Melted Fuel in Reactor 2. Suppression Chamber Destroyed. -- 'Fukushima City Needs to be Evacuated'

Originally posted by crazydaisy
Is this not already a worse case scenario?
If not, then how much worse could it get?

Oh, please don't ask
There are much worse Scenarios!

As long as the molten Fuel is inside of the containment
as long the Situation is relative stable!

This amounts of 74 Sievert/h is in fact Peanuts,
they just stopped (for the Press) to go deeper
and closer to the Corium!

Originally posted by crazydaisy
Why have they said nothing about evacuations?
I know, a lot of questions. I feel so bad for the
people in the middle of this disaster. They
are probably being told less than we are.

The young People of F'Shima-Ku (City)
need to go, there is no way to stand in that Town,
for Children this City is out of Discussion- they must go!

They observe the Situation much more than all of you
and they found different Ways to handle this Disaster,
one Fact is that nearly no one in Japan is living on a Ground
(only the Farmers do)
the majority is living in Houses with Air-Filter- and Conditioning,
many People change Clothes when they arrive
and that we do not wear Boots at Home is well known!

Ca. 75-80% of the Towns are sealed, there is no Soil anymore,
just Asphalt, Concrete and Stones,
there is the possibility to move the Radiation from there to the Sewage

I brought a post I made there about the corium at the bottom of #2:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Human0815



As long as the molten Fuel is inside of the containment
as long the Situation is relative stable!

This amounts of 74 Sievert/h is in fact Peanuts,
they just stopped (for the Press) to go deeper
and closer to the Corium!

ummm less than 10 minutes of exposure guarantees you death within 2 weeks.....far from peanuts.....

Dose Chart 1

Dose Chart 2

Dose Chart 3

Dose Chart 4

none of these list 1-80 sv/hr as being peanuts

74 sv/hr is 1.23 sv/min

1 sv = ~10% chance of death, infection/complications

radiation sucks

also there is nothing molten anymore if the water is at 50ºC

Originally posted by Human0815

Originally posted by crazydaisy
Is this not already a worse case scenario?
If not, then how much worse could it get?

Oh, please don't ask

There are much worse Scenarios!

As long as the molten Fuel is inside of the containment
as long the Situation is relative stable!

This amounts of 74 Sievert/h is in fact Peanuts,
they just stopped (for the Press) to go deeper
and closer to the Corium!

Originally posted by crazydaisy
Why have they said nothing about evacuations?
I know, a lot of questions. I feel so bad for the
people in the middle of this disaster. They
are probably being told less than we are.

The young People of F'Shima-Ku (City)
need to go, there is no way to stand in that Town,
for Children this City is out of Discussion- they must go!

They observe the Situation much more than all of you
and they found different Ways to handle this Disaster,
one Fact is that nearly no one in Japan is living on a Ground
(only the Farmers do)
the majority is living in Houses with Air-Filter- and Conditioning,
many People change Clothes when they arrive
and that we do not wear Boots at Home is well known!

Ca. 75-80% of the Towns are sealed, there is no Soil anymore,
just Asphalt, Concrete and Stones,
there is the possibility to move the Radiation from there to the Sewage

Why have I seen you downplay this disaster more often than not?
You do know that denial is bad do you?

reply to post by Juanxlink


I agree, I get the feeling that this Human0815 is in fact a TEPCO employee or probably even a Director/Major Shareholder.
Not once has this person admitted that the situation as put forward by TEPCO is worse than they are presenting to the rest of the world! Everything this person says should be questioned and taken with a pinch of salt!

I cant believe people still live in the vicinity of this disaster. I would have packed my family up and moved thrm the day it happened. Even if you have no roof over your head I would set up a tent and live in the till we found another home.

Rather live in a tent than in a highly radioactive house!

reply to post by Majestyka


Maybe you misunderstand me,
i tried to say that the 74 Sievert is
"Peanuts to the amount of Radiation we will get when we face the Core directly"!

74 Sievert is, of course, deadly and even Robots
cant work with this Dosage!

The water Temperature can be 50 Celsius because in Theory the Corium
must be sealed by the outer solidify Layers, like we can see in Lava!

I am not native in English, so it may sounds strange for you,
i need to apology for this misunderstanding!

I do not work for Tepco, the Government or the nuclear Complex!

Originally posted by MamaJ
My question is... WHY would anyone want to live there knowing what is going on and will go on.

I just don't get it! lol

Possibly linked to guilt and trauma at having survived such a traumatic event. Added to weariness with the whole thing - all the aftershocks, the fear they will get every time they see a large wave at sea, etc, etc.

We are resilient creatures but at the same time the brain is a funny thing. I would wager we all know of individuals in our lives who have basically given up, whether that is elderly relatives with illnesses or whatever. Once the fight goes, the will goes too.

Originally posted by TheMindWar
I cant believe people still live in the vicinity of this disaster. I would have packed my family up and moved thrm the day it happened. Even if you have no roof over your head I would set up a tent and live in the till we found another home.

Rather live in a tent than in a highly radioactive house!

Oh, ca. 25-35% done this when you watch the Numbers,
also many Schools have lost 40% of their Students,
as closer you come to the Evacuation Zone as more People left!

Old People (above 50) do not need to leave the Zone outside of the Evacuation Zone
but the younger one should move until they find a Space under 0.55uSv/h
for the People above 40 Years,
0.35uSv/h for the People under 30 Years,
0.25uSv/h under 20 Years and the younger Ones should not face any artificial Radiation!

The whole are has been evacuated. Here is the problem. The Russians did not have a clue what to do when Chernobyl blew. They smartly had their spies listen to all the western countries and made an action plan.

Japan has not done half of what the Russians did to contain the situation and Japan will suffer greatly now. Not to mention the rest of the world as poison seeps into the Pacific.

The Russians tunneled under and reinforced the bottom of the reactor to keep the water supply to many cities from being permanently poisoned.

The Russians also had the army put down any and all cattle and animals that could roam outside the containment zone. Cows and pets are still roaming around in Fuka. The Russians also made a massive clean up effort to remove the top soil and washed down any buildings left.

This is all why you can safely roam around the outskirts of Chernobyl now. I would not, but scientist do and also enter the place for testing. Not to mention many brave Russian and Ukrainian scientist sat in the plant for years with no protection taking readings just because they knew someone had to do it and they were to die eventually.

reply to post by Human0815


Thank you for answering my questions.
Much peace and well being to you.

Originally posted by MamaJ
My question is... WHY would anyone want to live there knowing what is going on and will go on.

I just don't get it! lol

Same reason why people returned to the Zone around Chernobyl. It's their home, they didn't want to abandon it, so they returned, a lot of them died over the years because of all the radiation, they eat the animals and vegetables from there which are contaminated. They don't care, they rather die there then live somewhere else.
Same applies to Fukushima.

Maybe ATS should to panflit drops to the people of Fukushima City directing them to the many SHTF survival threads.

I can fix this!

*gets a quick fix guide to nuclear meltdown*

Ah! There we go page 11, fill it with concrete and pour molten lead all over it!

Jobs a gooden'

Why the hell are people still living around Fukushima??? Knowing that people live there now blows my mind... Cant they seal up the reactor with a cement barrier, similar to what they did in chernobyl?? Instead of trying to fix it, why dont they cut their losses, block it up and avoid that area forever....

reply to post by kdog1982

Originally posted by kdog1982
If you think thats scary,you should read this mega thread thats been going since day 1,all 1237 pages of it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wow. It's still active. It would be much better here with 1 good active thread rather then thousands of everyday's junk.
Is there an option to see older active threads?

Originally posted by Human0815

Originally posted by TheMindWar
I cant believe people still live in the vicinity of this disaster. I would have packed my family up and moved thrm the day it happened. Even if you have no roof over your head I would set up a tent and live in the till we found another home.

Rather live in a tent than in a highly radioactive house!

Oh, ca. 25-35% done this when you watch the Numbers,
also many Schools have lost 40% of their Students,
as closer you come to the Evacuation Zone as more People left!

Old People (above 50) do not need to leave the Zone outside of the Evacuation Zone
but the younger one should move until they find a Space under 0.55uSv/h
for the People above 40 Years,
0.35uSv/h for the People under 30 Years,
0.25uSv/h under 20 Years and the younger Ones should not face any artificial Radiation!

edit on 29-3-2012 by Human0815 because: above/ under confusion!

You know something ? I am dumb. But I know this - I should move out of Japan on day 1 it happened, no matter how big or small the radiation.

If its controlled, then stop everything, fix the stuff and dismantled the plant.
If its uncontrolled, get control and dismantle it.
All else fail, use the page 11 and do what the Russians do, live elsewhere.

1 year and the plant is still not dismantled, you guys really want that much to die ?
Earthquake, tsunami - you rebuild and live.
Radiation - you rebui...die.

Air conditioner, new shirt, concrete will not help at all.

I love Japanese, so, run away 300km radius.

Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by kdog1982
If you think thats scary,you should read this mega thread thats been going since day 1,all 1237 pages of it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The monster thread is the most concise compilation of the ongoing disaster in Japan. I posted in that thread for hundreds of pages, until I had to take a mental health break from it. I still read daily. Some of the best, and most dedicated researchers on ATS are the backbone of that thread. God/Goddess Bless them all....

Des

Greetings:

And in case anyone is interested whether or not we have been irradiated in the good 'ole USA, America's Being Nuked - Can We Together Stop the Madness Before It's Too Late? might be an interesting read, as are many of our signature links to other ATS threads.

Recently returned from the tornado front lines and way behind the present curve, we also salute the stalwarts who have stayed the course on the mega-thread. We're catching up and soon will publish our one-year Fukushima disaster/fiasco recap, rumored to be quite an eye-opener.

We thank everyone who has participated and look forward to an end to this [Color=Red]24/7/365 radiation nightmare continuing to affect our Fragile Planet Earth, [color=Cyan]the only home we have.

To that end, we have taken a pro-active stance: [color=Chartreuse]EARTH AID

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reply to post by PapagiorgioCZ


Do like I did...either post in it, or subscribe to it. You will get all new posts added to it. Something very important on the research and current status is posted in the monster/mega thread every single day.

Des