A skeptical view

In my opinion I'd say it's highly unlikely, bordering on impossible that we are the only sentient life forms in this vast universe of ours! Are these unknown entities visiting this planet & in cohorts with the authorities? This is the 6 billion dollar question... Personally for me there's nothing that convinces me this is happening, so far! The FACT that no one has managed to put forward any REAL factual data in the past 70 years regarding this enigma proves to me there's nothing to find-- that's why this subject (after 70 years of study by allegedly highly intelligent individuals) is STILL in the 'strange phenomenon' category!?!?

I feel I'll never win a life changing amount of money on the lottery-- I hope I'm wrong. What a great thing to be wrong about! That's how I feel about this enigma!

I'm not here to be proved right as a skeptic--- I'm here to be proved wrong!!!! There's nothing I'd love more!! So please take this into consideration when conversing with me... I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks & peace to all. I just say it as I see it.... Nothing more.

dej...

No one here is going to be able to PROVE you wrong. I share a very similar viewpoint as you. I'm skeptic, but I believe there is a definite possibility.

There are several problems when asking for someone to prove you wrong. 1. The amount of people out there that refuse to open their minds to possible other life forms. They will immediately assume all evidence is a hoax. 2. If the government does have evidence, they obviously have no intention of sharing it. You can any person say "I've heard..." "I saw..." "My friend said.." Unfortunately, for people like me and you this is all hearsay. 3. There are so may people who have tried to fake evidence for their 15 mins of fame, it makes others weary to believe evidence that is solid.

I think the people who believe the most are either those who are gullible and ignorant or have a personal experience where they just do not have a reasonable explanation for. I have seen UFO's. I have never gotten answer for them, this doesn't mean I think it was aliens visiting. However, I do think there is some kind of other lifeform out there somewhere else in the universe. I like this post to show why I believe that
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Whether that lifeform is more intelligent and/or has visited us is more question I wonder.

Here is a good case.

en.wikipedia.org...

Please explain

Here is another multiple witness report. The saucer-shaped craft described responded to pursuit by a plane and then shot off at incredible speed. The object was out of sight in two or three seconds. Tell me please, what airplane belonging to an agency on this earth can go from hovering to several thousand miles per hour in the blink of an eye?

ETA: there are hundreds of reports such as these, I don't have time to list many but I'd be impressed if you could find an explanation for the two I listed above.

Originally posted by headorheart

There are several problems when asking for someone to prove you wrong.

It's not a problem for me!---I do not expect anyone to prove me wrong-- & in my opinion it's impossible to prove someone like my good self right! How can someone prove alien (or unknown life forms) are NOT visiting this planet for whatever reason!?!? To prove a negative is pretty much impossible when discussing a subject like this! So now what!?!?

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Skepticism is a healthy thing and many here could do with taking a more skeptical view especially when viewing youtube videos , but blind Skepticism is as bad as blind belief , just because we have no tangible evidence doesn't mean that there's no truth to ET visitation .

We only know the very basics in relation to space and FTL travel and I have no doubt that other species out there in the Galaxy know stuff that would make us look like cavemen in comparison .

Imagine showing someone from 100 years ago the tech we posses now , now imagine the tech a species 10.000 years ahead of us could posses , light years could be to them as miles are to us .

Keep your skeptical view but don't let it blind you to the possibility

Originally posted by thesearchfortruth
Here is another multiple witness report. The saucer-shaped craft described responded to pursuit by a plane and then shot off at incredible speed. The object was out of sight in two or three seconds. Tell me please, what airplane belonging to an agency on this earth can go from hovering to several thousand miles per hour in the blink of an eye?

ETA: there are hundreds of reports such as these, I don't have time to list many but I'd be impressed if you could find an explanation for the two I listed above.

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It's just a story!! You have no idea that what you're being told really happened!! You either choose to believe what you're told or you don't! Simple as that... What else can I say about it!?! Peace my friend.

dej...

Originally posted by dejarmaX
The FACT that no one has managed to put forward any REAL factual data in the past 70 years regarding this enigma proves to me there's nothing to find-- that's why this subject (after 70 years of study by allegedly highly intelligent individuals) is STILL in the 'strange phenomenon' category!?!?

Thanks to folks like Jacques Vallee, there have been completely factual studies produced, generally having to do with sightings reports and the data trends that can be found in them. We know, for instance, that more UFOs are seen on Wednesdays in October than any other time. That's a simple, researched fact. We basically have enough factual evidence to more or less prove that the phenomenon is at least real, which is a lot more than we had 70 years ago.

Unfortunately, the data we have doesn't point to any easy explanation. Even if we include the anecdotal evidence, the questionable photos, and abductions, we can pretty much all agree that something is happening, but we still don't know exactly what. We know it involves something at least partially real, and that there is apparently intelligence behind it. It's not naturally random.

But we don't know much more than that. Frustrating? I suppose a little. It depends on how bad you want an explanation, and why. It could very well be that we just don't have what it takes to understand it. That can be hard to accept, because we're the smartest creatures we know. But we might just be dumb like that. Too dumb to know just how dumb we are.

Originally posted by gortex
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Keep your skeptical view but don't let it blind you to the possibility

Where did I suggest I was blind to the possibility??? I thought I made it quite clear that I'm not!? You've confused me.... All due respect

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post by dejarmaX
Where did I suggest I was blind to the possibility??? I thought I made it quite clear that I'm not!?

Maybe this gave that impression

The FACT that no one has managed to put forward any REAL factual data in the past 70 years regarding this enigma proves to me there's nothing to find

There is factual data in the form of radar returns of objects exceeding speeds that we cant reach and doing maneuvers we can't do , no doubt there is more evidence but we are just not privy to it .

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'Just a story' that was apparently made up by an experienced pilot and 10 air traffic controllers.

It's incredible how in a court someones eye-witness testimony can send someone to the electric chair, but when they report a UFO sighting their testimony is no longer valid.

Some pilots get grounded (banned from flying) for simply reporting a UFO sighting. Check out the JAL 1628 UFO sighting. That 'story' resulted in the pilot of a cargo freighter getting his flying license taken. Would you make up a story if your job would be put at risk because of it?

Here are some more "just stories" involving physical traces left behind by the craft.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Thanks to folks like Jacques Vallee, there have been completely factual studies produced, generally having to do with sightings reports and the data trends that can be found in them.

Dr Jacques Vallee just believes what he's told, because it suits him!! He is one of the highly intelligent individuals I'm referring to who have managed to prove NOTHING at all!!! He writes books/ lectures/ is involved in TV docs/ DVD's etc etc... Personally that means nothing to me!! It means a lot to his like when looking at his bank balance! He's not stupid, is he!? No, of course not--- he's highly intelligent, is he not!?

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You said in your OP "I'm not here to be proved right as a skeptic--- I'm here to be proved wrong!!!!" I was simply saying the difficulty with proving one side over the other on this topic. I agree it is next to impossible to prove something isn't visiting us, but it is also next to impossible at this point in time to prove that something is. If someone has irrefutably evidence one way or the other there would be no believers, skeptics, and nonbelievers. There would just be fact and ignorance.

Originally posted by dejarmaX

Originally posted by Blue Shift
Thanks to folks like Jacques Vallee, there have been completely factual studies produced, generally having to do with sightings reports and the data trends that can be found in them.

Dr Jacques Vallee just believes what he's told, because it suits him!!

Do a little research before you continue to ignorantly wail about the lack of facts and evidence in the UFO field.

Vallee is primarily a computer scientist, and he was among the first to apply database analysis to UFO reports. He has his own beliefs, but mostly they are a result of actual scientific analysis that he's done. There are others who have also run the numbers. The facts are there. The data is there. It just doesn't offer a clear explanation.

Originally posted by thesearchfortruth


It's incredible how in a court someones eye-witness testimony can send someone to the electric chair, but when they report a UFO sighting their testimony is no longer valid.

Don't be so bloody ridiculous!!! What has a real life court case got to do with so called evidence/ data regarding this enigma!?!?! A real life court case is working with REAL data-- not just stories!!! Real data as in proof of a crime-- a body etc etc! Has anyone ever been convicted of a crime just because someone says so?? Give me a break mate!!! If you're going to converse with me then I'd suggest you turn to logic & common sense & don't try to baffle me with crap!! I'm sure you can do better! All due respect..

Peace.

dej...

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Ok, first of all, please calm down. Ending almost every sentence you have two or three exclamation points.

Second, my example was relevant to our discussion because you are claiming the sightings I have presented are just stories, and therefore not evidence or anything. The court example was to show how relevant eyewitness accounts are.

I don't really know what you're trying to say by calling the sighting I presented 'just a story'. Are you suggesting the 11 different witnesses were lying?

Also, you have not commented on the physical trace files I presented, the Tehran case, or the JAL 1628 case.
Were those too hard to debunk?

Originally posted by thesearchfortruth
Here is a good case.

en.wikipedia.org...

Please explain

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Intel psyop trying to benefit from the UFO phenom. Do the exercise then sell it as a UFO event, and then use the exercise to show other world powers that you have extreme capabilities and as such should not be messed with.

And then try to sell them some weapons.


But Bentwaters? Check out 52 minutes in...
this is the best interview of the Bentwaters men on the scene, physically touching the craft itself.
How could you mistake that for a lighthouse, if you are touching it with your hands?

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use the exercise to show other world powers that you have extreme capabilities

If the US, Russia, or any other country had a craft that could go from hovering to incredible speed in the blink of an eye, literally fly circles around enemy planes traveling at the speed of sound, and shut down all weapons systems and communications systems of enemy jets at will, why wouldn't that agency have used such a craft all the wars we've had since then?

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Do a little research before you continue to ignorantly wail about the lack of facts and evidence in the UFO field.

Vallee is primarily a computer scientist, and he was among the first to apply database analysis to UFO reports. .

So after 40+ years of studying this enigma I'm ignorant, am I?? Yeah nice. Vallee has proved what? Nothing imo!! Same as all the others that many seem to class as all knowing

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So after 40+ years of studying this enigma I'm ignorant

Well, if you don't know about the thousands of credible eyewitness reports (pilots, police, military personnel, scientists), radar visual UFO sightings, physical trace cases, and video and photographic evidence cases...well...um...pretty much.

If you do know about all this evidence and simply dismiss it as 'just a story', then I have nothing more to say to you as you are obviously not willing to accept any evidence we present. You don't have to believe these people. You don't have to see their photos and physical evidence. You don't have to review radar records of UFOs. No one is forcing you to do that. But you can't refuse to look at the evidence while claiming there is none.