Canada decriminalizes prostitution

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by LoneCloudHopper

 

That may be all true, but I still dont see any reason why make it illegal. Lots of things that are bad for you are legal.

The only justification for making something illegal should be that it directly harms or threatens third, unconsenting person. Voluntary prostitution, soft drug use, mere posession of child pornography, and similar things are all victimless "crimes" that directly harm no third person, and should not be illegal in themselves.

You are INSANE if you think that "mere possession of child pornography" doesn't directly harm another person.

What about, oh, I don't know, THE CHILD? Looking at child pornogrpahy a victimless crime? You're a very sick person.

Originally posted by babybunnies
Now you can get drunk...

Not quite. In Ontario the cops can pull you over and take your license away if you blow .05 Even though it's not illegal until you blow .08 Figure that one out. I have. Cash grab.

reply to post by LoneCloudHopper

In other words, people who would be living on the streets if they weren't 'working' them.

And yet you want to legally deprive them of this work. Do you enjoy putting people on the streets?

Prostitution may be usualy considered morally wrong. Yet ban on prostitution is morally even worse, and frankly it is none of your bussiness whether adults sell their body or not.

It's looked upon as a lowly profession for those from broken homes, very bad financial straits or otherwise lacking any self-respect.

In my country, there are various types of prostitutes. Low-end like you described, but also high-end prostitutes that do it not because of poverty, but because it is a job that simply pays very well per amount of work. Dont be quick to judge.

The laws were changed to protect women from hostile johns, not for the convenience for johns.

The Court of Appeal for Ontario has swept aside some of the country's anti-prostitution laws saying they place unconstitutional restrictions on prostitutes' ability to protect themselves.

www.montrealgazette.com...

It's not a done deal. Parliament will debate this over the next 12 months. Since Harper thinks it's evil and couldn't care less about the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms it will probably go to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court will then decide, based on the Charter of Rights, if women are safer working in a controlled environment with bodyguards or being out alone on the streets.

I for one will be glad not to have to read about serial murderers preying on hookers anymore, while cops drag their feet.

In Canada it is the same as well. Don't listen to what one guy says about the whole country please he is a moron lol.

I'm sure people have different opinions on the subject, but where I live it is widely accepted. Proper Escort services, sometimes it isn't even for sex, sometimes it is for companionship or other things.

The main point is even if I thought it was wrong, I don't have a right to force my values and morals on someone else.

I really dislike the christian faith (being brought up in it) for how immoral and left brained it is to certain subjects. Maybe we should make Christianity Illegal? LOL.

I swear sometimes its like people enjoy enslavement and beg for it.

Right now there is some guy downtown getting greased and a women is making money for it. Fact. How the hell should that bother me or anyone else unless it was on your front lawn or right out in public?

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by LoneCloudHopper

 

That may be all true, but I still dont see any reason why make it illegal. Lots of things that are bad for you are legal.

The only justification for making something illegal should be that it directly harms or threatens third, unconsenting person. Voluntary prostitution, soft drug use, mere posession of child pornography, and similar things are all victimless "crimes" that directly harm no third person, and should not be illegal in themselves.

You are INSANE if you think that "mere possession of child pornography" doesn't directly harm another person.

What about, oh, I don't know, THE CHILD? Looking at child pornogrpahy a victimless crime? You're a very sick person.

Who is harmed by simple posession of child pornography? Where is the objectively harmed victim? I am not talking about spreading or sharing it, but mere posession, for example having it on the hard drive.

Children are harmed during production of child pornography, and maybe when it is distributed, not by merely posessing the images. That should not be illegal, thats a victimless "crime", criminalised only due to subjective moral outrage similar to that with prostitution and drug use, and not objective harm.
Then absurd things like this happen:
www.theblaze.com...

This is totalitarianism.
Of course, people always turn off their logic and reasoning once children are mentioned. Its easy to justify dictatorship and restrictive laws, just claim you do it for the children and people agree with anything, even criminalisation of victimless things.

Making posession of CP pictures illegal is as absurd as making pictures of murder illegal, and not just actual murder.

girlfriends for hire, that's what I call them. The nice thing about girlfriends for hire, is when you are done, you are done...no questions asked...GREAT idea.

I used to Live in Las Vegas, and 40 miles west of the County, Clark County is Vegas and it's coupla suburbs...40 miles west is Pahrump. In Pahrump you can get your kicks for a price.

I find that it is intended for the "Experience of it" and also, some Men take their sons there when they turn 18 so they can lose their virginity.

Prostitution in NV is mostly tourism based, however sometimes as an earlier poster had said, "well what about folks who can't maintain a relationship?"

I agree with you there, not everyone gets born with the same cards, deformity, obesity, ugliness, shyness, Autism, Aspergers. What about the need to relieve one of the most difficult urges to control on the planet next to hunger? Even the Vulcans from Star Trek, have to Breed once every 7 years or go, raging GAGA. hehe

Anyways, Should prostitution be legal? If it prevents a crime, it's some of the best medicine on the planet. If it gives a man or a woman a job, and an out of hunger and homelessness why not?

Does it perpetuate a criminal culture? Who or what is a Criminal, the addict or the pusher?

Will you go to Hell? Well, I think that's between how you and your God know each other.

Originally posted by ANOK
I have no moral beef with prostitution, but I think it's a sad state of affairs that a woman has to sell her body in order to survive.

Another nasty symptom of capitalism.

....7.1 Prostitution, though not exclusively confined to women is a form of exploitation of women. Money is the main factor in women taking up this profession and is therefore a class issue. Prostitution is symptomatic of a hierarchical and sexist society. Prostitution will not end until capitalism does....

Towards Womens Freedom

edit on 3/27/2012 by ANOK because: it's a commie takeover Harry

That's a crock of bull, prostitution has always been apart of humanity and it always will whether capitalism goes or not.

Me with some money, living it up. Just found this news out now, and I just booked a 3 week vacation after selling all my possessions:

Originally posted by calnorak

That's a crock of bull, prostitution has always been apart of humanity and it always will whether capitalism goes or not.

Well this is not really about prostitution before capitalism.

We are talking about prostitution in this modern day age, and to deny the capitalist system is not the reason for the majority of women turning to prostitution you are either very naive, or in denial.

Or you simply misunderstand the term capitalism, and you fail to understand the myriad of social problems it has caused and causes.

“God help me get out of this life. Help me save a little money so I can get out of this life I have, and so I can be with my kids. Help me God. Please don’t leave me here in this life that I have.”

“I ask God to help me obtain a business and to help me change my life.”

“…that God would change my form of work and give me work in an institution and not have to prostitute my body anymore.”

“God, why are you taking so long?”

–anonymous prayers of Bolivian women who prostitute

theotherjournal.com...

About 70% of prostitutes are mothers, "mostly single mothers struggling to support families" (Street Sheet). Faced with difficult economic choices and "the evisceration of health, education and social services," (DisAbled Women's Network Ontario) women living in poverty may become entangled in the criminal justice system.

owjn.org...

Oh yes women love being prostitutes. I guess that is the fantasy you have to maintain in order to enjoy their services.

Originally posted by CALGARIAN
If you are allowed to sleep with people legally, watch porn legally, have sex on camera legally (with regulation) then why isn't one allowed to sell their own personal body for sex? (Especially in Europe where it is a taxed job) Also, women will do it regardless if times are tough, unfortunately.

Question. If one has sex with an escort while she is sleeping, is that sexual assault or shop lifting?

There are so many ethical and health dilemmas when it comes to captializing on sex services, after it becomes legal. Put a few politicians into any woman's vagina, and yes, life can become complicated for everybody involved. Including the children created from such affairs.

You missed half the workforce. Men would be for hire too.

I'm going to call you on your myth that women will resort to prostitution if times are tough. There are many women who never break the law when times are tough. I am one of them. I take it personally when someone inspects my past, finds a place where the time was tough for me, and assumes that I must have been a prostitute (or a drug dealer, or both) to get through that tough time. That is delusional thinking, and I get it all the time from uneducated people.

I can't imagine entering the workforce with zero work experience and no space at the fast food restaurant, so my best option is to join a brothel, turn off my emotional attachments to my body, and let strangers turn me into their lunch break, because it's legitimate money now. You need to know the entire sphere of sex work before you begin acting like it's no big deal.

I won't say no to giving sex workers their rights, and decriminalizing the profession for those who want it. If it's their life's calling, go ahead. It is not a go-to for anybody who just wants to make money. I wish they'd require a college degree and annual certification for it, it is that complicated.

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I believe in my heart it should be legal, thus less laws broken.

Im surprised.I thought Canada was a somewhat conservative country.Not progressive,lol.Im sick of my countries puritanical hypocrisy.

I'm sure the human traffic industry won't be taking advantage of this...

Although I don't agree with prostitution this is a very good idea. I feel this might do a similar thing to sex worker crime that legalising drugs would do.

At least now MP's will have to put the prostitutes down on their tax returns...

Originally posted by Maslo

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by LoneCloudHopper

 

That may be all true, but I still dont see any reason why make it illegal. Lots of things that are bad for you are legal.

The only justification for making something illegal should be that it directly harms or threatens third, unconsenting person. Voluntary prostitution, soft drug use, mere posession of child pornography, and similar things are all victimless "crimes" that directly harm no third person, and should not be illegal in themselves.

You are INSANE if you think that "mere possession of child pornography" doesn't directly harm another person.

What about, oh, I don't know, THE CHILD? Looking at child pornogrpahy a victimless crime? You're a very sick person.

Who is harmed by simple posession of child pornography? Where is the objectively harmed victim? I am not talking about spreading or sharing it, but mere posession, for example having it on the hard drive.

Children are harmed during production of child pornography, and maybe when it is distributed, not by merely posessing the images. That should not be illegal, thats a victimless "crime", criminalised only due to subjective moral outrage similar to that with prostitution and drug use, and not objective harm.
Then absurd things like this happen:
www.theblaze.com...

This is totalitarianism.
Of course, people always turn off their logic and reasoning once children are mentioned. Its easy to justify dictatorship and restrictive laws, just claim you do it for the children and people agree with anything, even criminalisation of victimless things.

Making posession of CP pictures illegal is as absurd as making pictures of murder illegal, and not just actual murder.

edit on 27/3/12 by Maslo because: (no reason given)

Let me get this straight..you think it is OK for someone to have child pornography on the computer. Is that an admission?

You think that these people who have it are not harming anyone..really? What about the children...who even after years of abuse still have to worry about those images being on the internet and being used for self gratification by perverts. These same perverts who may or may not see them on the street and approach them.

You don't care that the abuse of children took place on these videos and that it should be OK for others to enjoy watching their suffering?

You think these people are not committing a crime by watching a crime being committed and not saying anything to anyone which could help this poor child?

You think that these children are still not being tortured by knowing that there are images of their suffering out there still for others to take pleasure in their pain?

I ask again..are you saying it is OK because you have these items on your computer and don't think it is wrong because..."Hey I didn't do that to the kid...so let me enjoy it"

reply to post by kerazeesicko

Let me get this straight..you think it is OK for someone to have child pornography on the computer. Is that an admission?

In my opinion its not OK. But something being "not OK" is not a sufficient reason to make it outright illegal. Taking drugs, being drunk, or being a prostitute is also not OK, but it should not be illegal. Only acts that directly objectively harm or threaten another unconsenting person should be illegal. Producing and distributing CP fulfills this. Merely posessing it does not.

You think that these people who have it are not harming anyone..really? What about the children...who even after years of abuse still have to worry about those images being on the internet..

I am talking about simple posession, not distribution.

and being used for self gratification by perverts. These same perverts who may or may not see them on the street and approach them.

Privately fapping to CP in itself is a victimless act. There may be subjective moral outrage, but no objective harm.

You don't care that the abuse of children took place on these videos and that it should be OK for others to enjoy watching their suffering?

I would agree with criminalisation of CP images, if you agree with criminalisation of images of any other comparably serious criminal act, such as rape of an adult, murder or assault. Why it should be OK for others to enjoy watching their suffering?
The answer is, because merely watching others suffer on a video is a victimless act. Only directly causing the suffering is act with an actual victim.

You think these people are not committing a crime by watching a crime being committed and not saying anything to anyone which could help this poor child?

If they know where and how it was made, they should indeed notify the authorities. In any case, posessing such evidence should not be illegal.

You think that these children are still not being tortured by knowing that there are images of their suffering out there still for others to take pleasure in their pain?

By the same logic, lets criminalise the posession of all pictures and videos where someone suffers (is beaten, raped or killed) then. It might offend them.
Not to mention that such justification would work only on CP with real children. But why is sometimes also fictional or animated CP banned too? Because it is based on empty moral outrage.

I ask again..are you saying it is OK because you have these items on your computer and don't think it is wrong because..."Hey I didn't do that to the kid...so let me enjoy it"

LOL.. No I dont posess CP, I find it disgusting. But something being disgusting is not enough to make posession of it illegal by law. What is more disgusting is that in 21st century, we still criminalise victimless things.
But there is of course self interest - I dont want to be criminally prosecuted just because I accidentaly downloaded some CP (see the story posted above), and dont like that it is used as a justification to restrict internet freedoms.

The government is heading towrds getting their "Fair Share" or "living off the avails" as its known in the real world.
In the past in BC, if a hooker pays her taxes (sic), they usually don't have too much trouble in court.

“Right now, the way the laws stand, the women work for the pimps. The pimps don’t work for the women,” Bedford said. “If the laws are changed, then the men will work for the women. They will collect their pay cheque at the end of the week, if anything at all, and they will have to file their taxes. The only people who benefit from this law right now are tax evaders and organized crime.” - Plaintiff Terri-Jean Bedford

www.arbitragemagazine.com...

its all about Harper our long legged mak daddy pimpminister and his pals