Racism is mostly a farce

reply to post by WhatAreThey


Racism is just pure ignorance.

i know redneck black people...
and black trailor trash. it goes
both ways in a never ending cycle
of race baiting. in america we got
3 main cultures white culture, black culture, spanish culture.
thats the only difference and each have good and bad things about them.
lets stop this race baiting

Originally posted by NoSmarts
reply to post by WhatAreThey

 

Racism is just pure ignorance.

I couldn't agree more...

Racist people usually know very little about the world.

reply to post by WhatAreThey


"Culturalist" if you wish to use this term relates to culture, or more specifically: :
one that emphasizes the importance of culture in determining behaviour
a specialist in the study of culture; specif : a cultural anthropologist

Racism is not a farce and to even think it is is bereft of any kind of intelligence.

T

reply to post by WhatAreThey


There are many who seem to envision their own world as a "bubble of both rightness and correctness"...

Beyond the arbitrarily-set boundaries of this "bubble" are those who are different; whose cultural environment seems almost alien and, perhaps, even inferior to what those "bubbly folks" seem to have determined as being superior - that superiority being reflected solely by their own world or those worlds to which those bubbly folks aspire.

To state what is, to me, the obvious, the very real and enduring strength of the United States cultural environment is the result of an ever-changing "homogenous" populace. Countless imaginations, boundless creativity and collective desire to strive for a better future for all are the primary attributes which seem to reward this nation with bounty enough to not only sustain its growth, but to also aid millions around this globe with food, clothing, provide educational opportunity and just plain old good relations. Not a whole lot wrong with this as I see it.

Instead of fearing that which you do not understand (except in the most superficial and stereotypical terms), perhaps simply acknowledging this diversity would be a healthy "first step" in your journey out of "smallness"...

Mindpeace

LMAO. Everyone here sounds like a little suburb yuppie whining about equality. Do you really think the people you defend care about you or respect you at all? Well let me break it to you: THEY DON'T. I've worked in public services for some time and let me tell you - the 'stereotype' that OP described is accurate without a doubt. EVERYONE should stop pretending things aren't the way they are. I believe racists are ignorant, hatred of anything is bad - but refusing to accept that some cultures have serious issues (i.e. blacks in the ghetto) then you to are being ignorant as well. Who here has been mugged? Carjacked? Had something stolen from them? All three have happened to me - and it was from the same people I try to help every single day.

I've had enough of cushy liberals seeing a tear-jerker movie about slavery then going on some ignorant stint about acceptance and equality. Ok, im ranting to much. That's all I have to say here.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
i know redneck black people...
and black trailor trash. it goes
both ways in a never ending cycle
of race baiting. in america we got
3 main cultures white culture, black culture, spanish culture.
thats the only difference and each have good and bad things about them.
lets stop this race baiting

You know you write a perfectly sensable post that speaks about tolerance, yet have a avatar that is an automatic divider and borderline trollish. If you meant what you said why antagonize with such a pic that will cause backlash?

I tend to agree with the OP. I do not like the urban culture. If that makes me racist, so be it. On a side note, most people would consider me a redneck. I own and drive two El Caminos. I live in a trailer out in the country. I wear boots, jeans, and a Jack Daniels belt buckle. I listen to country music. I work at an auto repair shop. I speak with a twang. I say 'Y'all". The list goes on, HOWEVER, I am highly educated, considerate, and well-spoken. I will concede that there are always exceptions to the rules, but stereotypes exist for a reason and I've been judged and understand why it happens.

The difference with me is I don't care what others think of me. Take me as I am, or get lost.

seems like everyone is dodging the race bullet. but thats impossible, you can only sweep it under the rug for so long eventually there is no more room under there because there is now a mountain of bs under the rug and to the op who made you king of the world. If someone anyone wants to wear "pants on the ground", "grills" "hoodies" etc in the hip hop style who are you to judge ? what makes you so superior that you are above the herd? sorry to burst your intellectual bubble your not. I used to be like you thinking myself better than others due to the knowledge I possess. but then i awoke to the reality were all on this prison planet together no one more special than another. you know it's attitudes like yours that create the george zimmermans of the world "judge first by appearances alone"
you are like shallow hal blind to the true beauty around you because of your pre-concieved notions of what is acceptable. this is bs with a capital B. were all racists we all judge based on appearance the true enlightened human realizes he is racist accepts this then tries to overcome it

Originally posted by 59demon
I tend to agree with the OP. I do not like the urban culture. If that makes me racist, so be it. On a side note, most people would consider me a redneck. I own and drive two El Caminos. I live in a trailer out in the country. I wear boots, jeans, and a Jack Daniels belt buckle. I listen to country music. I work at an auto repair shop. I speak with a twang. I say 'Y'all". The list goes on, HOWEVER, I am highly educated, considerate, and well-spoken. I will concede that there are always exceptions to the rules, but stereotypes exist for a reason and I've been judged and understand why it happens.

The difference with me is I don't care what others think of me. Take me as I am, or get lost.

You see what burns me is that people will sterotype you for all the reasons that you mention because a good % of people that share your culture give it a bad name. This obviously annoys you. But you cannot see the shoe on the other foot, there are many people in the hip hop culture (enough with the urbanized code words lets call it for what it is) that do not represent the larger % in that culture and are educated and such, but they dress a certain way and listen to certain music. Can we not all see that both trailer trash culture and the Hip hop ghetto culture are parallel to each other being that the majority give it a bad rep (well deserved most of the time), BUT that we cannot apply it to all in the culture because there are people that are exceptions to the rule like yourself?

This thread is a prime example of how no one is ever satisfied with the world or the people around them.

This is why we invented cloning.

reply to post by Mindpeace

To state what is, to me, the obvious, the very real and enduring strength of the United States "cultural environment" is the result of an ever-changing "homogenous" populace. Countless imaginations, boundless creativity and collective desire to strive for a better future for all are the adhesives which seem to reward this nation with bounty enough to not only sustain its growth, but to also aid millions around this globe with food, clothing, provide educational opportunity and just plain old good relations. Not a whole lot wrong with this as I see it.

Instead of fearing that which you do not understand (except in the most superficial and stereotypical terms), perhaps simply acknowledging this diversity would be a healthy "first step" in your journey out of "smallness"...

I think history will judge otherwise, it's seems naive to be talking in terms of 'enduring strength' for a nation thats only around a couple of hundred years old, or political developments only ongoing for around 50 years.

The nation had at it's disposal the availibility vast untapped natural resources, exploited by cheap imported labour, to build a huge economic infrastructure and trading networks creating enormous wealth over a relatively short period..but that's all in decline.

Creativity achievement are down to personal opinion, personally i'd say the United States has created nothing of lasting worth, study ancient Greece for example if you want to see real cultural achievement, and not commericaly driven hype.

The United States has employed free trade to it's own advantage,mid 19th century Japan still had a policy of non-interaction with the West, the US used gunboat diplomacy threats to insist on trade and cultural establishment, thus they developed the Western industrialized model, and most efficiently to the extent they required furthur natural resources leading to attempted expansionism, normal relations requiring 2xA bomb before being resumed.


Any objective analysis should inform you that there is far far less actual diversity seen in human cultures than say a century ago, that indigenous ethnic groups have been assimilated and eradicated around the globe, their former lands linked into the globalists economy, you seem to see this as the journey out of smallness into the wonderland of the American Pan-global product range...my advise, invest in a fiddle.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

Originally posted by 59demon
I tend to agree with the OP. I do not like the urban culture. If that makes me racist, so be it. On a side note, most people would consider me a redneck. I own and drive two El Caminos. I live in a trailer out in the country. I wear boots, jeans, and a Jack Daniels belt buckle. I listen to country music. I work at an auto repair shop. I speak with a twang. I say 'Y'all". The list goes on, HOWEVER, I am highly educated, considerate, and well-spoken. I will concede that there are always exceptions to the rules, but stereotypes exist for a reason and I've been judged and understand why it happens.

The difference with me is I don't care what others think of me. Take me as I am, or get lost.

You see what burns me is that people will sterotype you for all the reasons that you mention because a good % of people that share your culture give it a bad name. This obviously annoys you. But you cannot see the shoe on the other foot, there are many people in the hip hop culture (enough with the urbanized code words lets call it for what it is) that do not represent the larger % in that culture and are educated and such, but they dress a certain way and listen to certain music. Can we not all see that both trailer trash culture and the Hip hop ghetto culture are parallel to each other being that the majority give it a bad rep (well deserved most of the time), BUT that we cannot apply it to all in the culture because there are people that are exceptions to the rule like yourself?

You misunderstood me. I suppose I should have made it clear that I don't like the 'stereotypical' redneck either. I simply don't like stupidity and ignorance. While I dress, and speak one way, my actions are not typical.

It's funny how white america always forgets the sins it commits against people of color, and when people of color call them out on it they say it is all an delusion. Now you replace rascist with culturalist, but if you prejudge someone before you have even spoken with them or lived the life that they had to leave you are a bigot no matter how you try to explain it away.

I dont like preppies with there button up shirts and penny loafers, using words they can not spell nor understand just to sound smart, botox to try to look young, tanning beds because they hate their skin tone, they have kids in which they told spend time with and flood them with material things to compensate there not spending enough time with them who later kills them or goes on a shooting spree at a local school or political event. We don't like the culture walking around being judge because someone TV commits a crime whos is the same color as me.We don't like the culture of highly disproportionate jail sentence between races for the same crime, loans from banks with the same credit score, jobs with the same amount of education and experiance. We don't like the general disrespect and selfishness the major culture has. We don't like the lack of compassion or the attitude of superiority. We don't like the culture of we are perfect and haven't done anything wrong, the past is past even thoigh it is still occuring but in different ways. We don't like the culture creating welfare while you go out and make tons of money selling drugs to our communities so you no longer have to kill us but we self implode.

reply to post by WhatAreThey


For me, I have to agree that a vast majority of people are not racist.
That being said, I do have concerns about entitlements given to any specific ethnic group just because of a color.

If I had a NAWP (National association of white people) group that helped white people only for things such as loans etc wouldn't it be fair since there is a NAACP? I think so.

Affirmative action is also a joke. Do you realize that this nation requires employers to pass over more qualified applicants if a minority applies but scores lower on an entrance exam?

Being told day after day by the media that even after 200 years white people still owe black people something because of slavery just fuels the fire.

Here's my idea. No more entitlements, no more affirmative action, no color specific organizations. Just people who regardless of skin color are treated equally period.

Originally posted by LiberLegit
LMAO. Everyone here sounds like a little suburb yuppie whining about equality. Do you really think the people you defend care about you or respect you at all? Well let me break it to you: THEY DON'T. I've worked in public services for some time and let me tell you - the 'stereotype' that OP described is accurate without a doubt. EVERYONE should stop pretending things aren't the way they are. I believe racists are ignorant, hatred of anything is bad - but refusing to accept that some cultures have serious issues (i.e. blacks in the ghetto) then you to are being ignorant as well. Who here has been mugged? Carjacked? Had something stolen from them? All three have happened to me - and it was from the same people I try to help every single day.

I've had enough of cushy liberals seeing a tear-jerker movie about slavery then going on some ignorant stint about acceptance and equality. Ok, im ranting to much. That's all I have to say here.

edit on 27-3-2012 by LiberLegit because: (no reason given)

Oh dear me. You worked in public services? I sure hope you got fired for that racist stereotype of yours: Blacks in the ghetto.

So because of their skin colour and where they live they are criminals? You see the problem isn't cultural per se, it is about people stereotyping and hating.

I fully agree there are parts of our society which aren't that pleasant, but it is not because there are a large number of whites with hoodies who drive cars with bodykits and are criminals that ALL of them are criminals, irrespective of their clothing or skin colour.

You state racists are ignorant, but show the very same signs of ignorance and racist traits.

I pity you and all the other plebeians who are being suckered into a hate filled society. You are manipulated into being afraid so you spend more, sheeple the lot of you.

And "golf clap" to another hate filled or hate inspiring post on ATS, this site really does attract the dregs of society to come out spouting their venom.

T

reply to post by WhatAreThey


I come in contact with racism on an almost daily basis at my job. I work at a convenient store in a predominantly white residential area. Hardly a night goes by where I don't here some customer using the N word. One customer even took the time to complain to me about Obama and about how "this is what you get when you make an N-word President, he then proceeded to continue griping about gas prices as if gas prices were entirely under the President's power".

From what I've seen both where I work now and where I used to live (in the inner city, with the so-called thugs and gangstas) Racism is far more PREVALENT than most people think it is. And this is in Pennsylvania, supposedly part of the North.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by WhatAreThey

 

I come in contact with racism on an almost daily basis at my job. I work at a convenient store in a predominantly white residential area. Hardly a night goes by where I don't here some customer using the N word. One customer even took the time to complain to me about Obama and about how "this is what you get when you make an N-word President, he then proceeded to continue griping about gas prices as if gas prices were entirely under the President's power".

From what I've seen both where I work now and where I used to live (in the inner city, with the so-called thugs and gangstas) Racism is far more PREVALENT than most people think it is. And this is in Pennsylvania, supposedly part of the North.

In my eyes, racism is simply a tool enabling people to gripe about one another, rather than the policies governing their lives.

It takes attention off of the government. Also, it releases stress, so people are less likely to turn rebellious and overthrow the system.

This is just one of the minor aspects of racism. The rest of it is purely natural...you know, territorial and such. We successfully conquered this land from Native Americans, and the Africans were never in this land originally, so we view it as entirely white-man's land now. Hence, territorially, every person who is not white and English-speaking is an outsider, and a step below us.

I'm not saying it's moral; I'm saying it's natural. You'll see it in wolf packs too.

Personally, I don't judge a man by his clothes, so to speak.

I get to know each person I meet, decide whether they are a good person or not and then either be their friend or not.

My decision has nothing to do with stereotypes, how they dress, look, talk, or even the color of their skin. A good person is a good person, regardless of what pop culture fad they may be into....

A good person is not good because of the way they look or are stereotyped to act like. A good person is good because they are nice, friendly and caring. They have a good heart. That's what matters....

It's time we quit worrying about what's on the outside....Look on the inside...You are missing out on many great friends, otherwise.

Peace and love!

reply to post by 59demon


My apologies if I misunderstood you. Something very nefarious is happening right now from MSM, they are pushing this really hard and I am now beginning to realize that there is more to this story. Sterotyping leading to violence is a sad thing, but I think this is more about divide and conquer tactics than any "real story" angle or "real justice". I work with primarily black employees and they are angry and I don't blame them considering how the media is blowing this up (with questionable journalism). The sad thing is that this has become a massive witch hunt, and though the individual involved has no one to blame but himself, I am not so sure that the events happened the way the media is painting it as.

I have been very vocal against the type of mentality that has become common practice in the hip hop community (not to be confused with the black community). I grew up in urban poor environments listening to hip hop and have seen first hand how it has changed the mentality of the youth. It's a destructive mentality and until people of color (myself included) address that, events like this will continue.

This is a double approach, one coming from people of color realizing what they follow, and one from the white community realizing the type of discrimination and racism directed at people of color. Both sides need to take responsibility and acknowledge their own hand in this divide.