forgetting 9/11? Or are you saying that because these terrorists didn't actually live in the U.S. that it somehow doesn't count? And, here's the BIG point: Did you hear of any muslim nation hunting down Bin Laden for his crimes against humanity? Hell, no! Pakistan actually protected him! After all, why should muslims care that he killed thousands of people; these victims weren't muslims - they were infidels.

THAT is the mindset of the common non-violent muslim. And if we don't do anything to push them back into the Middle East they will destroy the rest of the free world.

Originally posted by BO XIAN

5. However, if, as recently appears MAY be the case, that it is no longer possible to talk serously and vigorously with passion about the horrors if a huge chunk of Islam--
it's ABSOLUTE WORLD CONQUEST GOALS
and its founding documents without being labeled "a hate monger," then so be it. The truth will be less represented and IGNORANCE will be MORE represented.

And that's how atheists feel about all religions. One way or another they're all poison, but if we get passionate about the ridiculousness of religions, we're evil.

If christianity had its way there would be no use of condoms in Africa to stop the spread of AIDS.

So, let's all sing the peace-loving song that all good christians adore:
La la la, Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!

listen to this Cat

Originally posted by KillerQueen
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

Unfortunately I see your posts as the ravings of a prejudiced soul. I love Christ but his people often scare me. You see, if one removes the words Islam or Muslim throughout this thread and replace it with any other religion or race then one can clearly decipher the true intent of your words.

Somehow, I don't think Jesus would approve of your take on things. :down:

edit on 31-3-2012 by KillerQueen because: (no reason given)

The true intent is to remove a dangerous belief system from our neighborhoods, and indeed, our countries. How can that be wrong? When you move to another country it is up to YOU to learn their ways, not up to the country to learn YOUR ways. This has nothing to do with prejudice. If I have white-trash drug dealers in my neighborhood I want them gone. If I have people parading down my street screaming for the police to burn in hell, I want them gone.

reply to post by christina-66

Grow up Islam ......you are where Christianity was at 600 years ago.

No, make that about 2,000 years ago.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by BO XIAN

And that's how atheists feel about all religions. One way or another they're all poison, but if we get passionate about the ridiculousness of religions, we're evil.

If christianity had its way there would be no use of condoms in Africa to stop the spread of AIDS.

So, let's all sing the peace-loving song that all good christians adore:
La la la, Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!

edit on 4/1/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)

Actually the song is not a call to war against anyone but satan. Now AS to war means acting like they are marching to war. The FOE is once again Satan. Its not to be taken literally unless the antichrist is on earth and we are marching for armageddon. Now as far as the condoms issue it should be down to free will once again. We are not supposed to force anything on anyone. If they want to have sex we are supposed to let them and not judge either.

reply to post by jiggerj



No.

Roman Catholocism is against condoms in Africa.

I believe there are authentic Christians within the RC church. Many Protestants do not believe even that.

Blackwashing 100% of any group in all respects all the time is likely to be at least greatly flawed.

You also seem to be leaving out that the literally satanic globalist oligarchy is behind

[color=99FF33]USING--MERCILESSLY, RUTHLESSLY USING
[color=99FF33]ALL ENDS
[color=99FF33]AGAINST THE MIDDLE

They seem to be using Islam to help destroy all other religions.

Yet, they know that Islam will NOT easily change from worshiping their demonic moon god to worshiping satan. So certainly they have scheduled the utter destruction of Islam.

That MAY be PARTLY what the Iran set-up is about.

I cannot recall ANY other time in all recorded history when a ruling elite deliberately destroyed their own nation and culture. They are rapidly working to do just that.

Their arrogance is unparalleled.

Thankfully, the universal law still applies . . .

"Pride goes before a fall."

And great will be their fall.

Sadly, not before a huge amount of bloodletting.
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reply to post by spacedoubt



He's happy to make money for himself and Islam off of that song, still.

I wonder if he'd write that song now, after his conversion to Islam.

I don't know of many Imam's--if any--that convincingly believe in any such peace train.

Mohammed didn't think much of any "peace train."

[color=99FF33]HE DEFINED PEACE
[color=99FF33]AS
[color=99FF33]ALL PEOPLE ARE MUSLIMS
[color=99FF33]NO INFIDELS LEFT ALIVE

[color=99FF33]THAT must be Cat Stevens
[color=99FF33]CURRENT DEFINITION
[color=99FF33]OF PEACE.

[color=99FF33]THAT DEFINITION
[color=99FF33]IS STILL IN THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS
[color=99FF33]AND HAS NOT BEEN significantly REPUDIATED, if at all
[color=99FF33]BY THE MODERATE, more 'apostate' MUSLIMS.

They MAY explain it away to some extent.
Even THAT is asserted in the founding documents
to be quite kosher in behalf of Islam's conquest of infidels and the world.
Muslims are ENCOURAGED, instructed to distort reality
even lie about reality if it will further Islam's conquest of infidels and the world.
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reply to post by jiggerj

The true intent is to remove a dangerous belief system from our neighborhoods, and indeed, our countries. How can that be wrong? When you move to another country it is up to YOU to learn their ways, not up to the country to learn YOUR ways. This has nothing to do with prejudice. If I have white-trash drug dealers in my neighborhood I want them gone. If I have people parading down my street screaming for the police to burn in hell, I want them gone.

WELL PUT.

It was my job and delight to conform as much as I ethically could to Chinese culture etc.

And . . . to assist my students there in becoming the best CHINESE they could be instead of becoming Americans in China. Sheesh.