Israel to bar UN fact-finding team from entering

reply to post by DerekJR321


Reasoning with Xcathdra is like trying to bail out the Pacific Ocean with a bucket.

You should see the exchange I have going with him in the "U.S. Marine faces boot for anti-Obama Facebook" thread. Link: U.S. Marine faces boot for anti-Obama Facebook

I've literally copied and pasted portions of the Constitution verbatim and Xcathdra is still maintaining that there is nothing in the Constitution which forbids Americans being detained in concentration camps without trial.

No exaggeration or hyperbole. The guy actually came out and said that there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about the NDAA and that in Xcathdra-ville the human resources practices of the U.S. Marine Corp trump Articles I and II of the Constitutions, the entire Bill of Rights and Amendment XIV to boot.

However his inherent lack of critical thinking skills made a lot more sense to me when he told me he was a cop. At first I didn't believe him, but after a while he sorta convinced me that he is actually willfully ignorant and hypocritical enough to truly be one.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
It's not 'quite silly', it's a variation of the special pleading fallacy. I'm off to bed, nice chat.

What you'll never see in the MSM.

Goodnight Sir.

Props on the incorporation of the logical fallacies. It's refreshing to see. Although I would wager we still probably disagree on certain facets of politics and religion, I commend the improved skill in debate.

I just thought you deserved recognition for the hard work.

Originally posted by marinesniper0317
reply to post by Arrowmancer

 

I agree with your assessment because it is not just a passionate "I HATE Israel" reply like most do on this site. I am Muslim and an American/Iranian, but Israel is the worlds and the ATS forum's whipping boy, actually add the US to that as well.

So many anti-American's and anti-Israeli's on this forum, its almost as though you will support anything regardless of what it is just as long as it is negative to the US or Israel...

Sniper...

A muslim who snipes muslims in illegal wars of plunder plus spouts continous anti-muslim propaganda for the western elite's profit margin.

Seems legit..

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
It's not 'quite silly', it's a variation of the special pleading fallacy. I'm off to bed, nice chat.

What you'll never see in the MSM.

Goodnight Sir.

Wait, let's get this clear. Are you accepting YOUR use of the special pleading fallacy to confuse the readership and effectively defend your agenda?

(from an Israel-friendly site no less)
www.nizkor.org...

Description of Special Pleading:

"Special Pleading is a fallacy in which a person applies standards, principles, rules, etc. to others while taking herself (or those she has a special interest in) to be exempt, without providing adequate justification for the exemption. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

Person A accepts standard(s) S and applies them to others in circumtance(s) C.
Person A is in circumstance(s) C.
Therefore A is exempt from S.
The person committing Special Pleading is claiming that he is exempt from certain principles or standards yet he provides no good reason for his exemption. That this sort of reasoning is fallacious is shown by the following extreme example:

Barbara accepts that all murderers should be punished for their crimes.
Although she murdered Bill, Barbara claims she is an exception because she really would not like going to prison.
Therefore, the standard of punishing murderers should not be applied to her.
This is obviously a blatant case of special pleading. Since no one likes going to prison, this cannot justify the claim that Barbara alone should be exempt from punishment."

Is this a surprise to any one?

The U.N isnt exactly out to help Israel. If i were Israel , i would cut ties to the United Nations as much as possible. They seem to be helping Israeli enemies more than they help Israel.

Also , my personal opinion is Israel should also start cutting a reliance on America. With Obama in office , Israel has to big of an if on the United States of America.

Obama will most likely take the cowardly way out Iran gave him. "If Israel attacks Iran , then the U.S has no fear of retaliation".

I mean what the hell. They have splinter cells all over America. It doesn't make it any less of reality that they are here in the United States and capable of killing thousands.

The longer you wait, the more intel they have , the more deadlier attacks that build and the more they get over here.

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Israel is doing the right thing. Cutting ties with the U.N and making the relationship minimum. They are being more of a threat than they are a help to Israel.

Originally posted by DerekJR321
Umm.. seriously you must have a VERY selective memory.

Iraq
Libya
Syria
Iran

Shall I continue to go on? I guess because Israel didn't sign the NNPT they are exempt from everything right?

Not at all and the question stands... As far as the NPT comment you are correct. Just as nations who are not signatories to the ICC are not subject to the court. This is not a hard concept to understand and yet for some reason people dont get it.

Originally posted by DerekJR321
But are you aware that the United States is breaking the Symington Amendment by giving a single dime to Israel? Under the NNPT we SHOULD be helping Iran and should NOT be helping Israel. Yet its the other way around. Hmm.. curious.

Actually you would be wrong. The Symngton amendment was passed in the late 60's and specifically dealt with nations who - source

The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment (Section 669 of the FAA) in 1976. It banned U.S. economic, and military assistance, and export credits to countries that deliver or receive, acquire or transfer nuclear enrichment technology when they do not comply with IAEA regulations and inspections. This provision, as amended, is now contained in Section 101 of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA).

The Glenn Amendment (Section 670) was later adopted in 1977, and provided the same sanctions against countries that acquire or transfer nuclear reprocessing technology or explode or transfer a nuclear device. This provision, as amended, is now contained in Section 102 of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA).

Feel free to read the information in the link, which refer4ences both amendments, and explain how it applies in this case. If you spent time reading it you would see that Israel is not in violation of it. However, Iran is due to their enrichment program and the transfer of technology in that area between Iran and North Korea / Pakistan.

Originally posted by DerekJR321
But lemme guess. This is completely OK because poor Israel HAS to defend itself right? Holocausts and Anti-Semites and Nazi's oh my.

Actually its ok based on the legislation and not because of your argument here which is based on something the amendment does not say.

Originally posted by DerekJR321
Please show me what foreign intelligence says Iran has a nuclear weapons program? And if you quote the Mossad or anything related to Israel I will laugh you out of this discussion. All 16 of the United States intelligence programs have stated Iran is NOT after a nuclear weapon and DOES NOT have a nuclear weapons program. The IAEA has also stated the same. So go ahead and prove it.

Fair enough... Using your logic and rules show me Intel sources that states Israel has nuclear weapons. If it comes from Arab sources blah blah blah same standard you applied to Israeli intelligence. Again, if you spent more time reading and less time making stuff up you would see that the West has never stated Iran has a nuclear weapon or active nuclear weapons program. The issue has been and still does revolve around Irans ability to make one. This is why the enrichment process Iran has is front and center in the entire issue, including the UN Resolutions passed on Iran, which specifically call for Iran to stop enrichment activities.

The IAEA's goal on Iran is verification and confirmation. It has always been that and still is .

You really need to spend more time reading and less time quoting / citing examples that in the end dont support your argument.

TO come back to topic Israel is not required to allow in a UN fact finding mission based on Human Rights violations. Syria has stated the same, yet I notice you only are complaining about Israeli actions...

reply to post by milominderbinder


Thanks for posting this... In the other thread you stated about 15 different explanations to your argument and this post here is number 16.

You just got done arguing in that thread there was no constitutional violation - YOUR words.

Now there is a constitutional violation....

Based on your ability, or lack of, to make a coherent argument based on facts I really dont think you are going to be helping anyones cause in this thread. Which is apparent by your post, which contradicts your other posts. As I stated, you have your ass handed to you in the other thread, you refuse to answer questions that a high school student could answer about the law and constitution, and yet here you are, in a different thread on a different tactic launching personal attacks. As I stated desperation on your part where you attack the person because you cant support your argument.

How about you post something in this thread that is, you know, on topic ( a term you need to learn). Your inability to read the Constitution apparently ranks up there with your inability to read the T and C for this site.

Do you think Israel should be forced to accept UN inspectors to investigate human rights violations? Do you think Syria should be forced to accept UN inspectors to investigate human rights violations?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Based on your ability, or lack of, to make a coherent argument based on facts I really dont think you are going to be helping anyones cause in this thread. Which is apparent by your post, which contradicts your other posts. As I stated, you have your ass handed to you in the other thread, you refuse to answer questions that a high school student could answer about the law and constitution, and yet here you are, in a different thread on a different tactic launching personal attacks. As I stated desperation on your part where you attack the person because you cant support your argument.

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Get off your high-horse Xcathdra. Many people in many threads have REPEATEDLY noted your propensity for circular logic, willful ignorance, and blatantly disregarding what you do not agree with.

How about you post something in this thread that is, you know, on topic ( a term you need to learn). Your inability to read the Constitution apparently ranks up there with your inability to read the T and C for this site.

Ever notice that anytime someone calls you out on how blatantly and demonstrably INCORRECT you are about documented, factual data that you start screaming "off-topic! off-topic!" with stunning predictability? Meanwhile just a couple posts above IN THIS VERY THREAD you are dragging the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty into a discussion about the Israeli's denying access to the UN's Human Rights inspectors. It's only different when you look foolish, right?

Do you think Israel should be forced to accept UN inspectors to investigate human rights violations? Do you think Syria should be forced to accept UN inspectors to investigate human rights violations?

For the hundredth time...I DON'T CARE IF ANYBODY has inspectors go into their country or not. I don't care if the Syrians are roasting babies alive and the Israeli's are eating them while being sodomized by nuke-wielding Iranians. My opinion is that they are not our people, they are not our countries...and they are not our problem.

That being said...why don't you just answer the question I keep asking you? What's YOUR opinion given that you think the US should invade Iran for the twin-sins of failing to allow inspectors in and having an abysmal human rights record? In your opinion, should we bomb and invade Israel too???


You know I'm either going to force you to change your stance on Iran to be congruent with your logic in this Israeli situation or just come right out and admit hypocrisy by giving Israel a special "pass" while still advocating that we bomb and invade Iran.

You might as well just pick one and get it over with. Sometimes it's just better to "rip the bandage off", so to speak.

reply to post by milominderbinder


meh nvm... It just dawned on me who you are.... You fail to hide your Idiosyncrasies, which is what exposed your other accounts that have been banned BiB.

reply to post by Black_Fox


israel is justified in its actions. the un is constantly against israel. let the un do something in syria where dictator assad is killing his own moslem women man and childrem. guess where they are running to -yes they are taking refuge in israel.

www.ynetnews.com...

where is the UN you dont here a peep from the cowards. go ahead

Originally posted by thebarbecuemaster
reply to post by Black_Fox

 

israel is justified in its actions. the un is constantly against israel. let the un do something in syria where dictator assad is killing his own moslem women man and childrem. guess where they are running to -yes they are taking refuge in israel.

www.ynetnews.com...

where is the UN you dont here a peep from the cowards. go ahead

Again...why do we care at all? Let them all fend for themselves.

reply to post by Black_Fox


Good for Israel,they have no business sticking their nose where it dosent belong.

Heyy you guys should not fight with the choosen people, you are not the choosen ones so will burn in.....
uhh
ermmm
hmmm
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On second thought, keep fighting!
You afraid of nothing when you have the truth on your side.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

meh nvm... It just dawned on me who you are.... You fail to hide your Idiosyncrasies, which is what exposed your other accounts that have been banned BiB.

edit on 29-3-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Sorry dude...never been banned. This is my first and only account. Admittedly, I'm not surprised that you have had conversations with others who have noticed that you are a bit schizophrenic in your thinking. Nice work evading the bi-polar nature of your political views though. I think if proved my point.

Israel/NATO/England all different faces of the very same beast persuing world domination while creating theatre for the rest of us. While we waste time and energy on piddly particulars, the are vying for position to attain their goals with the least amount of interference.

FOLLOW THE $$$!

Originally posted by Star128
Israel/NATO/England all different faces of the very same beast persuing world domination while creating theatre for the rest of us. While we waste time and energy on piddly particulars, the are vying for position to attain their goals with the least amount of interference.

FOLLOW THE $$$!

Exactly. It's ALL about energy in general and oil in particular.

The ultimate leash for mankind is the power lines coming into your house and the fuel line on the gas pump. Especially in America.

We stopped building houses that could be heated adequately by burning wood a hundred years ago, with the exception of a few rural properties. Likewise, the cheap fossil fuels of the 20th century made it more economically viable to build our cities all spread out rather than condense them and build upwards and more efficiently.

The end result is that for the majority of the country it's all but impossible to live without gasoline/diesel, natural gas, and utility provided electricity. The only other option is to live essentially as a hermit....even the damn Amish use power tools now.

The revolution starts by cutting our dependence not only on FOREIGN fossil fuels, but the utility and oil companies as a whole. Without a need for oil, the Middle East has very, very, little strategic value.

I would hope that we would do the same to that group of internationalist gangsters. Anybody want them here on our soil? Forget the Israel subject, and ask yourself that question first. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by Observ321


And they don't have any business sticking their nose in Irans business either.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Observ321

 

And they don't have any business sticking their nose in Irans business either.

Yeah, what are we thinking?? You're right, doing nothing and crossing our fingers that WW3 isn't started is much better than leveling 1 nation of stiff-necked Persians who refuse to comply with the IAEA.

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Keep using Wikipedia as your source.